Second hand unit sales.

**Freef** · 8th October 2007, 21:28

Would you sell a second hand unit to someone who wasn't qualified or under training?

**Dsix36** · 8th October 2007, 22:17

NO WAY,

forget about the possible liability, what about living with myself.
When I sold my Dolphin it was shipped to the instructor (and yes, I verified the instructor)

I did the same with my cochran lifeguard computer and my uwatec air02/ oxy2 setup.

The guy that I originally purchased the Dolphin from didn't give a damn about any of it though. I didn't get trained until after the purchase (not brave enough to learn with instruction

RAL · 8th October 2007, 23:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by Freef)

Would you sell a second hand unit to someone who wasn't qualified or under training?

Define qualified

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RAL

**Gill Envy** · 8th October 2007, 23:49

I don't know why it would be that different than selling some other complex piece of machinery...training is imperative, that should be understood and it should be up to the buyer to get it.

I make it very clear to anyone inquiring that they should not even get on the loop above water without beginning formal instruction. with the one that I have sold I had the buyer sign a very explicite waiver that pretty much spelled it all out.

Anyone attempting to dive a rebreather without instruction is playing with fate. Home builders are in another league perhaps, but in this day and age with quality instruction readily available, there's just no good reason to take part in such an unforgiving learning curve on a comercially available unit on your own.

IMHO

mempilot · 8th October 2007, 23:52

Yes. The price: $100 Brazilian dollars. Priceless.

diverreb · 9th October 2007, 01:38

In the case of an O2ptima, yes I'd sell it, but with the codes wiped out. Then it's basically unusable. Handset codes would be provided once proof of certification is provided or I'd turn the codes over to a qualified instructor, who is training the individual. I'd also copy all the release Docs and have the individual sign off before the sale. Other than that, no way.

Richie

JCdesign97 · 9th October 2007, 01:50

I would ask the requisite, cursory questions just to make sure that the prospective buyer knew the general knowledge; as opposed to some clueless rich kid trying to be cool with daddy's money, for example. But beyond that, I have to agree with Gill - what is the difference between selling someone a second hand car or anything else with the potential to do grevious bodily harm or kill someone? We seem to love using the car analogy here on Rebreather World

, so those of us who have sold a car used ... did you make the buyer provide you with a copy of his or her license or other proof of experience?

I personally have owned and then sold second hand three motorcycles (one Yamaha FZR and two Honda CBRs) and I know for a fact that one was wadded by the owner less than a month after he bought it. Now I don't want to sound cavalier or callous because I definitely don't wish anyone any harm; but I didn't lose one wink of sleep or feel badly for a second that he ate it ... his decision, his assessment of his own skills, his risk, his mistake. If I hadn't sold my bike to him, someone else would have.

Same goes for a Rebreather - I'd ask the basic questions, get the baseline comfort level that they know what they're getting into and then enjoy ... try not to get yourself dead. I somehow managed not to for a while now and I'm only a few chocolates ahead of Forest Gump ...

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And DAMN Richie - quit beating me to the punch with these posts ... and making me look bad!

Ben Field · 9th October 2007, 08:48

What might be interesting is a "Would/Did you Buy a second hand rebreather" if you are Qualified/not qualified Poll?

finbar.taylor · 9th October 2007, 10:42

I would warn the person of the dangers and after that it's their responcibility.

would you ask to see a driving licence if you sold your car?

With a car they could kill more then just them selves.

diverreb · 9th October 2007, 12:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by JCdesign97)

<snip>

And DAMN Richie - quit beating me to the punch with these posts ... and making me look bad!

The problem is you have this thing called a "job" that interferes with the timing of your responses as well as your ability to dive during the week with us!

Richie

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8th October 2007, 21:28	#1 (permalink)
Freef Custom Title Disallowed! Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Land of the Freef, UK. Posts: 1,356	Second hand unit sales. Would you sell a second hand unit to someone who wasn't qualified or under training? __________________ David. Currently owner of two differently sized ankles.
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8th October 2007, 22:17	#2 (permalink)
Dsix36 Going Down? Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Deerfield Beach, Florida Posts: 959	Re: Second hand unit sales. NO WAY, forget about the possible liability, what about living with myself. When I sold my Dolphin it was shipped to the instructor (and yes, I verified the instructor) I did the same with my cochran lifeguard computer and my uwatec air02/ oxy2 setup. The guy that I originally purchased the Dolphin from didn't give a damn about any of it though. I didn't get trained until after the purchase (not brave enough to learn with instruction __________________ THE MORE THAT I LEARN, THE MORE THAT I STILL NEED TO LEARN!!!!!!
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8th October 2007, 23:20	#3 (permalink)
RAL Longbottom Time Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Florida Posts: 386	Re: Second hand unit sales. Quote: (Originally Posted by Freef) Would you sell a second hand unit to someone who wasn't qualified or under training? Define qualified. RAL __________________ The sea does not care about you.
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8th October 2007, 23:49	#4 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Diver Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,302	Re: Second hand unit sales. I don't know why it would be that different than selling some other complex piece of machinery...training is imperative, that should be understood and it should be up to the buyer to get it. I make it very clear to anyone inquiring that they should not even get on the loop above water without beginning formal instruction. with the one that I have sold I had the buyer sign a very explicite waiver that pretty much spelled it all out. Anyone attempting to dive a rebreather without instruction is playing with fate. Home builders are in another league perhaps, but in this day and age with quality instruction readily available, there's just no good reason to take part in such an unforgiving learning curve on a comercially available unit on your own. IMHO __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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8th October 2007, 23:52	#5 (permalink)
mempilot What is this..terrafirma? Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,269	Re: Second hand unit sales. Yes. The price: $100 Brazilian dollars. Priceless. __________________ MEM "Da Pilot" Black holes are where God divided by zero. "If at first you don't succeed, don't dive silent." "Would you mind not shooting at the thermo-nuclear weapons." ~ Vic Deakins "Donkey's kill more people annually than plane crashes."
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9th October 2007, 01:38	#6 (permalink)
diverreb DE/MD/NJ Wreck Diver Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dover, DE Posts: 556	Re: Second hand unit sales. In the case of an O2ptima, yes I'd sell it, but with the codes wiped out. Then it's basically unusable. Handset codes would be provided once proof of certification is provided or I'd turn the codes over to a qualified instructor, who is training the individual. I'd also copy all the release Docs and have the individual sign off before the sale. Other than that, no way. Richie
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9th October 2007, 01:50	#7 (permalink)
JCdesign97 My unit can beat up yours Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: PA, USA Posts: 362	Re: Second hand unit sales. I would ask the requisite, cursory questions just to make sure that the prospective buyer knew the general knowledge; as opposed to some clueless rich kid trying to be cool with daddy's money, for example. But beyond that, I have to agree with Gill - what is the difference between selling someone a second hand car or anything else with the potential to do grevious bodily harm or kill someone? We seem to love using the car analogy here on Rebreather World , so those of us who have sold a car used ... did you make the buyer provide you with a copy of his or her license or other proof of experience? I personally have owned and then sold second hand three motorcycles (one Yamaha FZR and two Honda CBRs) and I know for a fact that one was wadded by the owner less than a month after he bought it. Now I don't want to sound cavalier or callous because I definitely don't wish anyone any harm; but I didn't lose one wink of sleep or feel badly for a second that he ate it ... his decision, his assessment of his own skills, his risk, his mistake. If I hadn't sold my bike to him, someone else would have. Same goes for a Rebreather - I'd ask the basic questions, get the baseline comfort level that they know what they're getting into and then enjoy ... try not to get yourself dead. I somehow managed not to for a while now and I'm only a few chocolates ahead of Forest Gump ... ------------------- And DAMN Richie - quit beating me to the punch with these posts ... and making me look bad! __________________ Cheers, John Last edited by JCdesign97 : 9th October 2007 at 01:53. Reason: Richie hate me :)
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9th October 2007, 08:48	#8 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,554	Re: Second hand unit sales. What might be interesting is a "Would/Did you Buy a second hand rebreather" if you are Qualified/not qualified Poll? __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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9th October 2007, 10:42	#9 (permalink)
finbar.taylor Rebreather World Writer Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK, SE Posts: 101	Re: Second hand unit sales. I would warn the person of the dangers and after that it's their responcibility. would you ask to see a driving licence if you sold your car? With a car they could kill more then just them selves.
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9th October 2007, 12:36	#10 (permalink)
diverreb DE/MD/NJ Wreck Diver Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dover, DE Posts: 556	Re: Second hand unit sales. Quote: (Originally Posted by JCdesign97) <snip> And DAMN Richie - quit beating me to the punch with these posts ... and making me look bad! The problem is you have this thing called a "job" that interferes with the timing of your responses as well as your ability to dive during the week with us! Richie
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