Comprehensive list of all accidents

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Update attached, with the odd correction and a duplicate removed.

Alex

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sunnyboy

I suggest you should examine the ice diving incidents more carefully. "... on a rope" is usually the way they teach recreational ice diving (with safety divers and surface support teams, I might add).

Technical ice diving more frequently resembles cave diving, with reels and lines and buddy teams. Certainly that's the way we did it.

The bigger problem with ice diving on an Rebreather is the way the unit is handled pre-dive. If you let the scrubber freeze, you are pooched before you begin.

Cheers,

-S

UWSojourner

Alex, when is your accident analysis likely to be available? (At least I thought that was the plan ... provide an accident analysis not just a list?)

And I'll continue to request that you provide your best estimate of units in service. If you want to use the data to understand or conclude anything more than "Rebreather divers have died", then you need it. Actually, you need the accident analysis as well, but first things first.

Drmike

please?

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Cave diving is a sport
Wreck diving is a sport
Diving in general is a sport

'Rebreather diving' is not a sport
its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment

UWSojourner

thank you?

Drmike

your welcome

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Cave diving is a sport
Wreck diving is a sport
Diving in general is a sport

'Rebreather diving' is not a sport
its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment

AD_ward9

The list is just the first step. The plan is to provide a document with all the facts relating to each accident, with an analysis using a structured process: FMECA comparison, formal modelling where appropriate, expert review.

There is a huge amount of work in doing this. It will take 6 to 9 months, as there are 120 accidents on the list as of this morning, of which we can get useful information on about half.

When we finish off adding the age, experience and location, we will then go through checking the column where where accidents are broken down into Human Error, Equipment Failure, Marine Life, Underlying Illness. We can fill about half the chart now. We would like to do that over the next couple of weeks. This will be the preliminary cut, and many may well change through the formal review processes. Having our best cut out published even though at an individual accident level it cannot be relied upon, is better than having no information or the very poor reports that are on some boards.

Again there are only so many hours in a day, and getting decent plastic mouldings for equipment that should be at DEMA is taking a lot of mine right now ..

Alex

Demosthenes

Hey Mr D - so have you told the members of this fine institution you are gathering all this data to support your position as an expert witness against those evil manufacturers! I wonder how happy the owners and members will be when they discover that you are going to stand up in court and say Rebreather World has proved that the evil manufacturers kill people. I bet Martin Parker wishes he had accepted your offer for you to design his new software and handsets now so you would not be fired up to bring him down now huh Mr D!

AD_ward9

Pardon?

The list will be of very little, if any, use to lawyers.

Tell me, how can a lawyer use this information?

A lawyer focuses on a specific case, and has available a huge amount of data: police witness statements, detailed examination reports, profiles, opportunity to examine the equipment, raw autopsy reports, expert witness reports, etc. That information forms his evidence. The manufacturer has access to the same. Neither party is going to contaminate that with some list from a web site that has only a tiny fraction of that information available to it.

Martin Parker has segmented his company so I would be astonished if any legal issues had a major impact on his operations.

Why is there always a paranoid reaction from a certain camp whenever one tries to do anything to improve rebreather safety?

Lets get back to ensuring this list is as complete and accurate as possible. No new information is going to change materially the Inspo picture. It is the SCRs we need to capture now.

I have had a look over your other posts. Has all the hallmarks of things that may keep the mods busy in the future.


Alex

Ben Field

Hey, Mr Hide-behind-a name Demosthenes- I'm pretty sure most people here who debate with Alex know who he is and what he is doing, we're well aware of his axe and how he chooses to grind it, even his past history of commercial and diving projects.

Fact is for the time being he is making up the list that others shy away from, that does have some benefits for us too, its the old give and take thing.

If he takes too much I'm sure the mods will jump all over him, like they might do to you for having a pop at him from behind a stage name. No offence but if you are going to rip into someone do it in person, just my opinion

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