Australian Incident

bendomatic

no problems with those specific questions but they could warrant their own thread in the MEG forums, rather than here.
rachel

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Steve

Rob was on APECS 1. Fred's software version escapes me but it pre dates the quite old 'J' issue. The J issue is quite old as well and that is well explained in the archives on this site.

What silence about Fred's death? Answers were given as soon as they were known. I know this because I gave them. You know this because you responded to me. I'll happily dig out the many threads that this occured in if you are having trouble remembering.

A question for you Baz; as others have alluded to, why do you only ask about Meg issues? Not a peep out of you regarding the significantly greater number of inspo incudents that go unexplained. I know you get a kick out of causing trouble and poking fun at people but this is a friendly site that can well do without trolling and baiting.

Here is a scoop for you; now I don't know this because I wasn't there but Rob may not know why he had an O2 hit and may never know. It wouldn't be the first or last time that this has occured.

If you really were concerened about Rob you could always give him a call

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Bazza

Why does it always have to develop into a sh*t fight with you Steve ???

The Fred Evens death has not been seriously explained yet. You posted that his unit had a problem with all three cells being current limited.What gives you the authority or the hide to think that because you make such a comment/statements and then expect the world to except your version of events and not question them?

Your comment on Fred's unit is not so very strange when you think about it, problems with all three cells could be expected given the time lag from when the accident occurred and when the unit finally made it back to Australia to be looked at. Did ISC look at the unit ??? Did the WA Police look at it? What was detailed in the Thai police report ?? Apart from your words of wisdom we have nothing.

I don't comment on incidents unless I have solid, sound input. What accidents on units that I have been involved with I have been open about and my comments are always based on facts. The number of incidents on APD units is covered soundly by those that have the facts , I don't so I can't comment. I can though ask questions about incidents that I don't fully understand. Given I have more experience in APD units and Meg's are a grey area for me I naturally ask questions about such incidents and expect so called experts to provide them instead of stone walling.

I am not concerned in Rob's well fare at all, he was lucky and thankfully he survived, what I am interested in is what went wrong and why. This could have had a major impact on my business and any other Australian Rebreather retailer, the Qld market is tough as it is and more deaths on units, especially in that state will have huge implications to the rest of the Australian market. Anything that can be used to head off more official rules and regulations is a plus for all of us. If Rob can then he should detail the problem so that all can learn from his incident.

Did Rob report this back to the Meg boys ??? If so what is there views on the incident ??

regards Baz

bendomatic

Therein lies the crux of the problem bazza.

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Steve

Probably because I, like others, are sick and tired of you causing trouble for your own ammusment. It is old and tired.

On that note, I can't be bothered typing answers to your questions. They have all been answered before. If you dont remember, read the old threads. If you can't understand, then ask for clarification. I'm more than happy to answer serious, well reasoned questions on Fred's unit and what happened there but that is probably better placed in a new thread than in this one.

To bring this back on topic; Rob will either post what he knows or he won't. He will either know what happened of he won't. I for one have enough respect for him to do what he feels is best. His call and I'll think no less of him no matter what he decides or has decided to do. I'm sure he hasn't forgotten the incident and continually pokeing him clearly isn't making him post so it is probably prudent to stop that as it just isn't getting those of you who have done this what you want. Just a thought...

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GuyW

Whereas you believe that everyone likes and supports your grandstanding ?

The way to defuse these type of arguments is to assume that people are not bating you all the time and answer simply and objectively, or not at all.

The old righteous cloak of silence is fine and noble, but unfortunately we need to more effectively counter the negative spin that gets put on these events. A clear and united position from the rebreather community would be far more helpful.

Guy

Rickoz

It's been some time now.
i'm guessing Rob does not know & will never know for sure.
Knowing Rob he would have said/posted something by now.
Unless some has stuffed a rag in his mouth & locked him up in a small room.
Coz i haven't seen or heard from the little bugger myself.
Rickoz

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Drmike

As has already been reported Craig Challen checked the unit both at the time of the incident and later. His findings were shared with his (and Freds) dive buddy 'Steve' and have been reported here. One cell was found dead at the time of incident other 2 cells looked ok on surface but Craig wasnt able (christ Im sure he was in no mental state) to jump back in with them to check degree of limitation - All the cells were very old (few years old) Theres plenty of evidence to point to current limitation being the culprit - theres none that suggests it has anything to do with the Meg injection rate.

Craig has done subsequent dives on Freds old unit (unchanged other than new cells) to try to discover why his friend died and has found no faults

Craig was Freds friend, is certainly no fool, like Fred doesnt tolerate them much and like Fred (still) dives a Meg - I suggest if you really do have a genuine interest in understanding what hapened the best way is to contact your countryman. Why didnt you just ask him at Oztek?

Your comment/suggestion that there has been any stonewalling or non reporting of freds incident or kit investigation is incorrect (read the archives )

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Mephisto26

I'm just spit balling here but maybe some experts can confirm or disconfirm...the meg comes standard with the manual O2 injection on the inhale counterlung and as I can read on this forum a lot of people like to run their unit manually...so if u inject the O2 it goes first through ur lungs into the exhale side through the scrubber until it reaches the sensores...but once it passes through my body I also dilute it which then doesn't give me the exact PO2 reading from when I inhaled compared to when I exhale...so wouldn't it be possible to accumulate much more O2 (from an CNS point of view) then he actually realized reading his handset...I hope I could explain what I mean somehow...

Anyway that's the only idea I could come up with...

Greets from Mexico,
Patrick

Drmike

Im no expert but looking simply at the physics of it your lungs dont fully exchange gas with each breath - they act like an accumilator smoothing out fluctuations, as does the Counter Lungs, rest of loop and indeed your body. The fluctuation in PPO2 as seen by the body is tempered (smoothed out) by this so overall effect (as to where the o2 is injected, in the head, in the inhale CL in the exhale CL) is I suspect unimportant from a practical viewpoint.


But that doesnt stop people from fussing about where they inject

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Cave diving is a sport
Wreck diving is a sport
Diving in general is a sport

'Rebreather diving' is not a sport
its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment