Australian Incident

Bazza · 24th July 2007, 04:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by Robert Cook)

OK, the full version is going to have to wait until I do some more research then get WH&S finalised, however the short version is that I had an O2 hit at 25% CNS clock. The rebreather was working fine, but there appears to have been another factor in play, which the final report will focus on.

The full report will be put on here, Diveoz, and as many databases as I can find. This will not happen for another week or two, however,

Thanks to Jason & Myron for the rescue & all the medical staff involved,

Thanks,
Robert

So Rob ... three months now and we are still waiting, what's the problem, can you put a bit more light on the reason for the problem if only to avoid others repeating your mistake.

regards Baz

jhaaja · 24th July 2007, 05:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by Bazza)

So Rob ... three months now and we are still waiting, what's the problem, can you put a bit more light on the reason for the problem if only to avoid others repeating your mistake.

regards Baz

How do you know that the diver made a mistake? I am just saying that there seems to be O2 hits that occur even with low CNS-loading...

I know because I have had one of those...

kiwidiver · 24th July 2007, 05:18

That is bazzas point if they say what went on instead of silence we wont have to speculate will we!!!!

jhaaja · 24th July 2007, 05:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by kiwidiver)

That is bazzas point if they say what went on instead of silence we wont have to speculate will we!!!!

Yes off course it would be usefull to hear a report of what happened. But it might be that there is no clear reason for the O2 hit... I did not find one for my hit, there were some possible causes but nothing bulletproof.

***caveseeker7*** · 24th July 2007, 06:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by kiwidiver)

That is bazzas point if they say what went on instead of silence we wont have to speculate will we!!!!

You sure?

Bazza doesn't sell Megs or PRISMs, so diving either in Oz is a diver's mistake by default.

kiwidiver · 24th July 2007, 07:25

big sigh!!! here we go again.I couldn't care less whether bazza was fishing or not.Lets stick to the original question as I would like to know what happened and for my friends that I dive with on megs may have a better understanding of the incident.

GuyW · 24th July 2007, 10:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

You sure?

Bazza doesn't sell Megs or PRISMs, so diving either in Oz is a diver's mistake by default.

I'm sure Baz would sell Megs or Prisms if anyone wanted them.

01RMB · 24th July 2007, 23:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

You sure?

Bazza doesn't sell Megs or PRISMs, so diving either in Oz is a diver's mistake by default.

Stefan
Baz has asked a fair question. This incident combined with previous incidents has pretty well made it impossible to use rebreathers on commercial boats in Queensland with most operators completely shunning their use. Mistake or otherwise, I think it fair we all find out a little more about what happened if only to stop wild conjecture but more importantly to allow others to learn from what happened.

Bazza · 24th July 2007, 23:53

I would love to know if the problem has anything to do with the injection rates on these units ??? When Fred Evens died all we got back via the grape vine was that all three cells were voltage limited, I for one don't rate that at all.

What S/W release number was Rob's or Fred's unit working on ??

I believe that 2.01J is being upgraded to 2.01K due to problems with the 0.25 per second solenoid injection, is this correct ???

I also understand that S/W version 2.50 will be released in about a month, is this also correct and what are the benefits of this release ... anyone know??

An injection rate problem may explain Rob's problem but it looks like we will never know due to this cone of silence around this and poor Fred's incidents.

Any constructive input welcome .... regards Baz

bendomatic · 25th July 2007, 01:00

have any of you guys considered that ROb may no longer wish to contribute Rebreather World? life goes on for some people and RBW isn't part of it.
rachel

24th July 2007, 04:48	#41 (permalink)
Bazza New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 167	Re: Australian Incident Quote: (Originally Posted by Robert Cook) OK, the full version is going to have to wait until I do some more research then get WH&S finalised, however the short version is that I had an O2 hit at 25% CNS clock. The rebreather was working fine, but there appears to have been another factor in play, which the final report will focus on. The full report will be put on here, Diveoz, and as many databases as I can find. This will not happen for another week or two, however, Thanks to Jason & Myron for the rescue & all the medical staff involved, Thanks, Robert So Rob ... three months now and we are still waiting, what's the problem, can you put a bit more light on the reason for the problem if only to avoid others repeating your mistake. regards Baz
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24th July 2007, 05:00	#42 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 884	Re: Australian Incident Quote: (Originally Posted by Bazza) So Rob ... three months now and we are still waiting, what's the problem, can you put a bit more light on the reason for the problem if only to avoid others repeating your mistake. regards Baz How do you know that the diver made a mistake? I am just saying that there seems to be O2 hits that occur even with low CNS-loading... I know because I have had one of those...
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24th July 2007, 05:18	#43 (permalink)
kiwidiver Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new zealand Posts: 136	Re: Australian Incident That is bazzas point if they say what went on instead of silence we wont have to speculate will we!!!!
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24th July 2007, 05:26	#44 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 884	Re: Australian Incident Quote: (Originally Posted by kiwidiver) That is bazzas point if they say what went on instead of silence we wont have to speculate will we!!!! Yes off course it would be usefull to hear a report of what happened. But it might be that there is no clear reason for the O2 hit... I did not find one for my hit, there were some possible causes but nothing bulletproof.
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24th July 2007, 06:59	#45 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,456	Re: Australian Incident Quote: (Originally Posted by kiwidiver) That is bazzas point if they say what went on instead of silence we wont have to speculate will we!!!! You sure? Bazza doesn't sell Megs or PRISMs, so diving either in Oz is a diver's mistake by default. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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24th July 2007, 07:25	#46 (permalink)
kiwidiver Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new zealand Posts: 136	Re: Australian Incident big sigh!!! here we go again.I couldn't care less whether bazza was fishing or not.Lets stick to the original question as I would like to know what happened and for my friends that I dive with on megs may have a better understanding of the incident.
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24th July 2007, 10:42	#47 (permalink)
GuyW Old Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 61	Re: Australian Incident Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) You sure? Bazza doesn't sell Megs or PRISMs, so diving either in Oz is a diver's mistake by default. I'm sure Baz would sell Megs or Prisms if anyone wanted them.
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24th July 2007, 23:31	#48 (permalink)
01RMB Evolving Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 190	Re: Australian Incident Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) You sure? Bazza doesn't sell Megs or PRISMs, so diving either in Oz is a diver's mistake by default. Stefan Baz has asked a fair question. This incident combined with previous incidents has pretty well made it impossible to use rebreathers on commercial boats in Queensland with most operators completely shunning their use. Mistake or otherwise, I think it fair we all find out a little more about what happened if only to stop wild conjecture but more importantly to allow others to learn from what happened. __________________ Cheers Rod
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24th July 2007, 23:53	#49 (permalink)
Bazza New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 167	Re: Australian Incident I would love to know if the problem has anything to do with the injection rates on these units ??? When Fred Evens died all we got back via the grape vine was that all three cells were voltage limited, I for one don't rate that at all. What S/W release number was Rob's or Fred's unit working on ?? I believe that 2.01J is being upgraded to 2.01K due to problems with the 0.25 per second solenoid injection, is this correct ??? I also understand that S/W version 2.50 will be released in about a month, is this also correct and what are the benefits of this release ... anyone know?? An injection rate problem may explain Rob's problem but it looks like we will never know due to this cone of silence around this and poor Fred's incidents. Any constructive input welcome .... regards Baz
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25th July 2007, 01:00	#50 (permalink)
bendomatic Morgan's Mum Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 205	Re: Australian Incident have any of you guys considered that ROb may no longer wish to contribute Rebreather World? life goes on for some people and RBW isn't part of it. rachel __________________ why deal with idiots on the net when you have to spend all day dealing with them at work.
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