Can USA cylinders be filled in Australia?

warjarrett · 13th July 2008, 22:13

I am about to send a Prism rebreather from the USA to Austaralia, to its new owner. As I start to include the cylinders market "DOT" and "3000 psi" I want to ask you all if these are useful to the new owner there, or will dive shops refuse to fill them, becuase they are not certified for use in Australia. I ask this because in the USA, only DOT marked cylinders can be filled (well, except at home).

**DeepBlueInnovation** · 13th July 2008, 22:58

If you can get a testing station in Australia to test them and stamp them then you are fine - however many will not. What part of Australia is it coming to? If it is coming to the West Coast then pm me, if it is East Coast I am sure I heard Barry Hallet (Bazza) mention in the past that he knew of somewhere in Sydney.

Cheers,

Ben.

jkaterenchuk · 13th July 2008, 23:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by warjarrett)

I am about to send a Prism rebreather from the USA to Austaralia, to its new owner. As I start to include the cylinders market "DOT" and "3000 psi" I want to ask you all if these are useful to the new owner there, or will dive shops refuse to fill them, becuase they are not certified for use in Australia. I ask this because in the USA, only DOT marked cylinders can be filled (well, except at home).

Good question to ask the new owner....maybe he/she has there own compressor and does their own fills. Hence, might not care about DOT or otherwise.

John

aknelson · 14th July 2008, 05:09

Good question to ask the new owner....maybe he/she has there own compressor and does their own fills. Hence, might not care about DOT or otherwise. John[/quote]

I went throgh the same just from the opposite side.
Just keep the cylinders and they will get their own. It is not worth
to go through the "Red Tape" Eventuelly the cylinders needs to be tested
and the issue comes up again...

Andreas

cramerdn · 14th July 2008, 06:14

I am Australia now. All the cylinders here I have seen are DOT tanks. What I was told by my local shop was that if the tanks have a manufacture date less than one year old they are fine, becuase that's what is on the shelf here anyway.

After that the tanks will need an anual hydro and Ausie hydro facility stamp, along with a valve service.

So if the valves are not meat-and-potato yoke valves he may want to consider having you include some valve kits to save on dive shop mark ups on parts they will have to order.

But all of these hoops have to be jumpped through every year anyway. There is no reason to not send the tanks. Even if they need full services the cost of new tanks here is CRAZY, and the odds of finding any in stock are slim to none.

Lancer4545 · 14th July 2008, 09:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by jkaterenchuk)

Good question to ask the new owner....maybe he/she has there own compressor and does their own fills. Hence, might not care about DOT or otherwise.

John

There is no problem what so ever with DOT tanks, there is a very healthy percentage of tanks used here with these markings.

Our "Crazy" system is that "ALL" tanks require a Hydrostat test every 12 months irrespective of whether they are DOT or AUS certified or not.

Providing they are less than 10 years old they will not require an "Eddy Current" check which is a bit more of a cost over the conventional "Stat"

Regards,

Lance

warjarrett · 14th July 2008, 11:54

The cylinders are going to Bowen, Qld. They are 3 or 4 years old, aluminum, 19 cu.ft. (about the same size as Inspiration cylinders), with Preece T-valves. I hope he can get rebuild kits from Preece or SeaHornet.

breals · 14th July 2008, 12:55

A hydro test every 12 months? That seems a little excessive, in the US its only required once every 5 years.

Steve the Box · 14th July 2008, 13:05

I'm in the same boat re tanks with 15 steel (faber) from 3lte inspo
to twin 18lte, I will buy a compressor but it would be nice to test
now & again. I also have 2 aluminum 95cu ft DOT & one smaller
tank ( 1995) with a mark on it AS 1777 which looks like whats on my tanks in Sydney they all have burst disks I can't check as I'm still stuck here in England till the house sells.

cramerdn · 14th July 2008, 13:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by breals)

That seems a little excessive

Near as I can tell thats the Australian moto. At the entrance to an escalator in a mall there is a sign posted with the terms of use, just like the back of an airline ticket.

I kid you not.

13th July 2008, 22:13	#1 (permalink)
warjarrett New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: May 2007 Location: Long Beach, CA, USA Posts: 62	Can USA cylinders be filled in Australia? I am about to send a Prism rebreather from the USA to Austaralia, to its new owner. As I start to include the cylinders market "DOT" and "3000 psi" I want to ask you all if these are useful to the new owner there, or will dive shops refuse to fill them, becuase they are not certified for use in Australia. I ask this because in the USA, only DOT marked cylinders can be filled (well, except at home).
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13th July 2008, 22:58	#2 (permalink)
DeepBlueInnovation Learning to Kiss Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 360	Re: Can USA cylinders be filled in Australia? If you can get a testing station in Australia to test them and stamp them then you are fine - however many will not. What part of Australia is it coming to? If it is coming to the West Coast then pm me, if it is East Coast I am sure I heard Barry Hallet (Bazza) mention in the past that he knew of somewhere in Sydney. Cheers, Ben.
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13th July 2008, 23:01	#3 (permalink)
jkaterenchuk . Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lititz, PA Posts: 827	Re: Can USA cylinders be filled in Australia? Quote: (Originally Posted by warjarrett) I am about to send a Prism rebreather from the USA to Austaralia, to its new owner. As I start to include the cylinders market "DOT" and "3000 psi" I want to ask you all if these are useful to the new owner there, or will dive shops refuse to fill them, becuase they are not certified for use in Australia. I ask this because in the USA, only DOT marked cylinders can be filled (well, except at home). Good question to ask the new owner....maybe he/she has there own compressor and does their own fills. Hence, might not care about DOT or otherwise. John
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14th July 2008, 05:09	#4 (permalink)
aknelson New Member Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Dolphin Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 80	Re: Can USA cylinders be filled in Australia? Good question to ask the new owner....maybe he/she has there own compressor and does their own fills. Hence, might not care about DOT or otherwise. John[/quote] I went throgh the same just from the opposite side. Just keep the cylinders and they will get their own. It is not worth to go through the "Red Tape" Eventuelly the cylinders needs to be tested and the issue comes up again... Andreas
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14th July 2008, 06:14	#5 (permalink)
cramerdn Obey my dog! Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Townsville QLD Posts: 634	Re: Can USA cylinders be filled in Australia? I am Australia now. All the cylinders here I have seen are DOT tanks. What I was told by my local shop was that if the tanks have a manufacture date less than one year old they are fine, becuase that's what is on the shelf here anyway. After that the tanks will need an anual hydro and Ausie hydro facility stamp, along with a valve service. So if the valves are not meat-and-potato yoke valves he may want to consider having you include some valve kits to save on dive shop mark ups on parts they will have to order. But all of these hoops have to be jumpped through every year anyway. There is no reason to not send the tanks. Even if they need full services the cost of new tanks here is CRAZY, and the odds of finding any in stock are slim to none. __________________ "Its better to live one day as a tiger than an entire life as a worm." "But who's ever heard of a worm skin rug?"
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14th July 2008, 09:45	#6 (permalink)
Lancer4545 Closed Circuit Divers Aus Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cairns QLD Australia Posts: 664	Re: Can USA cylinders be filled in Australia? Quote: (Originally Posted by jkaterenchuk) Good question to ask the new owner....maybe he/she has there own compressor and does their own fills. Hence, might not care about DOT or otherwise. John There is no problem what so ever with DOT tanks, there is a very healthy percentage of tanks used here with these markings. Our "Crazy" system is that "ALL" tanks require a Hydrostat test every 12 months irrespective of whether they are DOT or AUS certified or not. Providing they are less than 10 years old they will not require an "Eddy Current" check which is a bit more of a cost over the conventional "Stat" Regards, Lance __________________ You can run but you can't hide! ISC Appointed Megalodon Dealer for East Australia http://www.closedcircuitdivers.com.au info@closedcircuitdivers.com.au
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14th July 2008, 11:54	#7 (permalink)
warjarrett New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: May 2007 Location: Long Beach, CA, USA Posts: 62	Re: Can USA cylinders be filled in Australia? The cylinders are going to Bowen, Qld. They are 3 or 4 years old, aluminum, 19 cu.ft. (about the same size as Inspiration cylinders), with Preece T-valves. I hope he can get rebuild kits from Preece or SeaHornet.
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14th July 2008, 12:55	#8 (permalink)
breals Crack Head Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 128	Re: Can USA cylinders be filled in Australia? A hydro test every 12 months? That seems a little excessive, in the US its only required once every 5 years. __________________ - Bill Personal Website: www.reals.net Scuba Blog: www.divedown.com
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14th July 2008, 13:05	#9 (permalink)
Steve the Box New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Surrey,England Posts: 12	Re: Can USA cylinders be filled in Australia? I'm in the same boat re tanks with 15 steel (faber) from 3lte inspo to twin 18lte, I will buy a compressor but it would be nice to test now & again. I also have 2 aluminum 95cu ft DOT & one smaller tank ( 1995) with a mark on it AS 1777 which looks like whats on my tanks in Sydney they all have burst disks I can't check as I'm still stuck here in England till the house sells.
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14th July 2008, 13:34	#10 (permalink)
cramerdn Obey my dog! Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Townsville QLD Posts: 634	Re: Can USA cylinders be filled in Australia? Quote: (Originally Posted by breals) That seems a little excessive Near as I can tell thats the Australian moto. At the entrance to an escalator in a mall there is a sign posted with the terms of use, just like the back of an airline ticket. I kid you not. __________________ "Its better to live one day as a tiger than an entire life as a worm." "But who's ever heard of a worm skin rug?"
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