Jaw Fatigue

lizardland · 30th April 2008, 15:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3)

Hi,

I have never tried Seacure before as I have Apeks Comfort Bite, but here's a question for those who have tried both. Is the comfort level higher using Seacure? Another question, anyone is using it with the Inspiration unit?

Best Regards. Wael

I find my jaw is in a more natural position than the Apeks mouthpiece. I also find there is less water leakage round my lips as my jaw muscles aren't getting tired.

It really has to be the high flow version, I put a standard one on and the increase in WOB is massive.

Dinspiration · 30th April 2008, 16:30

Hi,

How is the Seacure Pro II - does it also fit the Golem BOV? I saw it on a webpage as "Golem BOV" compatible....

Quote: (Originally Posted by lof)

Seacure III fit Golem BOV. I use them on all my BOVs

lof · 1st May 2008, 03:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dinspiration)

Hi,

How is the Seacure Pro II - does it also fit the Golem BOV? I saw it on a webpage as "Golem BOV" compatible....

I used to use the II nbefore III came out, but it required careful molding and removal of the yellow ring. Not recommended when III is available.

Brainx3 · 1st May 2008, 14:31

Hi,

Does anyone know which Seacure model fits the Divematics BOV? I have just ordered the BOV and I'm considering of giving the Seacure a try. Would appreciate some tips.

Best Regards. Wael

PnL · 4th May 2008, 03:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

On which note, a quick question. I'd like to get a gag strap and I've seen these around a few times Dräger Mundstück mit Kopfband | Online Shop | W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH | Seit 1999. Does anyone know whether these will fit a KISS BOV? Any positive or negative experiences?

The main driver is in case of a tox, but reducing fatigue and the risk of having that huge BOV (especially now it has the Proton on it) kicked out of my gob would be nice side effects.

Cheers,

These come standard on rEvo units and will fit the Pelagian BOV as well. The gag strap is great for keeping the DSV/BOV in place and I've never had jaw fatique using it. I would highly recommend it.

Paul

wearypanda · 4th May 2008, 08:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by PnL)

These come standard on rEvo units and will fit the Pelagian BOV as well. The gag strap is great for keeping the DSV/BOV in place and I've never had jaw fatique using it. I would highly recommend it.

Paul

I would be interested to hear any views on the balance of risk between wearing a head strap to help retain the BOV mouthpiece in the event of a blackout vs the additional difficulty of switching to bailout following a caustic cocktail.

Dutchy · 4th May 2008, 09:43

Rotating the hose a bit prior to clamping or connecting helped a lot for me. (and easy to do even during a dive if you have the KISS QC's) This way the rotation strain will work against gravity/current.
Another contribution that I'm very happy with is the JAX mouthpiece...

PnL · 4th May 2008, 18:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by wearypanda)

I would be interested to hear any views on the balance of risk between wearing a head strap to help retain the BOV mouthpiece in the event of a blackout vs the additional difficulty of switching to bailout following a caustic cocktail.

I've had to bail out while using this system and its very easy to remove the DSV/BOV. Anyone who has a rEvo can tell you about it since bail out scenarios are part of the training. Just pull the DSV/BOV out of your mouth and up - the gag strap will come off the top of your head, its not a problem and is done very quickly. It can be a lifesaver if you take a hit since it will keep the DSV/BOV in your mouth - hopefully your buddy will either flush your loop or turn your BOV lever to OC and bring you up.

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lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Ray Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,148	Re: Jaw Fatigue Quote: (Originally Posted by Brainx3) Hi, I have never tried Seacure before as I have Apeks Comfort Bite, but here's a question for those who have tried both. Is the comfort level higher using Seacure? Another question, anyone is using it with the Inspiration unit? Best Regards. Wael I find my jaw is in a more natural position than the Apeks mouthpiece. I also find there is less water leakage round my lips as my jaw muscles aren't getting tired. It really has to be the high flow version, I put a standard one on and the increase in WOB is massive. __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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Dinspiration Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Switzerland Posts: 195	Re: Jaw Fatigue Hi, How is the Seacure Pro II - does it also fit the Golem BOV? I saw it on a webpage as "Golem BOV" compatible.... Quote: (Originally Posted by lof) Seacure III fit Golem BOV. I use them on all my BOVs
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Brainx3 Temporary Read only mode for site infractions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Borås, Sweden Posts: 274	Re: Jaw Fatigue Hi, Does anyone know which Seacure model fits the Divematics BOV? I have just ordered the BOV and I'm considering of giving the Seacure a try. Would appreciate some tips. Best Regards. Wael
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4th May 2008, 03:59	#25 (permalink)
PnL Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 168	Re: Jaw Fatigue Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) On which note, a quick question. I'd like to get a gag strap and I've seen these around a few times Dräger Mundstück mit Kopfband \| Online Shop \| W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH \| Seit 1999. Does anyone know whether these will fit a KISS BOV? Any positive or negative experiences? The main driver is in case of a tox, but reducing fatigue and the risk of having that huge BOV (especially now it has the Proton on it) kicked out of my gob would be nice side effects. Cheers, These come standard on rEvo units and will fit the Pelagian BOV as well. The gag strap is great for keeping the DSV/BOV in place and I've never had jaw fatique using it. I would highly recommend it. Paul __________________ SDTechDiving.com - A San Diego Technical Diving Community
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4th May 2008, 08:40	#26 (permalink)
wearypanda New Member Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Pelagian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 88	Re: Jaw Fatigue Quote: (Originally Posted by PnL) These come standard on rEvo units and will fit the Pelagian BOV as well. The gag strap is great for keeping the DSV/BOV in place and I've never had jaw fatique using it. I would highly recommend it. Paul I would be interested to hear any views on the balance of risk between wearing a head strap to help retain the BOV mouthpiece in the event of a blackout vs the additional difficulty of switching to bailout following a caustic cocktail.
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Dutchy SK#007 Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 695	Re: Jaw Fatigue Rotating the hose a bit prior to clamping or connecting helped a lot for me. (and easy to do even during a dive if you have the KISS QC's) This way the rotation strain will work against gravity/current. Another contribution that I'm very happy with is the JAX mouthpiece... __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. = SK #007
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4th May 2008, 18:05	#28 (permalink)
PnL Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 168	Re: Jaw Fatigue Quote: (Originally Posted by wearypanda) I would be interested to hear any views on the balance of risk between wearing a head strap to help retain the BOV mouthpiece in the event of a blackout vs the additional difficulty of switching to bailout following a caustic cocktail. I've had to bail out while using this system and its very easy to remove the DSV/BOV. Anyone who has a rEvo can tell you about it since bail out scenarios are part of the training. Just pull the DSV/BOV out of your mouth and up - the gag strap will come off the top of your head, its not a problem and is done very quickly. It can be a lifesaver if you take a hit since it will keep the DSV/BOV in your mouth - hopefully your buddy will either flush your loop or turn your BOV lever to OC and bring you up. __________________ SDTechDiving.com - A San Diego Technical Diving Community
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