Jaw Fatigue

osiris · 29th April 2008, 11:18

No Jaw fatigue at all with a Drager Panorama and Golem BOV.........

**PhilSiswick** · 29th April 2008, 13:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

A neck strap seems the best way and I keep saying ill make one.

Someone should design and market something to fit the average BOV.

ATB

Mark

On which note, a quick question. I'd like to get a gag strap and I've seen these around a few times Dräger Mundstück mit Kopfband | Online Shop | W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH | Seit 1999. Does anyone know whether these will fit a KISS BOV? Any positive or negative experiences?

The main driver is in case of a tox, but reducing fatigue and the risk of having that huge BOV (especially now it has the Proton on it) kicked out of my gob would be nice side effects.

Cheers,

Guilhem · 29th April 2008, 14:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

On which note, a quick question. I'd like to get a gag strap and I've seen these around a few times Dräger Mundstück mit Kopfband | Online Shop | W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH | Seit 1999. Does anyone know whether these will fit a KISS BOV? Any positive or negative experiences?

I've just fitted that exact mouthpiece/gag to my kiss bov. It fits around the mouth opening of the bov without any problem, just use a small ziptie so you don't feel it with your lips. Not as comfortable as my previous mouthpiece - which had a palate thingy - this one requires a little bit more tooth grip, but with the gag it stays in place. The gag isn't necessarily easy to fit with thick gloves though.

**PhilSiswick** · 29th April 2008, 15:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by Guilhem)

I've just fitted that exact mouthpiece/gag to my kiss bov. It fits around the mouth opening of the bov without any problem, just use a small ziptie so you don't feel it with your lips. Not as comfortable as my previous mouthpiece - which had a palate thingy - this one requires a little bit more tooth grip, but with the gag it stays in place. The gag isn't necessarily easy to fit with thick gloves though.

Many thanks for that - I think I'll order one and give it a try. Good point about fitting with thick gloves - I guess I'll have to learn to leave them until the very last thing.

Cheers,

tflaris · 29th April 2008, 18:24

Thanks for the input. I will try adjusting the weights a bit. the unit I am using is the Evolution and I don't believe SeaCure has a mouthpiece designated for this unit.

When you refer to a neck strap are you referring to a necklace?

Thanks Again.

tflaris · 29th April 2008, 18:31

According to SeaCure they do not Offically make a mouthpiece for the Evolution. I spoke to them this morning.

lof · 30th April 2008, 02:01

Seacure III fit Golem BOV. I use them on all my BOVs

lizardland · 30th April 2008, 12:45

I don't have any hose weights on mine so the BOV doesn't feel like it's hanging in my gob.

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

I think I'll order one and give it a try.

If you do then order it from Tecme, W&S's shipping costs to the UK are horrendous for small orders, 25euro standard charge or something like that. I spoke to them before when I just wanted a p-port body and they wouldn't reduce the charge.

**PhilSiswick** · 30th April 2008, 13:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

If you do then order it from Tecme, W&S's shipping costs to the UK are horrendous for small orders, 25euro standard charge or something like that. I spoke to them before when I just wanted a p-port body and they wouldn't reduce the charge.

Many thanks for the steer - I'll try Martin.

Cheers,

Brainx3 · 30th April 2008, 14:06

Hi,

I have never tried Seacure before as I have Apeks Comfort Bite, but here's a question for those who have tried both. Is the comfort level higher using Seacure? Another question, anyone is using it with the Inspiration unit?

Best Regards. Wael

29th April 2008, 11:18	#11 (permalink)
osiris Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland Posts: 320	Re: Jaw Fatigue No Jaw fatigue at all with a Drager Panorama and Golem BOV.........
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29th April 2008, 13:05	#12 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,002	Re: Jaw Fatigue Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) A neck strap seems the best way and I keep saying ill make one. Someone should design and market something to fit the average BOV. ATB Mark On which note, a quick question. I'd like to get a gag strap and I've seen these around a few times Dräger Mundstück mit Kopfband \| Online Shop \| W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH \| Seit 1999. Does anyone know whether these will fit a KISS BOV? Any positive or negative experiences? The main driver is in case of a tox, but reducing fatigue and the risk of having that huge BOV (especially now it has the Proton on it) kicked out of my gob would be nice side effects. Cheers, __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk Last edited by PhilSiswick : 29th April 2008 at 13:07.
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29th April 2008, 14:08	#13 (permalink)
Guilhem New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: South-East France Posts: 72	Re: Jaw Fatigue Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) On which note, a quick question. I'd like to get a gag strap and I've seen these around a few times Dräger Mundstück mit Kopfband \| Online Shop \| W+S Water Safety Europe GmbH \| Seit 1999. Does anyone know whether these will fit a KISS BOV? Any positive or negative experiences? I've just fitted that exact mouthpiece/gag to my kiss bov. It fits around the mouth opening of the bov without any problem, just use a small ziptie so you don't feel it with your lips. Not as comfortable as my previous mouthpiece - which had a palate thingy - this one requires a little bit more tooth grip, but with the gag it stays in place. The gag isn't necessarily easy to fit with thick gloves though.
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29th April 2008, 15:26	#14 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,002	Re: Jaw Fatigue Quote: (Originally Posted by Guilhem) I've just fitted that exact mouthpiece/gag to my kiss bov. It fits around the mouth opening of the bov without any problem, just use a small ziptie so you don't feel it with your lips. Not as comfortable as my previous mouthpiece - which had a palate thingy - this one requires a little bit more tooth grip, but with the gag it stays in place. The gag isn't necessarily easy to fit with thick gloves though. Many thanks for that - I think I'll order one and give it a try. Good point about fitting with thick gloves - I guess I'll have to learn to leave them until the very last thing. Cheers, __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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29th April 2008, 18:24	#15 (permalink)
tflaris God save the Queen Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Neptune Beach, Florida Posts: 249	Re: Jaw Fatigue Thanks for the input. I will try adjusting the weights a bit. the unit I am using is the Evolution and I don't believe SeaCure has a mouthpiece designated for this unit. When you refer to a neck strap are you referring to a necklace? Thanks Again. __________________ "Except for this one, I have come to the conclusion that all generalizations are false" -Jim Hayes
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29th April 2008, 18:31	#16 (permalink)
tflaris God save the Queen Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Neptune Beach, Florida Posts: 249	Re: Jaw Fatigue According to SeaCure they do not Offically make a mouthpiece for the Evolution. I spoke to them this morning. __________________ "Except for this one, I have come to the conclusion that all generalizations are false" -Jim Hayes
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30th April 2008, 02:01	#17 (permalink)
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30th April 2008, 12:45	#18 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,304	Re: Jaw Fatigue I don't have any hose weights on mine so the BOV doesn't feel like it's hanging in my gob. Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) I think I'll order one and give it a try. If you do then order it from Tecme, W&S's shipping costs to the UK are horrendous for small orders, 25euro standard charge or something like that. I spoke to them before when I just wanted a p-port body and they wouldn't reduce the charge. __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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30th April 2008, 13:05	#19 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,002	Re: Jaw Fatigue Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) If you do then order it from Tecme, W&S's shipping costs to the UK are horrendous for small orders, 25euro standard charge or something like that. I spoke to them before when I just wanted a p-port body and they wouldn't reduce the charge. Many thanks for the steer - I'll try Martin. Cheers, __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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30th April 2008, 14:06	#20 (permalink)
Brainx3 Totally Submerged Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: International Waters Posts: 292	Re: Jaw Fatigue Hi, I have never tried Seacure before as I have Apeks Comfort Bite, but here's a question for those who have tried both. Is the comfort level higher using Seacure? Another question, anyone is using it with the Inspiration unit? Best Regards. Wael __________________ The depth of life cannot be measured in Bars, nor can the sea of lies, that lies within. Sooner or later I'll be cracking your market and end your game. *I don't take crap for an answer...*
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