Back Up Torch

Mark Chase · 23rd March 2008, 18:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us)

That is not the right attitude i think. Especially for Backup you want THE BEST.
If you switch that Thingy on it HAS TO PERFORM.

Just a general remark

Regards from India

Michael

I am in the middle of doing a test on several back up torches ranging from the MiniQ40 through the Photon and Heiser LED units the Innobeem, Solus and on up to the Barbolite three LED costing £220

I find it odd that we consider £100+ for a back up light to be a lot of money when we are spending £700-£900 on a primary light.

Personally having had to go to my standard Photon Torpedo inside the Empire Heritage I immediately rushed home and bought the most powerful back up torch i could find. Te cost of the lost opportunity of a good dive on the EH was way above the cost of the torch IMHO

Again in caves I felt I didn't need or want to have to resort to a pencil torch having had the primary fail. My backup torch was more powerful than the primary used by our instructors.

Which was just fine by me.

When I did some penitration dives on the Zenobia i remeber switching off my primary and seeing how i got on with my miniQ40 back up. Having had a go I wasent keen on the idea of having to use it in an emergancy.

QED i find them mindset of divers choosing sub £50 pencle torches odd. If it works for you then fine but i still find it odd.

ATB

Mark

Marc T · 23rd March 2008, 22:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

I am in the middle of doing a test on several back up torches ranging from the MiniQ40 through the Photon and Heiser LED units the Innobeem, Solus and on up to the Barbolite three LED costing £220

I find it odd that we consider £100+ for a back up light to be a lot of money when we are spending £700-£900 on a primary light.

Personally having had to go to my standard Photon Torpedo inside the Empire Heritage I immediately rushed home and bought the most powerful back up torch i could find. Te cost of the lost opportunity of a good dive on the EH was way above the cost of the torch IMHO

Again in caves I felt I didn't need or want to have to resort to a pencil torch having had the primary fail. My backup torch was more powerful than the primary used by our instructors.

Which was just fine by me.

When I did some penitration dives on the Zenobia i remeber switching off my primary and seeing how i got on with my miniQ40 back up. Having had a go I wasent keen on the idea of having to use it in an emergancy.

QED i find them mindset of divers choosing sub £50 pencle torches odd. If it works for you then fine but i still find it odd.

ATB

Mark

Tested this afternoon in a big spring two backup:
One is the innobeam which is the RBWstore backup light and the other one tilliteck backup.
Have been impressed by the built quality of the tilly but the innobeam is correct too, about power, In the air the tillyteck is better ( same power but wider lighted area )
The idea was to have a back up system who allow you to continue to scooteringbback home whe in trouble with the primary.
I noticed that my usual backup ( twin dive right four leds helmet mounted was no powerfull enough for scootering ).
Either primary ( two dive rite HID 10 W ) and tested back light up were mounted on my helmet ( french habits for solo cave diving ).
My usual backup system ( two old four leds dive rite were also mounted on the helmet ) well just need a horn to really look like an undewater-truck

.

Was diving with a buddy who was woring a little about not having is sunglasses, he was using barbolight 3 leds.

Well I just can say that the cave was too big for the test...But

What I can say right now is that
1/ a twin tillytec or a twin innobeam helmet-mounted can allows you to scootering correctly.
2/ who are comparing this light with HID 10 are real jokers.
3/I got my config now:dive rite leds and tilly + innobeam for small caves, and add my two dive right HID 10 watts for big caves.
4/ a correct config could be twin tilly or innobeam helmet-mounted and a 25 HID and held.

Just searching for undewater horn now

brinoz · 24th March 2008, 19:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by Marc T)

In the air the tillyteck is better ( same power but wider lighted area )

Hi Marc,

what about the tillyteck underwater ?

Regards
Bruno

newman_diver · 24th March 2008, 20:53

Hi,

I'm using GreenForce diamond backups. They are well built lights, multiple O-rings and take CR123 batteries. They are twist on lights. My fiance uses the Intova LED light. Same batteries but uses a magnetic switch instead of twist on. They have proven to be rugged and bright. The magnetic switch eliminates the possibility of flooding through the switch. The beam is a little less focused than the GreenForce but they are half the price. I have included links below.

Tyler

GreenForce - Divelights

Buy Intova L.E.D. Torch IFL660 with reviews at scuba.com

Marc T · 31st March 2008, 06:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by brinoz)

Hi Marc,

what about the tillyteck underwater ?

Regards
Bruno

Flooding a display of one of my sidemount Rebreather at the very beginning of the dive

and having a slow leak few minutes after on the over one

I had time enough to test correctly my backups lights... sort of a backup objective

.
So I turned off my main lights and could correctly tested my Tillyteck compared to the innobeam ( RBWS backup ) the water was like cristal but the rock of this cave is very dark so need really good lights...
The combination on the two on a helmet is correct but as previously said you can for forget it for main light in a big cave. Anyhow you fill really secure to search your way or explore small parts of the cave.
The Rebreather World is slighly more focused and seems brighter but tilly have a warmer light, larger spot and finally give a more comfortable light.
If I had to choose now, Ill go for one or two tilly as the price is good the possibility to use alcaline or batterie is more versatile preceived quality is top..
After testing light I stupidily continued a small contemplative dive with no more objective, experimented then a increasing Wob, then a slighly breakthrough went back OC on hypoxic dil, but fortunatly could go back on the loop for ascent and 40 min déco...opening the canister after the dive..it was soaked.
Well some days its better to stay home.

**NEDIVER** · 31st March 2008, 15:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by newman_diver)

Hi,

I'm using GreenForce diamond backups. They are well built lights, multiple O-rings and take CR123 batteries. They are twist on lights. My fiance uses the Intova LED light. Same batteries but uses a magnetic switch instead of twist on. They have proven to be rugged and bright. The magnetic switch eliminates the possibility of flooding through the switch. The beam is a little less focused than the GreenForce but they are half the price. I have included links below.

Tyler

GreenForce - Divelights

I just ordered the Green Force back up light, I have a green force primary so it just seems to make sense.

I am always open water, so a primary and back up is good for me.

Marc, It sounds like you are going to have to register for a new power grid once you head into the Cave Territory!!!!

**rigdiver** · 31st March 2008, 17:12

I suggest Photon Torpedo with LED module. Well built light. Body is about 50% thicker than other 3 C-cell lights and at a nice price with double O-rings.

newman_diver · 10th May 2008, 19:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by newman_diver)

Hi,

I'm using GreenForce diamond backups. They are well built lights, multiple O-rings and take CR123 batteries. They are twist on lights. My fiance uses the Intova LED light. Same batteries but uses a magnetic switch instead of twist on. They have proven to be rugged and bright. The magnetic switch eliminates the possibility of flooding through the switch. The beam is a little less focused than the GreenForce but they are half the price. I have included links below.

Tyler

GreenForce - Divelights

Buy Intova L.E.D. Torch IFL660 with reviews at scuba.com

Hello Everyone,

I must revise my post to give all members a heads up. I just returned from Mexico, my wife and I did the full cave course. Amazing course, very challenging. Anyways, about the lights. I was using the GF diamond backup and my wife, the Intova LED. The Intova is 3 times brighter than the GF. Being in a cave and having a GF as a backup would make me nervous. Not a bright light at all and very scattered. Plus, they cost twice as much as the Intova. GreenForce makes a great primary light and I have no complaints about those but I would not purchase another backup unless they do some major upgrades.

Tyler

babar · 10th May 2008, 22:15

FWIW, I just got an Intova camera and housing with strobe. Doing great so far, and VERY cheap, by comparison to some others. Sorry for the brief hyjack.

Quote: (Originally Posted by newman_diver)

Hello Everyone,

I must revise my post to give all members a heads up. I just returned from Mexico, my wife and I did the full cave course. Amazing course, very challenging. Anyways, about the lights. I was using the GF diamond backup and my wife, the Intova LED. The Intova is 3 times brighter than the GF. Being in a cave and having a GF as a backup would make me nervous. Not a bright light at all and very scattered. Plus, they cost twice as much as the Intova. GreenForce makes a great primary light and I have no complaints about those but I would not purchase another backup unless they do some major upgrades.

Tyler

newman_diver · 28th May 2008, 18:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by newman_diver)

Hello Everyone,

I must revise my post to give all members a heads up. I just returned from Mexico, my wife and I did the full cave course. Amazing course, very challenging. Anyways, about the lights. I was using the GF diamond backup and my wife, the Intova LED. The Intova is 3 times brighter than the GF. Being in a cave and having a GF as a backup would make me nervous. Not a bright light at all and very scattered. Plus, they cost twice as much as the Intova. GreenForce makes a great primary light and I have no complaints about those but I would not purchase another backup unless they do some major upgrades.

Tyler

I emailed Green Force regarding my dissatisfaction with the Diamond Backup and they have inidcated that they are planning on releasing something new at DEMA this year. Just have to wait and see..............

23rd March 2008, 18:33	#11 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,470	Re: Back Up Torch Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us) That is not the right attitude i think. Especially for Backup you want THE BEST. If you switch that Thingy on it HAS TO PERFORM. Just a general remark Regards from India Michael I am in the middle of doing a test on several back up torches ranging from the MiniQ40 through the Photon and Heiser LED units the Innobeem, Solus and on up to the Barbolite three LED costing £220 I find it odd that we consider £100+ for a back up light to be a lot of money when we are spending £700-£900 on a primary light. Personally having had to go to my standard Photon Torpedo inside the Empire Heritage I immediately rushed home and bought the most powerful back up torch i could find. Te cost of the lost opportunity of a good dive on the EH was way above the cost of the torch IMHO Again in caves I felt I didn't need or want to have to resort to a pencil torch having had the primary fail. My backup torch was more powerful than the primary used by our instructors. Which was just fine by me. When I did some penitration dives on the Zenobia i remeber switching off my primary and seeing how i got on with my miniQ40 back up. Having had a go I wasent keen on the idea of having to use it in an emergancy. QED i find them mindset of divers choosing sub £50 pencle torches odd. If it works for you then fine but i still find it odd. ATB Mark __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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23rd March 2008, 22:26	#12 (permalink)
Marc T hell is in the details Current Rebreather/s: RB80 / Clone Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet RB80 / Clone Home Build Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: FRANCE Carcassonne Posts: 440	Re: Back Up Torch Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) I am in the middle of doing a test on several back up torches ranging from the MiniQ40 through the Photon and Heiser LED units the Innobeem, Solus and on up to the Barbolite three LED costing £220 I find it odd that we consider £100+ for a back up light to be a lot of money when we are spending £700-£900 on a primary light. Personally having had to go to my standard Photon Torpedo inside the Empire Heritage I immediately rushed home and bought the most powerful back up torch i could find. Te cost of the lost opportunity of a good dive on the EH was way above the cost of the torch IMHO Again in caves I felt I didn't need or want to have to resort to a pencil torch having had the primary fail. My backup torch was more powerful than the primary used by our instructors. Which was just fine by me. When I did some penitration dives on the Zenobia i remeber switching off my primary and seeing how i got on with my miniQ40 back up. Having had a go I wasent keen on the idea of having to use it in an emergancy. QED i find them mindset of divers choosing sub £50 pencle torches odd. If it works for you then fine but i still find it odd. ATB Mark Tested this afternoon in a big spring two backup: One is the innobeam which is the RBWstore backup light and the other one tilliteck backup. Have been impressed by the built quality of the tilly but the innobeam is correct too, about power, In the air the tillyteck is better ( same power but wider lighted area ) The idea was to have a back up system who allow you to continue to scooteringbback home whe in trouble with the primary. I noticed that my usual backup ( twin dive right four leds helmet mounted was no powerfull enough for scootering ). Either primary ( two dive rite HID 10 W ) and tested back light up were mounted on my helmet ( french habits for solo cave diving ). My usual backup system ( two old four leds dive rite were also mounted on the helmet ) well just need a horn to really look like an undewater-truck. Was diving with a buddy who was woring a little about not having is sunglasses, he was using barbolight 3 leds. Well I just can say that the cave was too big for the test...But What I can say right now is that 1/ a twin tillytec or a twin innobeam helmet-mounted can allows you to scootering correctly. 2/ who are comparing this light with HID 10 are real jokers. 3/I got my config now:dive rite leds and tilly + innobeam for small caves, and add my two dive right HID 10 watts for big caves. 4/ a correct config could be twin tilly or innobeam helmet-mounted and a 25 HID and held. Just searching for undewater horn now
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24th March 2008, 19:31	#13 (permalink)
brinoz New Member Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 50	Re: Back Up Torch Quote: (Originally Posted by Marc T) In the air the tillyteck is better ( same power but wider lighted area ) Hi Marc, what about the tillyteck underwater ? Regards Bruno
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24th March 2008, 20:53	#14 (permalink)
newman_diver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Victoria Posts: 13	Re: Back Up Torch Hi, I'm using GreenForce diamond backups. They are well built lights, multiple O-rings and take CR123 batteries. They are twist on lights. My fiance uses the Intova LED light. Same batteries but uses a magnetic switch instead of twist on. They have proven to be rugged and bright. The magnetic switch eliminates the possibility of flooding through the switch. The beam is a little less focused than the GreenForce but they are half the price. I have included links below. Tyler GreenForce - Divelights Buy Intova L.E.D. Torch IFL660 with reviews at scuba.com
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31st March 2008, 06:37	#15 (permalink)
Marc T hell is in the details Current Rebreather/s: RB80 / Clone Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet RB80 / Clone Home Build Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: FRANCE Carcassonne Posts: 440	Re: Back Up Torch Quote: (Originally Posted by brinoz) Hi Marc, what about the tillyteck underwater ? Regards Bruno Flooding a display of one of my sidemount Rebreather at the very beginning of the dive and having a slow leak few minutes after on the over one I had time enough to test correctly my backups lights... sort of a backup objective. So I turned off my main lights and could correctly tested my Tillyteck compared to the innobeam ( RBWS backup ) the water was like cristal but the rock of this cave is very dark so need really good lights... The combination on the two on a helmet is correct but as previously said you can for forget it for main light in a big cave. Anyhow you fill really secure to search your way or explore small parts of the cave. The Rebreather World is slighly more focused and seems brighter but tilly have a warmer light, larger spot and finally give a more comfortable light. If I had to choose now, Ill go for one or two tilly as the price is good the possibility to use alcaline or batterie is more versatile preceived quality is top.. After testing light I stupidily continued a small contemplative dive with no more objective, experimented then a increasing Wob, then a slighly breakthrough went back OC on hypoxic dil, but fortunatly could go back on the loop for ascent and 40 min déco...opening the canister after the dive..it was soaked. Well some days its better to stay home.
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31st March 2008, 15:41	#16 (permalink)
NEDIVER Sic Semper Tyrannis Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Nashua, NH Posts: 120	Re: Back Up Torch Quote: (Originally Posted by newman_diver) Hi, I'm using GreenForce diamond backups. They are well built lights, multiple O-rings and take CR123 batteries. They are twist on lights. My fiance uses the Intova LED light. Same batteries but uses a magnetic switch instead of twist on. They have proven to be rugged and bright. The magnetic switch eliminates the possibility of flooding through the switch. The beam is a little less focused than the GreenForce but they are half the price. I have included links below. Tyler GreenForce - Divelights I just ordered the Green Force back up light, I have a green force primary so it just seems to make sense. I am always open water, so a primary and back up is good for me. Marc, It sounds like you are going to have to register for a new power grid once you head into the Cave Territory!!!! __________________ -Tom- "slow is smooth, and smooth is fast" TM "Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again, expecting different results" Albert Einstein
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31st March 2008, 17:12	#17 (permalink)
rigdiver LEARNING CONTINUALLY Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS Posts: 412	Re: Back Up Torch I suggest Photon Torpedo with LED module. Well built light. Body is about 50% thicker than other 3 C-cell lights and at a nice price with double O-rings.
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10th May 2008, 19:38	#18 (permalink)
newman_diver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Victoria Posts: 13	Re: Back Up Torch Quote: (Originally Posted by newman_diver) Hi, I'm using GreenForce diamond backups. They are well built lights, multiple O-rings and take CR123 batteries. They are twist on lights. My fiance uses the Intova LED light. Same batteries but uses a magnetic switch instead of twist on. They have proven to be rugged and bright. The magnetic switch eliminates the possibility of flooding through the switch. The beam is a little less focused than the GreenForce but they are half the price. I have included links below. Tyler GreenForce - Divelights Buy Intova L.E.D. Torch IFL660 with reviews at scuba.com Hello Everyone, I must revise my post to give all members a heads up. I just returned from Mexico, my wife and I did the full cave course. Amazing course, very challenging. Anyways, about the lights. I was using the GF diamond backup and my wife, the Intova LED. The Intova is 3 times brighter than the GF. Being in a cave and having a GF as a backup would make me nervous. Not a bright light at all and very scattered. Plus, they cost twice as much as the Intova. GreenForce makes a great primary light and I have no complaints about those but I would not purchase another backup unless they do some major upgrades. Tyler
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10th May 2008, 22:15	#19 (permalink)
babar Curmudgeon Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Sport Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 416	Re: Back Up Torch FWIW, I just got an Intova camera and housing with strobe. Doing great so far, and VERY cheap, by comparison to some others. Sorry for the brief hyjack. Quote: (Originally Posted by newman_diver) Hello Everyone, I must revise my post to give all members a heads up. I just returned from Mexico, my wife and I did the full cave course. Amazing course, very challenging. Anyways, about the lights. I was using the GF diamond backup and my wife, the Intova LED. The Intova is 3 times brighter than the GF. Being in a cave and having a GF as a backup would make me nervous. Not a bright light at all and very scattered. Plus, they cost twice as much as the Intova. GreenForce makes a great primary light and I have no complaints about those but I would not purchase another backup unless they do some major upgrades. Tyler __________________ Babar Evolution Plus Sport kiss
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28th May 2008, 18:35	#20 (permalink)
newman_diver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Victoria Posts: 13	Re: Back Up Torch Quote: (Originally Posted by newman_diver) Hello Everyone, I must revise my post to give all members a heads up. I just returned from Mexico, my wife and I did the full cave course. Amazing course, very challenging. Anyways, about the lights. I was using the GF diamond backup and my wife, the Intova LED. The Intova is 3 times brighter than the GF. Being in a cave and having a GF as a backup would make me nervous. Not a bright light at all and very scattered. Plus, they cost twice as much as the Intova. GreenForce makes a great primary light and I have no complaints about those but I would not purchase another backup unless they do some major upgrades. Tyler I emailed Green Force regarding my dissatisfaction with the Diamond Backup and they have inidcated that they are planning on releasing something new at DEMA this year. Just have to wait and see..............
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