Armadillo Sidemount Bungees

Drmike · 2nd March 2008, 10:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gilles)

The bungees are intended for wrapping around the valve handles. Without the proper valves, it doesn't work very easily unless you make changes to the bungee length, .

I dont know what the issue is. Mine is standard length (armadilo system, and armadillo CCR sidemount system)

I use any tank and dont bother worrying about swapping valves.

I just pull the bungee over the handle. (I dont twist/wrap around handles)

I jump in with them like that or rig them in the water

I dont find it hard getting them on or off in or out the water

maybe im just f_ckin talented

Ben made his own - but as you can see with bungees too long Al80s drag along the ground

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Drmike · 2nd March 2008, 11:30

dont know if you do this, but when removing in the water i unclip bottom clip and pull tank round before pulling bungee from handle

**Dsix36** · 2nd March 2008, 15:22

Here is a stupid question from a stupid newbie

When you guys are using the bungee, do you "feed" it through between the valve neck and LP hose or do you just pull it over the whole valve/regulator. I have heard of both ways and do not understand the reasoning why to pull it over, doesn't seem secure to me.

jiseson · 2nd March 2008, 15:53

DR's version per their manual:

Unclip the cylinder bungee cord from the shoulder D-ring and route the bungee
under the first-stage, around the tank neck, and re-clip it to the shoulder D-ring.

This keeps the cylinder close to your side, but not in your armpits."

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 2nd March 2008, 16:52

I've done something similar to Lance, and it works very well for me. I can remove and replace tanks in a second or two, which is great.

I start by buying my own bungee from a marine store instead of using the bungee that is supplied by either DR or Armadillo (I use slightly thinner gauge). I run this bungee from the center of the backplate (through the slits), and I tie small knots in it to keep it from slipping through the slits when pulling on the bungee. At the end of the bungee, instead of using the bungee as a loop for the valve, I added round rings that I also bought from a marine store (1.75 inch size). To the round rings, I tie the retrievel strap that goes to the shoulder d-rings.

Now, I just use standard configured stages for my bailout. I clip the slider bolt from the tank neck onto the round ring, which is fast, and then I clip the tails of the tank after (which I prefer to clipping the tails first). So, for example, to remove the tanks for climbing out onto a boat, I unclip the tails as I am approaching the boat. Then, I unclip the tops of the tanks and pass them up. Works like a charm, and is great to use when traveling because you can just use standard configured stage bottles if you rent.

Ben Field · 2nd March 2008, 20:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by richie)

well Ben would you leave the second stage bunged on the tank , or would you have it clipped to a hip d-ring ?.
cheers richie

I keep the 2nd stages up near the tank neck, the hose under a couple of snoppy loops on the tank, I can reach it with either hand in a panic or by flipping the bungie off the valve tap with my thumb the whole tank top half is easy to access and see as the tank can be laid right out in front of you- which makes handing the tank off easy, pass them the top end while you unclip the tail.

silent running · 2nd March 2008, 20:35

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

I dont know what the issue is. Mine is standard length (armadilo system, and armadillo CCR sidemount system)

I use any tank and dont bother worrying about swapping valves.

I just pull the bungee over the handle. (I dont twist/wrap around handles)

I jump in with them like that or rig them in the water

I dont find it hard getting them on or off in or out the water

This is my experience also, no problems jumping in with an aly 80 on either side with the bungee around the knob. The Armadillo bungees are the thickest ones I've seen and the cloth covering is made of very coarse thread, which probably keeps them from rolling around too much once they are under the knob.

jkaterenchuk · 2nd March 2008, 22:31

Any chance to post a picture or two?

John

Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami)

I've done something similar to Lance, and it works very well for me. I can remove and replace tanks in a second or two, which is great.

I start by buying my own bungee from a marine store instead of using the bungee that is supplied by either DR or Armadillo (I use slightly thinner gauge). I run this bungee from the center of the backplate (through the slits), and I tie small knots in it to keep it from slipping through the slits when pulling on the bungee. At the end of the bungee, instead of using the bungee as a loop for the valve, I added round rings that I also bought from a marine store (1.75 inch size). To the round rings, I tie the retrievel strap that goes to the shoulder d-rings.

Now, I just use standard configured stages for my bailout. I clip the slider bolt from the tank neck onto the round ring, which is fast, and then I clip the tails of the tank after (which I prefer to clipping the tails first). So, for example, to remove the tanks for climbing out onto a boat, I unclip the tails as I am approaching the boat. Then, I unclip the tops of the tanks and pass them up. Works like a charm, and is great to use when traveling because you can just use standard configured stage bottles if you rent.

**Dave Sutton** · 3rd March 2008, 01:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami)

At the end of the bungee, instead of using the bungee as a loop for the valve, I added round rings that I also bought from a marine store (1.75 inch size). To the round rings, I tie the retrievel strap that goes to the shoulder d-rings..

This is how I am rigging mine as well. Seems to make tremendous sense, especially in the high current boat environment. I am skitterish about unsnapping the ass clip and then needing to use both hands to manage something else at the exit, and the bungees on the valve alone at that critical time seem like a good way of bobbling the damned thing and dropping the stage at the ladder. Have seen it more than once with standard stages. Bye-Bye Bottles!

Q:

Using this system, Do you (personally) jump with the bottles only on the bungee, or do you pull them forward with the retrieval strap on the box and snap them to the chest D-Ring for the jump? If you do jump with them just on the bungee, *would* you make a 6 foot jump (our typical one here) that way with alu 80's?

What are you using for the retrieval strap?

Carrying 2 alu-80's (not scootering) are you running left and right, or both on left side (another reason to question using just the bungees for the jump is consideration of carriage of 2 bottles on one side).

Sutton

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diverklondike · 3rd March 2008, 01:19

Here are a couple thoughts based on my rig and practices...

1) I use a loop off of the backplate and have a double D-clip that clips to the loop and to a D-ring on my chest. This ensures that I can always find the loop by starting at the d-ring and running my hand to the double D-clip and then to the loop.

2) When entering the water on during an "anchored" ocean dive, I do typically have the top clip on my bottles clipped to my chest d-ring. I then unclip and slide them into the bungie loop at 20 ft or so.

3) On accent I typically clip off my bottles on an equipment line during deco.

Dave to your question.... If I am doing a dive that would require me to carry 2 AL 80's, I will most likely have my scooter with me and would clip one on either side. Regardless I am comfortable diving with one or two bottles on either side.

Please note that I do vary the above based on the conditions of the dive site etc...

Dive Safe...

Mark

2nd March 2008, 11:30	#12 (permalink)
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2nd March 2008, 15:22	#13 (permalink)
Dsix36 Going Down? Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Deerfield Beach, Florida Posts: 1,061	Re: Armadillo Sidemount Bungees Here is a stupid question from a stupid newbie When you guys are using the bungee, do you "feed" it through between the valve neck and LP hose or do you just pull it over the whole valve/regulator. I have heard of both ways and do not understand the reasoning why to pull it over, doesn't seem secure to me. __________________ THE MORE THAT I LEARN, THE MORE THAT I STILL NEED TO LEARN!!!!!!
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2nd March 2008, 15:53	#14 (permalink)
jiseson DSIX/O2PTIMA Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: long island,ny Posts: 560	Re: Armadillo Sidemount Bungees DR's version per their manual: Unclip the cylinder bungee cord from the shoulder D-ring and route the bungee under the first-stage, around the tank neck, and re-clip it to the shoulder D-ring. This keeps the cylinder close to your side, but not in your armpits." __________________ *Jonathan D Iseson*
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2nd March 2008, 16:52	#15 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,132	Re: Armadillo Sidemount Bungees I've done something similar to Lance, and it works very well for me. I can remove and replace tanks in a second or two, which is great. I start by buying my own bungee from a marine store instead of using the bungee that is supplied by either DR or Armadillo (I use slightly thinner gauge). I run this bungee from the center of the backplate (through the slits), and I tie small knots in it to keep it from slipping through the slits when pulling on the bungee. At the end of the bungee, instead of using the bungee as a loop for the valve, I added round rings that I also bought from a marine store (1.75 inch size). To the round rings, I tie the retrievel strap that goes to the shoulder d-rings. Now, I just use standard configured stages for my bailout. I clip the slider bolt from the tank neck onto the round ring, which is fast, and then I clip the tails of the tank after (which I prefer to clipping the tails first). So, for example, to remove the tanks for climbing out onto a boat, I unclip the tails as I am approaching the boat. Then, I unclip the tops of the tanks and pass them up. Works like a charm, and is great to use when traveling because you can just use standard configured stage bottles if you rent. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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2nd March 2008, 20:13	#16 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,621	Re: Armadillo Sidemount Bungees Quote: (Originally Posted by richie) well Ben would you leave the second stage bunged on the tank , or would you have it clipped to a hip d-ring ?. cheers richie I keep the 2nd stages up near the tank neck, the hose under a couple of snoppy loops on the tank, I can reach it with either hand in a panic or by flipping the bungie off the valve tap with my thumb the whole tank top half is easy to access and see as the tank can be laid right out in front of you- which makes handing the tank off easy, pass them the top end while you unclip the tail. __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer and RTFM! Beware Fridge Suck! www.hugsac.org.uk
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2nd March 2008, 20:35	#17 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,832	Re: Armadillo Sidemount Bungees Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) I dont know what the issue is. Mine is standard length (armadilo system, and armadillo CCR sidemount system) I use any tank and dont bother worrying about swapping valves. I just pull the bungee over the handle. (I dont twist/wrap around handles) I jump in with them like that or rig them in the water I dont find it hard getting them on or off in or out the water This is my experience also, no problems jumping in with an aly 80 on either side with the bungee around the knob. The Armadillo bungees are the thickest ones I've seen and the cloth covering is made of very coarse thread, which probably keeps them from rolling around too much once they are under the knob.
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2nd March 2008, 22:31	#18 (permalink)
jkaterenchuk . Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lititz, PA Posts: 827	Re: Armadillo Sidemount Bungees Any chance to post a picture or two? John Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami) I've done something similar to Lance, and it works very well for me. I can remove and replace tanks in a second or two, which is great. I start by buying my own bungee from a marine store instead of using the bungee that is supplied by either DR or Armadillo (I use slightly thinner gauge). I run this bungee from the center of the backplate (through the slits), and I tie small knots in it to keep it from slipping through the slits when pulling on the bungee. At the end of the bungee, instead of using the bungee as a loop for the valve, I added round rings that I also bought from a marine store (1.75 inch size). To the round rings, I tie the retrievel strap that goes to the shoulder d-rings. Now, I just use standard configured stages for my bailout. I clip the slider bolt from the tank neck onto the round ring, which is fast, and then I clip the tails of the tank after (which I prefer to clipping the tails first). So, for example, to remove the tanks for climbing out onto a boat, I unclip the tails as I am approaching the boat. Then, I unclip the tops of the tanks and pass them up. Works like a charm, and is great to use when traveling because you can just use standard configured stage bottles if you rent.
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3rd March 2008, 01:00	#19 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,672	Re: Armadillo Sidemount Bungees Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami) At the end of the bungee, instead of using the bungee as a loop for the valve, I added round rings that I also bought from a marine store (1.75 inch size). To the round rings, I tie the retrievel strap that goes to the shoulder d-rings.. This is how I am rigging mine as well. Seems to make tremendous sense, especially in the high current boat environment. I am skitterish about unsnapping the ass clip and then needing to use both hands to manage something else at the exit, and the bungees on the valve alone at that critical time seem like a good way of bobbling the damned thing and dropping the stage at the ladder. Have seen it more than once with standard stages. Bye-Bye Bottles! Q: Using this system, Do you (personally) jump with the bottles only on the bungee, or do you pull them forward with the retrieval strap on the box and snap them to the chest D-Ring for the jump? If you do jump with them just on the bungee, would you make a 6 foot jump (our typical one here) that way with alu 80's? What are you using for the retrieval strap? Carrying 2 alu-80's (not scootering) are you running left and right, or both on left side (another reason to question using just the bungees for the jump is consideration of carriage of 2 bottles on one side). Sutton . __________________ "Changes in Lattitudes, Changes in Attitudes, Nothing remains quite the same".... www.nobubblediving.com Last edited by Dave Sutton : 3rd March 2008 at 01:02.
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3rd March 2008, 01:19	#20 (permalink)
diverklondike Just one of the Peasants Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,613	Re: Armadillo Sidemount Bungees Here are a couple thoughts based on my rig and practices... 1) I use a loop off of the backplate and have a double D-clip that clips to the loop and to a D-ring on my chest. This ensures that I can always find the loop by starting at the d-ring and running my hand to the double D-clip and then to the loop. 2) When entering the water on during an "anchored" ocean dive, I do typically have the top clip on my bottles clipped to my chest d-ring. I then unclip and slide them into the bungie loop at 20 ft or so. 3) On accent I typically clip off my bottles on an equipment line during deco. Dave to your question.... If I am doing a dive that would require me to carry 2 AL 80's, I will most likely have my scooter with me and would clip one on either side. Regardless I am comfortable diving with one or two bottles on either side. Please note that I do vary the above based on the conditions of the dive site etc... Dive Safe... Mark
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