Vr3 Vs. X1

tdzao · 14th December 2007, 18:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by curt)

I'm really interested in the X1, but it's useless to me at the moment, since there is no way to get the software onto it without using Micro Windows (and I just refuse to do business with convicted felons).
I don't even care about running the software on a laptop or desktop - just give me the ability to update the X1 with Solaris, Linux, Mac OS (how about a java app to load the software?).

Some X1 customers use Macs, and ran Windows on their Mac. If you don't even want that, the X1 attachment can be configured to run as a Virtual COM port, eliminating the need for the Windows USB driver. Code to load programs into the X1 is freely available and can be compiled under any operating system. However, not all software packages can be installed that way. For example, the free Liquivision bottom timer software could be installed with the free downloader code on any OS, but V-Planner Live is heavily encrypted and currently requires using the Windows/USB setup to install. Future software packages may require or allow different installation setups.

Eric Fattah
Liquivision Products

jderman · 14th December 2007, 21:17

I really like what I've seen/read about this machine, however in considering this and the shearwater pursuit as options to replace my VR£, I would really like to see some pO2 monitioring features. 4th cell monitoring would be great! Does anyone know if this is in the works?

tdzao · 14th December 2007, 22:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by jderman)

I really like what I've seen/read about this machine, however in considering this and the shearwater pursuit as options to replace my VR£, I would really like to see some pO2 monitioring features. 4th cell monitoring would be great! Does anyone know if this is in the works?

The X1 O2 link should appear at DEMA '08.

Eric Fattah
Liquivision Products

**UWSojourner** · 14th December 2007, 22:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by tdzao)

The X1 O2 link should appear at DEMA '08.

Eric Fattah
Liquivision Products

Will it integrate into the currently shipping X1's?

RebreatherNut · 14th December 2007, 22:31

And what is the price difference between the VR3 and the X1??

tdzao · 14th December 2007, 22:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by UWSojourner)

Will it integrate into the currently shipping X1's?

All X1's have the same hardware expansion interface. The O2 link or other hardware add-on modules can all be used with any X1, regardless of when it was shipped.

Eric Fattah
Liquivision Products

Frankie Pellegrino · 14th December 2007, 23:54

[quote=mbelair;157035]In my mind, there is no contest. The X-1 is way superior to the VR-3.

First thanks for the report. It’s very obvious that the X1 screen and tables are better. I must admit I love TRUE VPM tables better then the VR3 VPM tables…..But…..Over the years I’ve gotten the niggles far to many times so I welcome the VPM tables that the Boris VR3 has given me. Maybe I should have just cut my hard tables with a little conservatism in the past. I also go on record as saying that Delta “P” customer service is one of the best,……..And I live on the other side of the pond! I guess the e-mail way is not the way to get a response from them. Sorry you had that experience. In the future I would call direct.
Now the question I want to know why would you go out on a limb and state that’s the computer to buy when it’s not proven and tested ( BY the masses). Please …Please ….realize I’m not trying to make this a pissing match. I want to here your thoughts!! I’m not a dive shop owner or in bed with ANY company…..I’m in the market for another CCR dive computer….I just don’t want to deal with all the B.S. that goes with buying a brand new ($1500.00 to $2000.00) product… I think it’s fair to say almost all new products rebreathers/computers have some sort of defect/upgrade once they hit the mainstream. How many dives do you / Friends have on the X1?
I would buy one tomorrow if I felt it was bullet proof.
I a-wait to here from you.
Cheers Frankie

mbelair · 15th December 2007, 00:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Frankie Pellegrino)

How many dives do you / Friends have on the X1?
I would buy one tomorrow if I felt it was bullet proof.
I a-wait to here from you.
Cheers Frankie

At this point I would say 10 dives. The point that gives me a lot of confidence in the machine is that when compared to the tables generated by V-Planner, one equals the other.

Does it mean that the computer is bullet proof, that it is the computer for you or that I am mister diver extraordinaire? Certainly not.

What I see (hum, perceive?) is a computer that seems to be holding up it's promises.

I have tried many times to plan my dive with the V-Planner tables (VPM B/E at +3) and dive the VR-3 and it would NEVER work out.

I cut my tables on V-Planner with the conservatism that I choose to dive, set the computer to the same level and it works.

That's it. That's my level of expertise with the machine, excuse my enthousiasm if I expressed it too loudly.

I have not tried the GAP version.

mverick · 15th December 2007, 03:47

Only thing I'd like to see on the x1 is a changeable battery and time in the water.

The potted battery was a deal breaker for me. I'll stick with my Shearwater.

Mdemon · 15th December 2007, 10:27

LOL! One of the things I liked was the rechargeable battery because of the number of times batteries have failed on me underwater. You can please some of the people some of the time...

Time in the water is a good point; I think the proof of the pudding for both hardware and software will be when there a many units having done lots of dives. I'm optimistic so far, although I'm setting mine to +5 until I'm sure of the algorithm.

Quote: (Originally Posted by mverick)

Only thing I'd like to see on the x1 is a changeable battery and time in the water.

The potted battery was a deal breaker for me. I'll stick with my Shearwater.

14th December 2007, 18:09	#11 (permalink)
tdzao New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 46	Re: Vr3 Vs. X1 Quote: (Originally Posted by curt) I'm really interested in the X1, but it's useless to me at the moment, since there is no way to get the software onto it without using Micro Windows (and I just refuse to do business with convicted felons). I don't even care about running the software on a laptop or desktop - just give me the ability to update the X1 with Solaris, Linux, Mac OS (how about a java app to load the software?). Some X1 customers use Macs, and ran Windows on their Mac. If you don't even want that, the X1 attachment can be configured to run as a Virtual COM port, eliminating the need for the Windows USB driver. Code to load programs into the X1 is freely available and can be compiled under any operating system. However, not all software packages can be installed that way. For example, the free Liquivision bottom timer software could be installed with the free downloader code on any OS, but V-Planner Live is heavily encrypted and currently requires using the Windows/USB setup to install. Future software packages may require or allow different installation setups. Eric Fattah Liquivision Products
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14th December 2007, 21:17	#12 (permalink)
jderman New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 8	Re: Vr3 Vs. X1 I really like what I've seen/read about this machine, however in considering this and the shearwater pursuit as options to replace my VR£, I would really like to see some pO2 monitioring features. 4th cell monitoring would be great! Does anyone know if this is in the works?
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14th December 2007, 22:16	#13 (permalink)
tdzao New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 46	Re: Vr3 Vs. X1 Quote: (Originally Posted by jderman) I really like what I've seen/read about this machine, however in considering this and the shearwater pursuit as options to replace my VR£, I would really like to see some pO2 monitioring features. 4th cell monitoring would be great! Does anyone know if this is in the works? The X1 O2 link should appear at DEMA '08. Eric Fattah Liquivision Products
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14th December 2007, 22:29	#14 (permalink)
UWSojourner Pacific Northwest Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 556	Re: Vr3 Vs. X1 Quote: (Originally Posted by tdzao) The X1 O2 link should appear at DEMA '08. Eric Fattah Liquivision Products Will it integrate into the currently shipping X1's?
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14th December 2007, 22:31	#15 (permalink)
RebreatherNut Rebreather World Greeter Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Ray Other Rebreather/s: Ray Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 673	Re: Vr3 Vs. X1 And what is the price difference between the VR3 and the X1?? __________________ "One minute to go, Luck-meister! Then I'll be down on you like a buzzard on a gut wagon." - ALF
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14th December 2007, 22:34	#16 (permalink)
tdzao New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 46	Re: Vr3 Vs. X1 Quote: (Originally Posted by UWSojourner) Will it integrate into the currently shipping X1's? All X1's have the same hardware expansion interface. The O2 link or other hardware add-on modules can all be used with any X1, regardless of when it was shipped. Eric Fattah Liquivision Products
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14th December 2007, 23:54	#17 (permalink)
Frankie Pellegrino Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NYC New York Posts: 133	Re: Vr3 Vs. X1 [quote=mbelair;157035]In my mind, there is no contest. The X-1 is way superior to the VR-3. First thanks for the report. It’s very obvious that the X1 screen and tables are better. I must admit I love TRUE VPM tables better then the VR3 VPM tables…..But…..Over the years I’ve gotten the niggles far to many times so I welcome the VPM tables that the Boris VR3 has given me. Maybe I should have just cut my hard tables with a little conservatism in the past. I also go on record as saying that Delta “P” customer service is one of the best,……..And I live on the other side of the pond! I guess the e-mail way is not the way to get a response from them. Sorry you had that experience. In the future I would call direct. Now the question I want to know why would you go out on a limb and state that’s the computer to buy when it’s not proven and tested ( BY the masses). Please …Please ….realize I’m not trying to make this a pissing match. I want to here your thoughts!! I’m not a dive shop owner or in bed with ANY company…..I’m in the market for another CCR dive computer….I just don’t want to deal with all the B.S. that goes with buying a brand new ($1500.00 to $2000.00) product… I think it’s fair to say almost all new products rebreathers/computers have some sort of defect/upgrade once they hit the mainstream. How many dives do you / Friends have on the X1? I would buy one tomorrow if I felt it was bullet proof. I a-wait to here from you. Cheers Frankie
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15th December 2007, 00:43	#18 (permalink)
mbelair New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 81	Re: Vr3 Vs. X1 Quote: (Originally Posted by Frankie Pellegrino) How many dives do you / Friends have on the X1? I would buy one tomorrow if I felt it was bullet proof. I a-wait to here from you. Cheers Frankie At this point I would say 10 dives. The point that gives me a lot of confidence in the machine is that when compared to the tables generated by V-Planner, one equals the other. Does it mean that the computer is bullet proof, that it is the computer for you or that I am mister diver extraordinaire? Certainly not. What I see (hum, perceive?) is a computer that seems to be holding up it's promises. I have tried many times to plan my dive with the V-Planner tables (VPM B/E at +3) and dive the VR-3 and it would NEVER work out. I cut my tables on V-Planner with the conservatism that I choose to dive, set the computer to the same level and it works. That's it. That's my level of expertise with the machine, excuse my enthousiasm if I expressed it too loudly. I have not tried the GAP version. __________________ Marc
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15th December 2007, 03:47	#19 (permalink)
mverick ScubaPimp Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 492	Re: Vr3 Vs. X1 Only thing I'd like to see on the x1 is a changeable battery and time in the water. The potted battery was a deal breaker for me. I'll stick with my Shearwater.
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15th December 2007, 10:27	#20 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,866	Re: Vr3 Vs. X1 LOL! One of the things I liked was the rechargeable battery because of the number of times batteries have failed on me underwater. You can please some of the people some of the time... Time in the water is a good point; I think the proof of the pudding for both hardware and software will be when there a many units having done lots of dives. I'm optimistic so far, although I'm setting mine to +5 until I'm sure of the algorithm. Quote: (Originally Posted by mverick) Only thing I'd like to see on the x1 is a changeable battery and time in the water. The potted battery was a deal breaker for me. I'll stick with my Shearwater. __________________ www.southwestmafia.com
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