Integrated Pillar Valve / First Stage?

**Dave1w** · 14th February 2008, 08:57

I think they are available on ebay now

Dave

**Scott** · 14th February 2008, 09:01

The ones I found on ebay (just now) were all the piston style first/pillars.. not the diaphragm one..

silent running · 14th February 2008, 09:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by babar)

I met Craig onboard the nuatilus explorer. He had a great, super compact conversion made out of a ray, I believe. Did not see him have a single problem with it.

Ask him about his shark-calling technique

Surprised I didn't see this last Summer when you posted it.

Yes babar, Craig's shark calling technique has taken years off my life. He has a real knack for applying it in places where there are big animals who have never seen a human. I have sucessfully demonstrated the technique to several Indonesians and who never knew they had so many sharks in their area.

I have heard great things about the Ray conversion, sounds like the ultimate simple, cheap recreational MCCR. After running his own liveaboard in the middle of nowhere for almost 20 years, Craig is skeptical of all but the most simple and robust gear... -Andy

**Scott** · 14th February 2008, 21:55

I've found a source for them, =)

"They are not on our site. The RG3V is $160. Of course, you also get an extra 10% off until March 2, 2008. Give me a call at (800) 601-3483."- Phil Ellis Discount Scuba Gear at DiveSports.com - Buy Scuba Diving Equipment & Snorkeling Equipment

-Scott

Jimmer · 14th February 2008, 22:31

The Zeagle version can be pretty easily O2 cleaned. It's their standard "ReZort" piston first stage, turned 90 degrees with a tank neck thread. My instructor uses one for his O2 bottle for OC deco.

Jim

**Steve** · 15th February 2008, 05:10

How does one do a shut down and feather the valve?

**Scott** · 15th February 2008, 05:19

with the bright red knob... on the one I'm talking about

Jimmer · 15th February 2008, 12:10

Zeagle has an extended bigger knob for the Razor as well. I dont think they are marketing it yet, but we have a prototype on ours at the store, so I know they are being developed.

**kevin stone** · 16th February 2008, 12:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by Jimmer)

Zeagle has an extended bigger knob for the Razor as well. I dont think they are marketing it yet, but we have a prototype on ours at the store, so I know they are being developed.

Have you taken it apart yet to see how hard it would be to convert it to a fixed Ip?
Also could you shoot some pics and post them?
Can you weight it?
I dont want to get you in hot water with the manufacturer but they might not even be aware that this market exists.
thanks
kevin

jmhardingjr · 18th February 2008, 15:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by kevin stone)

Have you taken it apart yet to see how hard it would be to convert it to a fixed Ip?
Also could you shoot some pics and post them?
Can you weight it?
I dont want to get you in hot water with the manufacturer but they might not even be aware that this market exists.
thanks
kevin

I can't speak for the Razor, I've never had one in my hands. The H2Odyssey one with the diaphragm is quite simple to fix the IP on. If you take the diaphragm cover off and pull the diaphragm out, it has a plastic plunger underneath, just like many regs. Pull the plunger out, clip off the little plastic stem, and the reg is basically fixed IP. Done. With extreme depth you could theoretically see some creep of IP due to the compression of the air under the diaphragm, but I would bet that it would be too small to worry about.

The little diaphragm valve/first stage is so tiny that it makes me laugh. I can't understand why all rebreathers don't use this type of system. The Russians may have had it right all along.

Cheers,

Jay

14th February 2008, 08:57	#11 (permalink)
Dave1w Born Again Diver! Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Dolphin Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore / UK Posts: 343	Re: Integrated Pillar Valve / First Stage? I think they are available on ebay now Dave __________________ This message may contain spelling mistakes as it was generated by an idiot.
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14th February 2008, 09:01	#12 (permalink)
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14th February 2008, 09:07	#13 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,832	Re: Integrated Pillar Valve / First Stage? Quote: (Originally Posted by babar) I met Craig onboard the nuatilus explorer. He had a great, super compact conversion made out of a ray, I believe. Did not see him have a single problem with it. Ask him about his shark-calling technique Surprised I didn't see this last Summer when you posted it. Yes babar, Craig's shark calling technique has taken years off my life. He has a real knack for applying it in places where there are big animals who have never seen a human. I have sucessfully demonstrated the technique to several Indonesians and who never knew they had so many sharks in their area. I have heard great things about the Ray conversion, sounds like the ultimate simple, cheap recreational MCCR. After running his own liveaboard in the middle of nowhere for almost 20 years, Craig is skeptical of all but the most simple and robust gear... -Andy
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14th February 2008, 21:55	#14 (permalink)
Scott Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mendota, Virginia Posts: 171	Re: Integrated Pillar Valve / First Stage? I've found a source for them, =) "They are not on our site. The RG3V is $160. Of course, you also get an extra 10% off until March 2, 2008. Give me a call at (800) 601-3483."- Phil Ellis Discount Scuba Gear at DiveSports.com - Buy Scuba Diving Equipment & Snorkeling Equipment -Scott
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14th February 2008, 22:31	#15 (permalink)
Jimmer New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 72	Re: Integrated Pillar Valve / First Stage? The Zeagle version can be pretty easily O2 cleaned. It's their standard "ReZort" piston first stage, turned 90 degrees with a tank neck thread. My instructor uses one for his O2 bottle for OC deco. Jim
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15th February 2008, 05:19	#17 (permalink)
Scott Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mendota, Virginia Posts: 171	Re: Integrated Pillar Valve / First Stage? with the bright red knob... on the one I'm talking about Last edited by Scott : 15th February 2008 at 05:21. Reason: edit - that sounds harsh.. im not trying to be... sorry =)
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15th February 2008, 12:10	#18 (permalink)
Jimmer New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 72	Re: Integrated Pillar Valve / First Stage? Zeagle has an extended bigger knob for the Razor as well. I dont think they are marketing it yet, but we have a prototype on ours at the store, so I know they are being developed.
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16th February 2008, 12:14	#19 (permalink)
kevin stone Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: us ct. Posts: 215	Re: Integrated Pillar Valve / First Stage? Quote: (Originally Posted by Jimmer) Zeagle has an extended bigger knob for the Razor as well. I dont think they are marketing it yet, but we have a prototype on ours at the store, so I know they are being developed. Have you taken it apart yet to see how hard it would be to convert it to a fixed Ip? Also could you shoot some pics and post them? Can you weight it? I dont want to get you in hot water with the manufacturer but they might not even be aware that this market exists. thanks kevin
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18th February 2008, 15:37	#20 (permalink)
jmhardingjr Son of a Sailor Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: . . . this one particular harbor . . . Posts: 196	Re: Integrated Pillar Valve / First Stage? Quote: (Originally Posted by kevin stone) Have you taken it apart yet to see how hard it would be to convert it to a fixed Ip? Also could you shoot some pics and post them? Can you weight it? I dont want to get you in hot water with the manufacturer but they might not even be aware that this market exists. thanks kevin I can't speak for the Razor, I've never had one in my hands. The H2Odyssey one with the diaphragm is quite simple to fix the IP on. If you take the diaphragm cover off and pull the diaphragm out, it has a plastic plunger underneath, just like many regs. Pull the plunger out, clip off the little plastic stem, and the reg is basically fixed IP. Done. With extreme depth you could theoretically see some creep of IP due to the compression of the air under the diaphragm, but I would bet that it would be too small to worry about. The little diaphragm valve/first stage is so tiny that it makes me laugh. I can't understand why all rebreathers don't use this type of system. The Russians may have had it right all along. Cheers, Jay __________________ ". . . the sea's in my veins, my tradition remains, I'm just glad I don't live in a trailer . . ."
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