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Old 22nd December 2011, 15:44   #1 (permalink)
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Advice for a newbie

Hi All

First time post, looking for some words of wisdom. I'm looking at getting a 2nd hand Inspiration (Classic), anything in particular I should be looking out for when buying. Aside from the obvious service history, pos/neg test?

One thing on my mind is whether it really makes a difference whether the unit was previously owned by a smoker, any thoughts?

Obviously I will be sending the unit back to AP for a service before training.

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Old 22nd December 2011, 18:34   #2 (permalink)
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Hi All

First time post, looking for some words of wisdom. I'm looking at getting a 2nd hand Inspiration (Classic), anything in particular I should be looking out for when buying. Aside from the obvious service history, pos/neg test?

One thing on my mind is whether it really makes a difference whether the unit was previously owned by a smoker, any thoughts?

Obviously I will be sending the unit back to AP for a service before training.

Thanks

Stu
Any chance you could get the owner to have it serviced and you pay the difference? I recall wire harness replacement can be quite pricey. If the electricals are all working most other servicing should be fairly straight forward.
The old classis is a good choice for low cost basic CCR.
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Old 22nd December 2011, 19:48   #3 (permalink)
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....One thing on my mind is whether it really makes a difference whether the unit was previously owned by a smoker, any thoughts?
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Excellent question. Can someone elaborate on the previous rebreather diver smoking? This would constitute 3rd hand smoking.
from Lowell Dale, M.D.

Third-hand smoke is generally considered to be residual nicotine and other chemicals left on a variety of indoor surfaces by tobacco smoke. This residue is thought to react with common indoor pollutants to create a toxic mix. This toxic mix of third-hand smoke contains cancer-causing substances, posing a potential health hazard to nonsmokers who are exposed to it, especially children.

Studies show that third-hand smoke clings to hair, skin, clothes, furniture, drapes, walls, bedding, carpets, dust, vehicles and other surfaces, even long after smoking has stopped. Infants, children and nonsmoking adults may be at risk of tobacco-related health problems when they inhale, ingest or touch substances containing third-hand smoke. Third-hand smoke is a relatively new concept, and researchers are still studying its possible dangers.

Third-hand smoke residue builds up on surfaces over time and resists normal cleaning. Third-hand smoke can't be eliminated by airing out rooms, opening windows, using fans or air conditioners, or confining smoking to only certain areas of a home. Third-hand smoke remains long after smoking has stopped. In contrast, second-hand smoke is the smoke and other airborne products that come from being close to burning tobacco products, such as cigarettes.

The only way to protect nonsmokers from third-hand smoke is to create a smoke-free environment, whether that's your private home or vehicle, or in public places, such as hotels and restaurants.
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Old 22nd December 2011, 20:37   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Advice for a newbie

Hi,

i bought an Inspiration from a heavy smoker and i was clearly smelling / tasting it.
The smell / taste faded out over time but at the end i replaced the counterlungs and hoses which is not too expensive.
After that everything was fine.
The DSV, scrubber and fittings can be cleaned but not the lungs and hoses.

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Old 23rd December 2011, 00:59   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Advice for a newbie

If it was a smoker that had it, and you are a bit unsure about it, and it being a classic, dual handset, why not look around for another vision or evo plus? Unless your getting a great price on the deal, kind of like buying a car not really liking the colour and it has been smoked in, lots of cleaning and extra money that could be avoided unnecessarily Just food for thought, Anyhow welcome to the dark side!!!
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Hi,

i bought an Inspiration from a heavy smoker and i was clearly smelling / tasting it.
The smell / taste faded out over time but at the end i replaced the counterlungs and hoses which is not too expensive.
After that everything was fine.
The DSV, scrubber and fittings can be cleaned but not the lungs and hoses.

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This gives me the heebee geebees just thinking about tasting it while breathing. The blue book value goes way down with smoke in the car!!
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Re: Advice for a newbie

A freshly serviced unit for sure would be the best way to go.
Maybe you want to stick around for a while.
Usually there are a lot of classics traded and quite often you see them offered newely serviced..
Then you are sure all is ok..

If you wann go for the unit at hand at least you should check the handsets for cracks..
unscrew the front cover and then you can pull of the rest of the cover..
The actual handsets are clear, so you can check if there was/is any moisture inside..
If you find something there I would clearly insist on a service.. Cracked handsets are not a biggie, but needs to be done.. the handset shells as well as microswitch outside of the potted modules is a standard service item on a full (vs. basic) lid service and costs around 180 GBP..

Another thing you should check is that the modules are in a working order.. Is the backlight working well? Check for scrolling screen as well..
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Re: Advice for a newbie

Cheers guys, all useful advice.

Would love to go for Vision but looking for a cost effective entry into rebreather diving and I think the Classic gives me the best option.

If anyone knows of a unit in the UK that is for sale then feel free to PM me.

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cost effective entry into rebreather diving and I think the Classic gives me the best option.
Hi Stu

'Cost effective' should also consider ongoing running costs. The inspo paddle handsets are well known for their problems, as are AP for charging over and over again to keep them running.

One of my dive buddy's just had to send his head back for the 3rd x. first was his fault, so a rewiring, new handsets job was done.

Then they flooded a few months later, due to over-tightening of the handset screws. Seeing as AP does this, they decided to not cover it under warranty.

One flooded again, just 12 months after the second rebuild and replacement of cracked parts. Again, cracking around over-tightened screws. He treats the unit like eggs. And felt like he was

Add shipping back and forth to home, and the box they send the head in, and it gets a bit pricey! It may be cheaper in the long run to get something more reliable.

That's for those who are unlucky and appear to have a Friday PM unit. I also know others who treat their inspo like crap and it just keeps going year after year.

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This gives me the heebee geebees just thinking about tasting it while breathing. The blue book value goes way down with smoke in the car!!
What about a pot smoker owned unit? Does the blue book value go way up?

This thread has given me the dry heaves!
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