Need ideas for attaching bailout bottles

chris@deepdiving.us · 23rd November 2006, 13:06

I (and 2 friends) just got our new PRISMs last month. We are still doing our shakedown dives with then. We primarily dive deep at Lake Tahoe (6228 surface elev.) in "colder" (~39 deg in winter) water. Yes, its still fun . . . .

Anyway, we have gotten the Grey Wolf stainless steel back plates so carry the drysuit bottles and distribute some weight and we are trying to figure out how to create attachment points to carry at least 2 80 cu ft bailout bottles - especially the high clips at the shoulders. The little rings on the counterlungs are not big/sturdy enough. If we run a separate harness under the lungs the D-rings are underneath the lungs - hard to get to. If we run the harness "through" the lungs (in through the weight pocket area), the strap runs over the weight pocket and the D-ring is now inside the zipper - out of reach. Obviously we can't run a harness over the lungs. We see no way of placing D-rings on the counterlungs.

So for heavy deco bailout bottles (2-3 - we're at altitude), where are people hanging their bottles, other than just a top hook off the waist.

Send ideas and pictures!! We are scratching our heads.

Mikel-Deko · 23rd November 2006, 13:21

Hi

I will try Armadillo system. Nothing arround lungs.

There's been a thread about this not long ago (Maybe last week).

Enjoy

Mikel

Stephane · 23rd November 2006, 13:21

Hello,

Have you considered side-mounting the bailout tanks?
Look at this: ArmadilloCCR sidemount kit

chris@deepdiving.us · 23rd November 2006, 13:28

Problem with side mounting (I presume you mean along the back plate) is (1) staging/unstaging, (2) being able to access them easily during the dive to tunr on/off gas, verify mix before gas switches on deco bailout . . .

Stephane · 23rd November 2006, 13:34

Why would you want to bailout for deco ???

Don't you deco on your loop?

Side mounting is not along the backplate, go to the GolemGear site and see the Armadillo in action, there are nice photos that help you understand how it works.

DaveC · 23rd November 2006, 14:06

Hi Chris,

Welcome to the board and congrats on the Prism.

With some little modification I was able to attach a reqular BP/Harness to my Prism via a similiar 5/16 bolt connection that you see commonly found on twins. The BP was flatened a bit so the only thing that is not flat is the channel on the BP. Using the Highland Mills D-Rings that kind of lay flat these sit under the CLs but do not interfer with function. Criss crossing the base attachment of the CL to the waist strap holds everything in place.

With this setup I'm able to carry BO bottles in a similiar fassion to the way I carried deco bottles when diving OC.

Hope this helps..

Quote: (Originally Posted by chris@deepdiving.us)

I (and 2 friends) just got our new PRISMs last month. We are still doing our shakedown dives with then. We primarily dive deep at Lake Tahoe (6228 surface elev.) in "colder" (~39 deg in winter) water. Yes, its still fun . . . .

Anyway, we have gotten the Grey Wolf stainless steel back plates so carry the drysuit bottles and distribute some weight and we are trying to figure out how to create attachment points to carry at least 2 80 cu ft bailout bottles - especially the high clips at the shoulders. The little rings on the counterlungs are not big/sturdy enough. If we run a separate harness under the lungs the D-rings are underneath the lungs - hard to get to. If we run the harness "through" the lungs (in through the weight pocket area), the strap runs over the weight pocket and the D-ring is now inside the zipper - out of reach. Obviously we can't run a harness over the lungs. We see no way of placing D-rings on the counterlungs.

So for heavy deco bailout bottles (2-3 - we're at altitude), where are people hanging their bottles, other than just a top hook off the waist.

Send ideas and pictures!! We are scratching our heads.

***Decodiver*** · 23rd November 2006, 14:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by chris@deepdiving.us)

Problem with side mounting (I presume you mean along the back plate) is (1) staging/unstaging, (2) being able to access them easily during the dive to tunr on/off gas, verify mix before gas switches on deco bailout . . .

Chris,

The Armadillo CCR butt plate is excellent for staging unstaging, you just pull it forward to check valves and regs etc, it is probably one of the best inventions to CCR diving in a long while.

Come to think of it I am going to post a poll.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

dive2dive2000 · 23rd November 2006, 17:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by chris@deepdiving.us)

I (and 2 friends) just got our new PRISMs last month. We are still doing our shakedown dives with then. We primarily dive deep at Lake Tahoe (6228 surface elev.) in "colder" (~39 deg in winter) water. Yes, its still fun . . . .

Anyway, we have gotten the Grey Wolf stainless steel back plates so carry the drysuit bottles and distribute some weight and we are trying to figure out how to create attachment points to carry at least 2 80 cu ft bailout bottles - especially the high clips at the shoulders. The little rings on the counterlungs are not big/sturdy enough. If we run a separate harness under the lungs the D-rings are underneath the lungs - hard to get to. If we run the harness "through" the lungs (in through the weight pocket area), the strap runs over the weight pocket and the D-ring is now inside the zipper - out of reach. Obviously we can't run a harness over the lungs. We see no way of placing D-rings on the counterlungs.

So for heavy deco bailout bottles (2-3 - we're at altitude), where are people hanging their bottles, other than just a top hook off the waist.

Send ideas and pictures!! We are scratching our heads.

Hi Chris

Congrats on your PRISM.

When I was diving the grey wolf plate I purchased Highland mill d-rings Link: Highland Advanced Diving Equipment Even though it was a bit of a pain I was still able to hook and unhook under the counter lung. The deep sea sideways rings I never liked because they dug into my arms. Once you start accumulating time it will become more comfortable and you will forget your lungs are there. I would not hang any bottle larger than a 30cu off of the lung. I personally dive my own custom plate now because I side mount my Bail out bottles. The Weber plate is a little over 15" wide and the side mount just did not work for me with that plate.

Hope this helps any questions feel free to post or PM Happy Thanksgiving and good luck

**JPJones** · 23rd November 2006, 17:39

Side mount is the best way to go. The new Dive Rite system wil mount up to your existing backplate with no problems. You can reach and turn on take off and pass with no problems. I have been using mine for a long time before it was released.

dive2dive2000 · 23rd November 2006, 17:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

Side mount is the best way to go. The new Dive Rite system wil mount up to your existing backplate with no problems. You can reach and turn on take off and pass with no problems. I have been using mine for a long time before it was released.

I agree 100% wish I was doing it with my deco bottles when I was diving OC.

The problem with the Grey wolf plate is the width and it also bends up and around so it was awkward to side-mount. The bottles will bang into the side of plate and never tuck under your arm. Once I switched over to a flat and narrower plate side mounting was unbelievable I will sling to 80,s and still reach around to make sure their still there! Like I said earlier wish I had learned this on OC

23rd November 2006, 13:06	#1 (permalink)
chris@deepdiving.us New Member Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reno / Lake Tahoe, USA Posts: 4	Need ideas for attaching bailout bottles I (and 2 friends) just got our new PRISMs last month. We are still doing our shakedown dives with then. We primarily dive deep at Lake Tahoe (6228 surface elev.) in "colder" (~39 deg in winter) water. Yes, its still fun . . . . Anyway, we have gotten the Grey Wolf stainless steel back plates so carry the drysuit bottles and distribute some weight and we are trying to figure out how to create attachment points to carry at least 2 80 cu ft bailout bottles - especially the high clips at the shoulders. The little rings on the counterlungs are not big/sturdy enough. If we run a separate harness under the lungs the D-rings are underneath the lungs - hard to get to. If we run the harness "through" the lungs (in through the weight pocket area), the strap runs over the weight pocket and the D-ring is now inside the zipper - out of reach. Obviously we can't run a harness over the lungs. We see no way of placing D-rings on the counterlungs. So for heavy deco bailout bottles (2-3 - we're at altitude), where are people hanging their bottles, other than just a top hook off the waist. Send ideas and pictures!! We are scratching our heads.
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23rd November 2006, 13:21	#2 (permalink)
Mikel-Deko Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Basque Country -Sp- Posts: 452	Re: Need ideas for attaching bailout bottles Hi I will try Armadillo system. Nothing arround lungs. There's been a thread about this not long ago (Maybe last week). Enjoy Mikel
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23rd November 2006, 13:21	#3 (permalink)
Stephane Stéphane Acounis Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 769	Re: Need ideas for attaching bailout bottles Hello, Have you considered side-mounting the bailout tanks? Look at this: ArmadilloCCR sidemount kit __________________ Stéphane
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23rd November 2006, 13:28	#4 (permalink)
chris@deepdiving.us New Member Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reno / Lake Tahoe, USA Posts: 4	Re: Need ideas for attaching bailout bottles Problem with side mounting (I presume you mean along the back plate) is (1) staging/unstaging, (2) being able to access them easily during the dive to tunr on/off gas, verify mix before gas switches on deco bailout . . . __________________ /s/ Chris Phipps Reno / Lake Tahoe rebreatherdiving.us deepdiving.us
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23rd November 2006, 13:34	#5 (permalink)
Stephane Stéphane Acounis Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 769	Re: Need ideas for attaching bailout bottles Why would you want to bailout for deco ??? Don't you deco on your loop? Side mounting is not along the backplate, go to the GolemGear site and see the Armadillo in action, there are nice photos that help you understand how it works. __________________ Stéphane
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23rd November 2006, 14:06	#6 (permalink)
DaveC New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario. Canada Posts: 192	Re: Need ideas for attaching bailout bottles Hi Chris, Welcome to the board and congrats on the Prism. With some little modification I was able to attach a reqular BP/Harness to my Prism via a similiar 5/16 bolt connection that you see commonly found on twins. The BP was flatened a bit so the only thing that is not flat is the channel on the BP. Using the Highland Mills D-Rings that kind of lay flat these sit under the CLs but do not interfer with function. Criss crossing the base attachment of the CL to the waist strap holds everything in place. With this setup I'm able to carry BO bottles in a similiar fassion to the way I carried deco bottles when diving OC. Hope this helps.. Quote: (Originally Posted by chris@deepdiving.us) I (and 2 friends) just got our new PRISMs last month. We are still doing our shakedown dives with then. We primarily dive deep at Lake Tahoe (6228 surface elev.) in "colder" (~39 deg in winter) water. Yes, its still fun . . . . Anyway, we have gotten the Grey Wolf stainless steel back plates so carry the drysuit bottles and distribute some weight and we are trying to figure out how to create attachment points to carry at least 2 80 cu ft bailout bottles - especially the high clips at the shoulders. The little rings on the counterlungs are not big/sturdy enough. If we run a separate harness under the lungs the D-rings are underneath the lungs - hard to get to. If we run the harness "through" the lungs (in through the weight pocket area), the strap runs over the weight pocket and the D-ring is now inside the zipper - out of reach. Obviously we can't run a harness over the lungs. We see no way of placing D-rings on the counterlungs. So for heavy deco bailout bottles (2-3 - we're at altitude), where are people hanging their bottles, other than just a top hook off the waist. Send ideas and pictures!! We are scratching our heads. __________________ Dave Any day in the water is better then any day in the office.
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23rd November 2006, 14:39	#7 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,181	Re: Need ideas for attaching bailout bottles Quote: (Originally Posted by chris@deepdiving.us) Problem with side mounting (I presume you mean along the back plate) is (1) staging/unstaging, (2) being able to access them easily during the dive to tunr on/off gas, verify mix before gas switches on deco bailout . . . Chris, The Armadillo CCR butt plate is excellent for staging unstaging, you just pull it forward to check valves and regs etc, it is probably one of the best inventions to CCR diving in a long while. Come to think of it I am going to post a poll. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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23rd November 2006, 17:31	#8 (permalink)
dive2dive2000 PRISM DIVER & LUVIN IT! Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 788	Re: Need ideas for attaching bailout bottles Quote: (Originally Posted by chris@deepdiving.us) I (and 2 friends) just got our new PRISMs last month. We are still doing our shakedown dives with then. We primarily dive deep at Lake Tahoe (6228 surface elev.) in "colder" (~39 deg in winter) water. Yes, its still fun . . . . Anyway, we have gotten the Grey Wolf stainless steel back plates so carry the drysuit bottles and distribute some weight and we are trying to figure out how to create attachment points to carry at least 2 80 cu ft bailout bottles - especially the high clips at the shoulders. The little rings on the counterlungs are not big/sturdy enough. If we run a separate harness under the lungs the D-rings are underneath the lungs - hard to get to. If we run the harness "through" the lungs (in through the weight pocket area), the strap runs over the weight pocket and the D-ring is now inside the zipper - out of reach. Obviously we can't run a harness over the lungs. We see no way of placing D-rings on the counterlungs. So for heavy deco bailout bottles (2-3 - we're at altitude), where are people hanging their bottles, other than just a top hook off the waist. Send ideas and pictures!! We are scratching our heads. Hi Chris Congrats on your PRISM. When I was diving the grey wolf plate I purchased Highland mill d-rings Link: Highland Advanced Diving Equipment Even though it was a bit of a pain I was still able to hook and unhook under the counter lung. The deep sea sideways rings I never liked because they dug into my arms. Once you start accumulating time it will become more comfortable and you will forget your lungs are there. I would not hang any bottle larger than a 30cu off of the lung. I personally dive my own custom plate now because I side mount my Bail out bottles. The Weber plate is a little over 15" wide and the side mount just did not work for me with that plate. Hope this helps any questions feel free to post or PM Happy Thanksgiving and good luck __________________ Safe Diving, Martin Last edited by dive2dive2000 : 23rd November 2006 at 17:33.
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23rd November 2006, 17:39	#9 (permalink)
JPJones O2ptima Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 367	Re: Need ideas for attaching bailout bottles Side mount is the best way to go. The new Dive Rite system wil mount up to your existing backplate with no problems. You can reach and turn on take off and pass with no problems. I have been using mine for a long time before it was released. __________________ NSS/CDS Training Chairman www.jpjscuba.com
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23rd November 2006, 17:57	#10 (permalink)
dive2dive2000 PRISM DIVER & LUVIN IT! Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 788	Re: Need ideas for attaching bailout bottles Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) Side mount is the best way to go. The new Dive Rite system wil mount up to your existing backplate with no problems. You can reach and turn on take off and pass with no problems. I have been using mine for a long time before it was released. I agree 100% wish I was doing it with my deco bottles when I was diving OC. The problem with the Grey wolf plate is the width and it also bends up and around so it was awkward to side-mount. The bottles will bang into the side of plate and never tuck under your arm. Once I switched over to a flat and narrower plate side mounting was unbelievable I will sling to 80,s and still reach around to make sure their still there! Like I said earlier wish I had learned this on OC __________________ Safe Diving, Martin
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