Hollis Rebreather = The PRISM 2

DivnSapper · 18th October 2007, 09:03

Very interesting development for the Hollis Rebreather... Nick Hollis sent out an email to those that registered on his site... here it is:

Quote:

Welcome to the release of the hottest line of scuba gear to hit the market. Hollis is proud to announce our debut and we look forward to the opportunity to present an in-depth look at our new product line at this year’s Dema. We are inviting everyone to visit us at the show as the Hollis team will be in attendance to offer a complete overview and answer any questions you might have.

Dealers! If you are already an Oceanic or Aeris dealer and would like to schedule an appointment please let us know. Otherwise stop by the booth or contact us after the show for further dealer information. We will have much more to discuss at that time.

Thanks for your interest in Hollis and we look forward to seeing everyone at the show!

Info@hollisgear.com
www.HollisGear.com

HOLLIS PRISM 2 – ALL DEALERS WELCOME!
Get a closer look at the newest development in Rebreather technology:TheHollis PRISM 2 will be on display as Peter Readey, the inventor of this machine, will give you a complete understanding of how it works and what is new.
Date: Time: Location:
FRIDAY 11/2 10:30 – 12:00 Convention Center S220E

So does this mean that Steam Machines is partnered/bought out/etc by or with Hollis?

Anyways... a very Interesting Development.

Ryan

***diverklondike*** · 18th October 2007, 10:35

A very interesting development indeed... With out a doubt the future success of the CCR marketplace will heavily be based on companies being able to simplify the rig for the Rec. market place. You would expect that Oceanic would be leading the charge in this direction. The question is will some new version of the prism be able to accomplish this.

Can't wait for DEMA!!

Mark

***caveseeker7*** · 18th October 2007, 11:05

Actually, someone wanna tell Hollis it was the PRISM II with Cochran,
before it became PRISM Topaz, as seen in the 1995 picture below.

How about the ... Phibrismian?!

***diverklondike*** · 18th October 2007, 11:08

Now that IS funny!!! I may have to print that one out and drop it off at the Hollis booth...

Drmike · 18th October 2007, 11:56

personaly Id like to see far less unit suppliers.

So intead of having a whole heap of poorly funded cheapy made poorly tested units made to low (or no) standards all fighting for market share on cost we may be more likely to have a few decent quality units.

I suspect this new unit will just be more of the same old cheap crap were used to

(runs away and hides)

Recreational rebreather? Killing machines.

iain-hsm · 19th October 2007, 10:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

personaly Id like to see far less unit suppliers.

So intead of having a whole heap of poorly funded cheapy made poorly tested units made to low (or no) standards all fighting for market share on cost we may be more likely to have a few decent quality units.

I suspect this new unit will just be more of the same old cheap crap were used to

(runs away and hides)

Recreational rebreather? Killing machines.

Mike.
Steady on, rather than run and hide, why not stand back or just hike up the big (Capitol) Hill and look back it will all make perfectly good sense if you do. The Big Picture:

It makes perfect sense for Peter and Oc3anic to get together, The Prism passed the USN navy requirement years ago, and Oc3anic already have other albeit entry level products with military but need a bigger military presence. The real intension IMHO will be to offer USN next generation NGUBA rebreather product and the spin off even if not taken up by USN will be a commercial sports version. (Just like the Sentinel?)

Incidentally IMHO this is the same reason why you have Inspiration and not Trojan and why we have the (latest Royal Navy reject) now call the Sentinel, because the Royal Navy have gone for the Stealth, a better product with better support.

By getting together Peter offers up a solid rebreather design and Oc3anic gets to offer the QA and big company muscles needed to support products in the field. Also both parties get to offer a rebreather design up to the Navy. The USN from the political point could just about see this as a way out of the political dilemma. Need a rebreather want to buy American but need support, while considering the budget?

They didn’t buy the French (Frogs/Crabs) system because it’s French, and since the French are not supporting the war on terrorism, (you get the picture,) even with “Aqualungs” American credentials. They dropped U.S. Divers and lost the plot.

They don’t want to continue the contract with Carlton because of contractual differences with the suppliers, and the Divex Stealth system didn’t pass only because of minor design and operational requirements, Oh and it was British, and better than anything they had ever seen before.

So in summary:
1. US Navy gets another American manufactured Product
2. Oceanic get a stab at a big military contract
3. Peter gets a great contract with Oceanic either way he retires rich.
4. Oceanic get a great engineer with Peter who can make the difference either way sports or military.

The one thing I cant understand is more serious, When you get involved in military rebreathers there comes a point where in the risk assessment you have to address product risk, and conclude they can have no place or use with the pubic. To date there has been no company that has offered military rebreathers to the public. I look with interest at Oceanic.

Drmike · 19th October 2007, 11:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by iain-hsm)

Mike.
Steady on, rather than run and hide, why not stand back or just hike up the big (Capitol) Hill and look back it will all make perfectly good sense if you do. The Big Picture:

It makes perfect sense for Peter and Oc3anic to get together, The Prism passed the USN navy requirement years ago, and Oc3anic already have other albeit entry level products with military but need a bigger military presence. The real intension IMHO will be to offer USN next generation NGUBA rebreather product and the spin off even if not taken up by USN will be a commercial sports version. (Just like the Sentinel?)

Incidentally IMHO this is the same reason why you have Inspiration and not Trojan and why we have the (latest Royal Navy reject) now call the Sentinel, because the Royal Navy have gone for the Stealth, a better product with better support.

By getting together Peter offers up a solid rebreather design and Oc3anic gets to offer the QA and big company muscles needed to support products in the field. Also both parties get to offer a rebreather design up to the Navy. The USN from the political point could just about see this as a way out of the political dilemma. Need a rebreather want to buy American but need support, while considering the budget?

They didn’t buy the French (Frogs/Crabs) system because it’s French, and since the French are not supporting the war on terrorism, (you get the picture,) even with “Aqualungs” American credentials. They dropped U.S. Divers and lost the plot.

They don’t want to continue the contract with Carlton because of contractual differences with the suppliers, and the Divex Stealth system didn’t pass only because of minor design and operational requirements, Oh and it was British, and better than anything they had ever seen before.

So in summary:
1. US Navy gets another American manufactured Product
2. Oceanic get a stab at a big military contract
3. Peter gets a great contract with Oceanic either way he retires rich.
4. Oceanic get a great engineer with Peter who can make the difference either way sports or military.

The one thing I cant understand is more serious, When you get involved in military rebreathers there comes a point where in the risk assessment you have to address product risk, and conclude they can have no place or use with the pubic. To date there has been no company that has offered military rebreathers to the public. I look with interest at Oceanic.

makes sense when you put it that way. my previous company used to, well still do, supply eod cutting systems to military, we designed it with dra uk. so I know the joys of dev something and hoping to win mil contracts!. :-) great if you win :-)

iain-hsm · 19th October 2007, 12:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

makes sense when you put it that way. my previous company used to, well still do, supply eod cutting systems to military, we designed it with dra uk. so I know the joys of dev something and hoping to win mil contracts!. :-) great if you win :-)

This is all since we all went away from the AQAP system were the designers were paid to design and the product design was kept within the military, but the governments got to pay all the all up development cost.

Now with the new COTS (commercial off the shelf system) individual companies have to pay for the development and the navy in this case get to choose product A, B, or C etc.

The shameful result is now because of competative tendering with three or more companies bidding for each product if and when the other two failed bid individual companies bids do fail, what do you do with your developed product?

A. Blow it, sell it to any foreign governments that may be interested.
B. Approach is: remove the sensitive safety parts and sell it to the scubeedoos.
C. Do nothing go out of business.
D. Next time get a better congressman

***caveseeker7*** · 19th October 2007, 14:36

Well, Iain, if what you say is true, maybe we luck out and get MK15.5s after all.

jbpccr · 19th October 2007, 15:37

Has anyone heard whether there will be ongoing support for the Prism Topaz? I know DEMA 07 will be the unveiling of the next generation, so we'll have to wait. Just thought I'd ask since I dive a Topaz.

18th October 2007, 09:03	#1 (permalink)
DivnSapper New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Qatar Posts: 86	Hollis Rebreather = The PRISM 2 Very interesting development for the Hollis Rebreather... Nick Hollis sent out an email to those that registered on his site... here it is: Quote: Welcome to the release of the hottest line of scuba gear to hit the market. Hollis is proud to announce our debut and we look forward to the opportunity to present an in-depth look at our new product line at this year’s Dema. We are inviting everyone to visit us at the show as the Hollis team will be in attendance to offer a complete overview and answer any questions you might have. Dealers! If you are already an Oceanic or Aeris dealer and would like to schedule an appointment please let us know. Otherwise stop by the booth or contact us after the show for further dealer information. We will have much more to discuss at that time. Thanks for your interest in Hollis and we look forward to seeing everyone at the show! Info@hollisgear.com www.HollisGear.com HOLLIS PRISM 2 – ALL DEALERS WELCOME! *Get a closer look at the newest development in Rebreather technology:*TheHollis PRISM 2 will be on display as Peter Readey, the inventor of this machine, will give you a complete understanding of how it works and what is new. Date: Time: Location: FRIDAY 11/2 10:30 – 12:00 Convention Center S220E So does this mean that Steam Machines is partnered/bought out/etc by or with Hollis? Anyways... a very Interesting Development. Ryan
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18th October 2007, 10:35	#2 (permalink)
*diverklondike* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,563	Re: Hollis Rebreather = The PRISM 2 A very interesting development indeed... With out a doubt the future success of the CCR marketplace will heavily be based on companies being able to simplify the rig for the Rec. market place. You would expect that Oceanic would be leading the charge in this direction. The question is will some new version of the prism be able to accomplish this. Can't wait for DEMA!! Mark
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18th October 2007, 11:08	#4 (permalink)
*diverklondike* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,563	Re: Hollis Rebreather = The PRISM 2 Now that IS funny!!! I may have to print that one out and drop it off at the Hollis booth...
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18th October 2007, 11:56	#5 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,165	Re: Hollis Rebreather = The PRISM 2 personaly Id like to see far less unit suppliers. So intead of having a whole heap of poorly funded cheapy made poorly tested units made to low (or no) standards all fighting for market share on cost we may be more likely to have a few decent quality units. I suspect this new unit will just be more of the same old cheap crap were used to (runs away and hides) Recreational rebreather? Killing machines. __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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19th October 2007, 10:42	#6 (permalink)
iain-hsm Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Loughborough England uk Posts: 347	Re: Hollis Rebreather = The PRISM 2 Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) personaly Id like to see far less unit suppliers. So intead of having a whole heap of poorly funded cheapy made poorly tested units made to low (or no) standards all fighting for market share on cost we may be more likely to have a few decent quality units. I suspect this new unit will just be more of the same old cheap crap were used to (runs away and hides) Recreational rebreather? Killing machines. Mike. Steady on, rather than run and hide, why not stand back or just hike up the big (Capitol) Hill and look back it will all make perfectly good sense if you do. The Big Picture: It makes perfect sense for Peter and Oc3anic to get together, The Prism passed the USN navy requirement years ago, and Oc3anic already have other albeit entry level products with military but need a bigger military presence. The real intension IMHO will be to offer USN next generation NGUBA rebreather product and the spin off even if not taken up by USN will be a commercial sports version. (Just like the Sentinel?) Incidentally IMHO this is the same reason why you have Inspiration and not Trojan and why we have the (latest Royal Navy reject) now call the Sentinel, because the Royal Navy have gone for the Stealth, a better product with better support. By getting together Peter offers up a solid rebreather design and Oc3anic gets to offer the QA and big company muscles needed to support products in the field. Also both parties get to offer a rebreather design up to the Navy. The USN from the political point could just about see this as a way out of the political dilemma. Need a rebreather want to buy American but need support, while considering the budget? They didn’t buy the French (Frogs/Crabs) system because it’s French, and since the French are not supporting the war on terrorism, (you get the picture,) even with “Aqualungs” American credentials. They dropped U.S. Divers and lost the plot. They don’t want to continue the contract with Carlton because of contractual differences with the suppliers, and the Divex Stealth system didn’t pass only because of minor design and operational requirements, Oh and it was British, and better than anything they had ever seen before. So in summary: 1. US Navy gets another American manufactured Product 2. Oceanic get a stab at a big military contract 3. Peter gets a great contract with Oceanic either way he retires rich. 4. Oceanic get a great engineer with Peter who can make the difference either way sports or military. The one thing I cant understand is more serious, When you get involved in military rebreathers there comes a point where in the risk assessment you have to address product risk, and conclude they can have no place or use with the pubic. To date there has been no company that has offered military rebreathers to the public. I look with interest at Oceanic.
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19th October 2007, 11:59	#7 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,165	Re: Hollis Rebreather = The PRISM 2 Quote: (Originally Posted by iain-hsm) Mike. Steady on, rather than run and hide, why not stand back or just hike up the big (Capitol) Hill and look back it will all make perfectly good sense if you do. The Big Picture: It makes perfect sense for Peter and Oc3anic to get together, The Prism passed the USN navy requirement years ago, and Oc3anic already have other albeit entry level products with military but need a bigger military presence. The real intension IMHO will be to offer USN next generation NGUBA rebreather product and the spin off even if not taken up by USN will be a commercial sports version. (Just like the Sentinel?) Incidentally IMHO this is the same reason why you have Inspiration and not Trojan and why we have the (latest Royal Navy reject) now call the Sentinel, because the Royal Navy have gone for the Stealth, a better product with better support. By getting together Peter offers up a solid rebreather design and Oc3anic gets to offer the QA and big company muscles needed to support products in the field. Also both parties get to offer a rebreather design up to the Navy. The USN from the political point could just about see this as a way out of the political dilemma. Need a rebreather want to buy American but need support, while considering the budget? They didn’t buy the French (Frogs/Crabs) system because it’s French, and since the French are not supporting the war on terrorism, (you get the picture,) even with “Aqualungs” American credentials. They dropped U.S. Divers and lost the plot. They don’t want to continue the contract with Carlton because of contractual differences with the suppliers, and the Divex Stealth system didn’t pass only because of minor design and operational requirements, Oh and it was British, and better than anything they had ever seen before. So in summary: 1. US Navy gets another American manufactured Product 2. Oceanic get a stab at a big military contract 3. Peter gets a great contract with Oceanic either way he retires rich. 4. Oceanic get a great engineer with Peter who can make the difference either way sports or military. The one thing I cant understand is more serious, When you get involved in military rebreathers there comes a point where in the risk assessment you have to address product risk, and conclude they can have no place or use with the pubic. To date there has been no company that has offered military rebreathers to the public. I look with interest at Oceanic. makes sense when you put it that way. my previous company used to, well still do, supply eod cutting systems to military, we designed it with dra uk. so I know the joys of dev something and hoping to win mil contracts!. :-) great if you win :-) __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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19th October 2007, 12:36	#8 (permalink)
iain-hsm Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Loughborough England uk Posts: 347	Re: Hollis Rebreather = The PRISM 2 Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) makes sense when you put it that way. my previous company used to, well still do, supply eod cutting systems to military, we designed it with dra uk. so I know the joys of dev something and hoping to win mil contracts!. :-) great if you win :-) This is all since we all went away from the AQAP system were the designers were paid to design and the product design was kept within the military, but the governments got to pay all the all up development cost. Now with the new COTS (commercial off the shelf system) individual companies have to pay for the development and the navy in this case get to choose product A, B, or C etc. The shameful result is now because of competative tendering with three or more companies bidding for each product if and when the other two failed bid individual companies bids do fail, what do you do with your developed product? A. Blow it, sell it to any foreign governments that may be interested. B. Approach is: remove the sensitive safety parts and sell it to the scubeedoos. C. Do nothing go out of business. D. Next time get a better congressman
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19th October 2007, 14:36	#9 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,435	Re: Hollis Rebreather = The PRISM 2 Well, Iain, if what you say is true, maybe we luck out and get MK15.5s after all. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.'!" Last edited by caveseeker7 : 19th October 2007 at 20:11.
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jbpccr New Member Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 18	Re: Hollis Rebreather = The PRISM 2 Has anyone heard whether there will be ongoing support for the Prism Topaz? I know DEMA 07 will be the unveiling of the next generation, so we'll have to wait. Just thought I'd ask since I dive a Topaz.
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