Cis Lunar Mk 6

Ben Field · 25th October 2007, 10:09

Does it bail-out for you as well?

jhaaja · 25th October 2007, 10:18

Or pull the plastic bag over you

I think it is not capable of digging

JH

Ben Field · 25th October 2007, 12:27

Yup... you gotta be awfully careful claiming somethings "fully automatic"

Reminds me of my GF first time driving my car, she couldn't get it to go and complained- "but its an automatic".... "Yes but you still have to put it in Drive"

HMP · 25th October 2007, 13:16

Yup, no manual add valves would make it a no go for me too.
I think the thinking is to force you to bail out onto OC, hence the BOV on the Sentinal, and the loss of manual add valves on their shallow water version.
Makes the units purely aimed at people who are not willing/interested/able to learn to manually control their units.
Perhaps by making a very simple bailout 'the solution' to all possible problems, makes it a more acceptable package to sell to recreational divers and agencies and hence break into a large (and lets face it money making) new market for the manufactures.
At least on the Sentinal the middle and top versions have the manual add valves

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As for manual add valves failing more than solenoids, well I think Deecoweenie hits the nail on the head by pointing out that maybe solenoids are very reliable but controller boards and power failures happen far more frequently.
As an aside I have a diluent solenoid on my MK15.5 now and a switch on my primary to allow me to 'electronically but manually' add either O2 or Dil by sliding the button one way or another. Very nice, convenient and super quick, especially when busy working or have hands full of lights, cameras etc, but its never, ever going to replace the manual additions on the unit. They seem a basic necessity for a safe and capable unit IMHO.

***Decodiver*** · 25th October 2007, 14:27

Hugh you know you want a Sentinel

Cheers,

Dave.

HMP · 31st October 2007, 13:35

Yup, I want a sentinal, anyway my receipt came through the post today for my deposit so, I'm getting a sentinal!
Having just read through Poseidons launch info, the Mk6 is not for me, not in anyway useful for what I do. Front mounted Cl's

Collin · 31st October 2007, 14:15

Are the scrubber cannisters sealed? Do you fill yourself?

Collin

Sten · 31st October 2007, 18:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by Collin)

Are the scrubber cannisters sealed? Do you fill yourself?

Collin

No, there is a choice between Extedair and pre packed Sofnolime from Molecular Products.

/Sten

Collin · 31st October 2007, 18:55

Hi, sorry my question was not good. Is it a standard scrubber cannister that you fill yourself? and, what is Extedair?

Quote: (Originally Posted by Sten)

No, there is a choice between Extedair and pre packed Sofnolime from Molecular Products.

/Sten

***caveseeker7*** · 31st October 2007, 19:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by Collin)

Hi, sorry my question was not good. Is it a standard scrubber cannister that you fill yourself? and, what is Extedair?

The ExtendAir cartridge is from Micropore, and used in the DiveRite Optima CCR as well as Inspos, Megs, Dolphins, Azimuths, LAR Vs etc with various adapters or replacement scrubber cannisters.

Pre-packed cannisters are usually inserts for the cannister that contain granular absorbant packed by manufacturer. Some military rigs had that over the years, as well as the Frog and I believe the Fieno, too. Real success stories, those two units.

Idea behing both is to open the scrubber cannister, place or replace the cartridge/pre-packed container and not worry about properly packing the scrubber with granular sorb.

Problem is both tend to be hard to come by in most places and tend to cost quite a bit more than granular absorbant.

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25th October 2007, 12:27	#43 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,442	Re: Cis Lunar Mk 6 Yup... you gotta be awfully careful claiming somethings "fully automatic" Reminds me of my GF first time driving my car, she couldn't get it to go and complained- "but its an automatic".... "Yes but you still have to put it in Drive" __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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25th October 2007, 13:16	#44 (permalink)
HMP New Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Dolphin Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Plymouth, U.K. Posts: 93	Re: Cis Lunar Mk 6 Yup, no manual add valves would make it a no go for me too. I think the thinking is to force you to bail out onto OC, hence the BOV on the Sentinal, and the loss of manual add valves on their shallow water version. Makes the units purely aimed at people who are not willing/interested/able to learn to manually control their units. Perhaps by making a very simple bailout 'the solution' to all possible problems, makes it a more acceptable package to sell to recreational divers and agencies and hence break into a large (and lets face it money making) new market for the manufactures. At least on the Sentinal the middle and top versions have the manual add valves. As for manual add valves failing more than solenoids, well I think Deecoweenie hits the nail on the head by pointing out that maybe solenoids are very reliable but controller boards and power failures happen far more frequently. As an aside I have a diluent solenoid on my MK15.5 now and a switch on my primary to allow me to 'electronically but manually' add either O2 or Dil by sliding the button one way or another. Very nice, convenient and super quick, especially when busy working or have hands full of lights, cameras etc, but its never, ever going to replace the manual additions on the unit. They seem a basic necessity for a safe and capable unit IMHO.
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31st October 2007, 13:35	#46 (permalink)
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31st October 2007, 14:15	#47 (permalink)
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31st October 2007, 18:45	#48 (permalink)
Sten Beeing Visionary Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Göteborg, Sweden Posts: 45	Re: Cis Lunar Mk 6 Quote: (Originally Posted by Collin) Are the scrubber cannisters sealed? Do you fill yourself? Collin No, there is a choice between Extedair and pre packed Sofnolime from Molecular Products. /Sten __________________ Visionary
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31st October 2007, 18:55	#49 (permalink)
Collin New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: UK Posts: 23	Re: Cis Lunar Mk 6 Hi, sorry my question was not good. Is it a standard scrubber cannister that you fill yourself? and, what is Extedair? Quote: (Originally Posted by Sten) No, there is a choice between Extedair and pre packed Sofnolime from Molecular Products. /Sten
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*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,281	Re: Cis Lunar Mk 6 Quote: (Originally Posted by Collin) Hi, sorry my question was not good. Is it a standard scrubber cannister that you fill yourself? and, what is Extedair? The ExtendAir cartridge is from Micropore, and used in the DiveRite Optima CCR as well as Inspos, Megs, Dolphins, Azimuths, LAR Vs etc with various adapters or replacement scrubber cannisters. Pre-packed cannisters are usually inserts for the cannister that contain granular absorbant packed by manufacturer. Some military rigs had that over the years, as well as the Frog and I believe the Fieno, too. Real success stories, those two units. Idea behing both is to open the scrubber cannister, place or replace the cartridge/pre-packed container and not worry about properly packing the scrubber with granular sorb. Problem is both tend to be hard to come by in most places and tend to cost quite a bit more than granular absorbant. __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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