Cis Lunar Mk 6

decoweenie · 24th October 2007, 17:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMP)

Some people have seen it apparently, but are sworn to secrecy. Not quite sure why this is necessary. It would be nice to know at least what level the unit is pitched at rather than making people wait ages before they can include or not include it in making decisions.......

Cis made them signed non-disclosure statement before showing the unit. It is just a marketing ploy to generate some level of excitement for the introduction...

It is just around corner (i.e. next week) so we could be a little more patience.

Supposedly, there will be more (un-named) units to be introduced as well so there will be lots of choices in the next year...

Soren Thomsen · 24th October 2007, 20:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Depends which way you don it.

What a good laugh....

***Beanie*** · 24th October 2007, 20:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Cis made them signed non-disclosure statement before showing the unit. It is just a marketing ploy to generate some level of excitement for the introduction...

It is just around corner (i.e. next week) so we could be a little more patience.

Supposedly, there will be more (un-named) units to be introduced as well so there will be lots of choices in the next year...

we'll be round to try them when you've taken delivery

Blomman · 24th October 2007, 20:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMP)

Seems like nothing being leaked until DEMA, when they show the unit.
Some people have seen it apparently, but are sworn to secrecy. Not quite sure why this is necessary. It would be nice to know at least what level the unit is pitched at rather than making people wait ages before they can include or not include it in making decisions.......

The new MK6 is for the sports-diving market only and is fully automatic. It even says so on Poseidon's homepage. Kurt who presented the MK6 for us clearly said that "we" (technical divers) were not the target group.

The easy part is done. Now comes the hard job and with the right pricing I think the MK6 could be a success. Let's only hope they have tested the machine enough so it doesn't become a new Triton

// Blomman

decoweenie · 25th October 2007, 05:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Blomman)

The new MK6 is for the sports-diving market only and is fully automatic. ... (technical divers) were not the target group.

OK, that's one scratched off the list then...

***Decodiver*** · 25th October 2007, 08:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by Blomman)

The new MK6 is for the sports-diving market only and is fully automatic.

My source tells me that you will not be able to manually inject O2 or diluent either......................

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

***caveseeker7*** · 25th October 2007, 08:55

Same foolishness as on that Titan thingy ...

... no independent secondary gas monitoring and/or no manual gas control keeps rebreathers off my list.

decoweenie · 25th October 2007, 09:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

My source tells me that you will not be able to manually inject O2 or diluent either...

I don't quite understand the reasonings behind that...

***caveseeker7*** · 25th October 2007, 09:38

I can only repeat the reasoning of the Titan chap, he insisted that manual valves have a much higher failure rates than solenoids, hence using solenoids to inject both O2 and dil would be safer. Leaving out manual valves altogether would also add to the loop integrity since there are less points of possible water entry.

He didn't say anything when I asked him about failure rates of the solenoid controlling electronics and their power supply, though.

decoweenie · 25th October 2007, 09:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

He didn't say anything when I asked him about failure rates of the solenoid controlling electronics and their power supply, though.

After 10 years of diving Rebreather, I could recall 1 MAV leaking (my fault for being lazy/hurry in assembly so not sure if could classified as failure) that resulted running out of O2 (also last dive of trip, low O2 pressure on 2L tank) on a long dive.

I have lost count the number of controller failures.

However, I tend to crash-test new things so not all could be classified as production version, but still the number of controller failures is much higher relatively.

So I am "scared" of any unit that is completely automated...

24th October 2007, 17:50	#31 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Cis Lunar Mk 6 Quote: (Originally Posted by HMP) Some people have seen it apparently, but are sworn to secrecy. Not quite sure why this is necessary. It would be nice to know at least what level the unit is pitched at rather than making people wait ages before they can include or not include it in making decisions....... Cis made them signed non-disclosure statement before showing the unit. It is just a marketing ploy to generate some level of excitement for the introduction... It is just around corner (i.e. next week) so we could be a little more patience. Supposedly, there will be more (un-named) units to be introduced as well so there will be lots of choices in the next year...
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24th October 2007, 20:37	#32 (permalink)
Soren Thomsen Happy Hippo Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 138	Re: Getting impatient, you lot? Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Depends which way you don it. What a good laugh.... __________________ - Giraffes were created when Chuck Norris uppercutted a horse -
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24th October 2007, 20:54	#33 (permalink)
*Beanie* Politeness officer Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,163	Re: Cis Lunar Mk 6 Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Cis made them signed non-disclosure statement before showing the unit. It is just a marketing ploy to generate some level of excitement for the introduction... It is just around corner (i.e. next week) so we could be a little more patience. Supposedly, there will be more (un-named) units to be introduced as well so there will be lots of choices in the next year... we'll be round to try them when you've taken delivery __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk www.divelife.co.uk
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24th October 2007, 20:57	#34 (permalink)
Blomman Helium is addictive! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 148	Re: Cis Lunar Mk 6 Quote: (Originally Posted by HMP) Seems like nothing being leaked until DEMA, when they show the unit. Some people have seen it apparently, but are sworn to secrecy. Not quite sure why this is necessary. It would be nice to know at least what level the unit is pitched at rather than making people wait ages before they can include or not include it in making decisions....... The new MK6 is for the sports-diving market only and is fully automatic. It even says so on Poseidon's homepage. Kurt who presented the MK6 for us clearly said that "we" (technical divers) were not the target group. The easy part is done. Now comes the hard job and with the right pricing I think the MK6 could be a success. Let's only hope they have tested the machine enough so it doesn't become a new Triton // Blomman
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25th October 2007, 05:30	#35 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Cis Lunar Mk 6 Quote: (Originally Posted by Blomman) The new MK6 is for the sports-diving market only and is fully automatic. ... (technical divers) were not the target group. OK, that's one scratched off the list then...
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25th October 2007, 08:49	#36 (permalink)
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25th October 2007, 08:55	#37 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Re: Cis Lunar Mk 6 Same foolishness as on that Titan thingy ... ... no independent secondary gas monitoring and/or no manual gas control keeps rebreathers off my list. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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25th October 2007, 09:24	#38 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Cis Lunar Mk 6 Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) My source tells me that you will not be able to manually inject O2 or diluent either... I don't quite understand the reasonings behind that...
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25th October 2007, 09:38	#39 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Re: Automatic instead of manual gas addition valves I can only repeat the reasoning of the Titan chap, he insisted that manual valves have a much higher failure rates than solenoids, hence using solenoids to inject both O2 and dil would be safer. Leaving out manual valves altogether would also add to the loop integrity since there are less points of possible water entry. He didn't say anything when I asked him about failure rates of the solenoid controlling electronics and their power supply, though. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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25th October 2007, 09:45	#40 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Automatic instead of manual gas addition valves Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) He didn't say anything when I asked him about failure rates of the solenoid controlling electronics and their power supply, though. After 10 years of diving Rebreather, I could recall 1 MAV leaking (my fault for being lazy/hurry in assembly so not sure if could classified as failure) that resulted running out of O2 (also last dive of trip, low O2 pressure on 2L tank) on a long dive. I have lost count the number of controller failures. However, I tend to crash-test new things so not all could be classified as production version, but still the number of controller failures is much higher relatively. So I am "scared" of any unit that is completely automated...
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