MK VI Disposable cannister

Molecular Products Ltd · 12th December 2007, 14:42

Does anyone have any feed back on the disposable granular cannister for the MK VI.

Ben Field · 12th December 2007, 15:07

Did I just time-warp forward a year?

Isn't the MkVI supposedly due out sometime '08.... or do you mean- what do we think of the idea?

***caveseeker7*** · 12th December 2007, 16:49

That's the kind of question we should ask and you should answer ...

***Beanie*** · 12th December 2007, 19:46

Seen one briefly at DEMA but I wouldn't of though anyone on here has had one to use yet.

**jepuskar** · 12th December 2007, 20:38

Ease up on the guy a little....after all...his product removes your CO2...which the last time I checked was one of the requirements of a rebreather.

It will be interesting to see how the whole process works. Do you ship back your old canisters to them and receive more...kind of like NetFlix?? I guess that wouldnt be disposable would it..my bad.

Any traveling will cause you to have them shipped to your destination ahead of time..and hopefully stored appropriately.

I guess it works for the market its intended for, but to me I think I would be concerned if the packed canister was packed correctly. It is kind of like a bad batch of cells...some make it on out the door. However, when a bad batch of canisters make it out the door that is gonna be a big problem.

I could say the same about the EAC's, but its a different media and visual inspection can be done. I hope there is someway to verify the canister received is ok to dive with...some inspection etc in addition to the pre-breathe.

J

***caveseeker7*** · 12th December 2007, 22:02

Dunno, Jason. The Micropore cartridge has real advantages, like higher resistance to caustic cocktails and no clumping when wet, keeping WOB at a level.

Pre-packed granular sorb don't offer those, just ease of use and not packing the sorb wrongly. On the downside I'm sure are increased cost and more junk to dispose.

Other companies tried it in the past, and quickly offered refillable canisters on customer's demand.

Am curious though how "perfectly" factory packed axial, self-packed radial and the ExtendAir compare in duration, would love to see the raw data from the CE test runs.

Gareth Ingham · 7th January 2008, 04:36

From a distribution perspective atleast, Poseidon is in a much better position than most other rebreather manufacturers as they already have a well developed reseller and distribution channel globally. Getting cannisters, be they be good or bad from a technical POV should be pretty easy.

The same could be said for the training and servicing, Poseidon will just make it a part of the reseller agreement that to sell Xstream regs you also have to sell/service their rebreather.

***caveseeker7*** · 7th January 2008, 05:38

Dräger certainly had a head start towards everyone else on the civilian Rebreather market, Aqualung/Suunto/et al are distributed worldwide, and that didn't work out too well. Many dealers shrugged their shoulders when asked about RBs or their parts even if they could be found somewhere in their books.

Dive Rite seems to have a pretty decent distribution network for their BCDs, but the O2ptima is still rather rare outside the US.

Oceanic also has quite a distribution network and taken over the PRISM CCR from Steam Machines. Probably somewhere between Aqualung, and Poseidon and Dive Rite.

Last but not least, APD has been distributing and selling CCRs in numbers that everyone else can only dream of, even though their dive gear, around for a few decades, isn't available globally.

Christoph · 7th January 2008, 07:25

I talked to a Poseidon guy in december and got the impression that they plan to use PADI resorts for distributing the cannisters.
He also told me that PADI would include the unit in its training programm like they did with the Dolphin.
May as well be just a rumor, of course.

12th December 2007, 14:42	#1 (permalink)
Molecular Products Ltd New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: UK Posts: 53	MK VI Disposable cannister Does anyone have any feed back on the disposable granular cannister for the MK VI.
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12th December 2007, 15:07	#2 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,441	Re: MK VI Disposable cannister Did I just time-warp forward a year? Isn't the MkVI supposedly due out sometime '08.... or do you mean- what do we think of the idea? __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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12th December 2007, 16:49	#3 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,275	Re: MK VI Disposable cannister That's the kind of question we should ask and you should answer ... __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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12th December 2007, 19:46	#4 (permalink)
*Beanie* Cheif tea maker Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,133	Re: MK VI Disposable cannister Seen one briefly at DEMA but I wouldn't of though anyone on here has had one to use yet. __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk www.divelife.co.uk
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12th December 2007, 20:38	#5 (permalink)
jepuskar NA Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 389	Re: MK VI Disposable cannister Ease up on the guy a little....after all...his product removes your CO2...which the last time I checked was one of the requirements of a rebreather. It will be interesting to see how the whole process works. Do you ship back your old canisters to them and receive more...kind of like NetFlix?? I guess that wouldnt be disposable would it..my bad. Any traveling will cause you to have them shipped to your destination ahead of time..and hopefully stored appropriately. I guess it works for the market its intended for, but to me I think I would be concerned if the packed canister was packed correctly. It is kind of like a bad batch of cells...some make it on out the door. However, when a bad batch of canisters make it out the door that is gonna be a big problem. I could say the same about the EAC's, but its a different media and visual inspection can be done. I hope there is someway to verify the canister received is ok to dive with...some inspection etc in addition to the pre-breathe. J __________________ Donate to the Barack Obama campaign: https://donate.barackobama.com/match
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12th December 2007, 22:02	#6 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,275	Re: MK VI Disposable cannister Dunno, Jason. The Micropore cartridge has real advantages, like higher resistance to caustic cocktails and no clumping when wet, keeping WOB at a level. Pre-packed granular sorb don't offer those, just ease of use and not packing the sorb wrongly. On the downside I'm sure are increased cost and more junk to dispose. Other companies tried it in the past, and quickly offered refillable canisters on customer's demand. Am curious though how "perfectly" factory packed axial, self-packed radial and the ExtendAir compare in duration, would love to see the raw data from the CE test runs. __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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7th January 2008, 04:36	#7 (permalink)
Gareth Ingham New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 4	Re: MK VI Disposable cannister From a distribution perspective atleast, Poseidon is in a much better position than most other rebreather manufacturers as they already have a well developed reseller and distribution channel globally. Getting cannisters, be they be good or bad from a technical POV should be pretty easy. The same could be said for the training and servicing, Poseidon will just make it a part of the reseller agreement that to sell Xstream regs you also have to sell/service their rebreather.
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7th January 2008, 05:38	#8 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,275	Re: MK VI Disposable cannister Dräger certainly had a head start towards everyone else on the civilian Rebreather market, Aqualung/Suunto/et al are distributed worldwide, and that didn't work out too well. Many dealers shrugged their shoulders when asked about RBs or their parts even if they could be found somewhere in their books. Dive Rite seems to have a pretty decent distribution network for their BCDs, but the O2ptima is still rather rare outside the US. Oceanic also has quite a distribution network and taken over the PRISM CCR from Steam Machines. Probably somewhere between Aqualung, and Poseidon and Dive Rite. Last but not least, APD has been distributing and selling CCRs in numbers that everyone else can only dream of, even though their dive gear, around for a few decades, isn't available globally. __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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7th January 2008, 07:25	#9 (permalink)
Christoph HH newbie Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Steyr, Austria Posts: 100	Re: MK VI Disposable cannister I talked to a Poseidon guy in december and got the impression that they plan to use PADI resorts for distributing the cannisters. He also told me that PADI would include the unit in its training programm like they did with the Dolphin. May as well be just a rumor, of course. __________________ Cheers, Chris When my basement became full, I believed to have enough divegear. Truth is, I had to get another basement. http://www.sharkforce.at
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