Mk VI preorders so far?

**PhilSiswick** · 5th February 2008, 09:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

I'm sad to hear such a lot of boasting and hot air about numbers, training and availbility, I simply don't believe it.

The Sentinal was only recently released yet we see and hear instructors going on training, I've met and heard from several shops and instructors who will be stocking it, we've seen the CE and Scrubber Test results, we've seen and touched the unit at many shows, we've read many internet and magazine reviews and I really do believe we'll see people diving them this summer.

Considering the much larger parent company, investment and risk in the new market the Mk6 is aiming for we've seen nothing in magazines, at shows, I've not met a single instructor who knows any more about it than I can read on here... it all sounds like vapour ware right now.

Anyone else think they started talking about this 1year too early?

I'm very sad about this, as this promised to be a revolution and it has some very interesting developments in it. This could change the units that we dive in the future, so should be given every chance to succeed, so that others will follow.

The shame about the hype and frankly poor delivery to date is that we'll throw the baby out with the bathwater - the unit will fail as a whole and the good parts will go forgotten for years. Poseidon are doing the whole industry a disservice IMHO.

Launching this early before the unit and the infrastructure were in place was either an attempt to jump the gun on the opposition (Sentinel maybe?) or a crass attempt to ramp the share price by showing what they had coming. Either way, it's probably not going to do Poseidon or us any good at all....

Tuesday rant over (I'm going to restrict myself to one a day ;-)

Cheers,

**Dave Sutton** · 5th February 2008, 13:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by jneves)

I had word from a most reliable source that the number of ordered units may largely pass the 1000 mark by the end of this month

Please place a "swallow coffee before readong post" warning on stuff like this, so I can hold back spewing a mouthful out laughing hysterically. I mean, like, dude: I have a Toughbook, but even so... cleaning off the screen is a pain in the ass.

Is it a year early? If so, they are better than most. Let's see... from the "Oceanic Phibian" announcement to the "We'll have a warmed over Prism available soon" has taken, what.... 10 years?

Vaporware is part and parcel of the advertising game. Everything is announced before it's ready.

1000 units ordered.... riiggghhhttttt..................

Dave

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***Decodiver*** · 5th February 2008, 15:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

1000 units ordered.... riiggghhhttttt..................

Yeah it will probably be easier to get a list of all the people who HAVE NOT ordered a Cis-Lunar MkVI, rather than those that HAVE.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

decoweenie · 5th February 2008, 15:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Yeah it will probably be easier to get a list of all the people who HAVE NOT ordered a Cis-Lunar MkVI, rather than those that HAVE.

Easier yet... Get a list of all the people who will never order the POS-CIS than those who have...

JonnyB · 5th February 2008, 15:26

Although i believe that the number 1000 is unrealistic and the guy posting it to be a troll.
I would not want to end up like Bill Gates famous quote "640K ought to be enough for anybody."

I certainly hope that poseidon dont end up being vaporware.

Ben Field · 5th February 2008, 16:04

More like they need to flog 1K to break even, hopefully Dr Stone and Co have charged them heavily for their expertise

I still think they've designed something for a market that doesn't exist but I would like to see it succeed and even give it a try for if nothing else they may go on to build a unit capable of a reasonable depth at a later stage (hopefully not looking like a food processor)

esc · 5th February 2008, 16:06

Maybe the number is like what we have in our record industry, meaning you have "sold" gold before anyone actually have bought the record from the shipments to dealers alone...

Personally I believe more on the Internet preorders number (around 150ish) than the 1000 quoted and even from those 150's, nobody have actually bought it and can still back out.

I am quite interested to hear comments from Bill Stone and Richard Pyle though, as one of them (sorry can't remember which one) said in DEMA video he would put it through its paces and comment on it later.

/esc

havskatt · 5th February 2008, 16:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB)

Although i believe that the number 1000 is unrealistic and the guy posting it to be a troll.

I also think the guy to be a troll.

**Fun Under Pressure** · 5th February 2008, 18:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Easier yet... Get a list of all the people who will never order the POS-CIS than those who have...

I never would be order a POS-CIS.

Cheers Markku

Richard Lundgren · 5th February 2008, 19:16

Interesting

Lets asume that Poseidon actualy sold 1000 units during the pre-order sales. The delivery is to be this summer. That equals 1000 Rebreather students. A epic task for a new training organization without Instructors isnt it?

I think the truth is that they have sold what they think they can manage to suport

5th February 2008, 09:52	#21 (permalink)
PhilSiswick WSKD 0001 Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 884	Re: Mk VI preorders so far? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) I'm sad to hear such a lot of boasting and hot air about numbers, training and availbility, I simply don't believe it. The Sentinal was only recently released yet we see and hear instructors going on training, I've met and heard from several shops and instructors who will be stocking it, we've seen the CE and Scrubber Test results, we've seen and touched the unit at many shows, we've read many internet and magazine reviews and I really do believe we'll see people diving them this summer. Considering the much larger parent company, investment and risk in the new market the Mk6 is aiming for we've seen nothing in magazines, at shows, I've not met a single instructor who knows any more about it than I can read on here... it all sounds like vapour ware right now. Anyone else think they started talking about this 1year too early? I'm very sad about this, as this promised to be a revolution and it has some very interesting developments in it. This could change the units that we dive in the future, so should be given every chance to succeed, so that others will follow. The shame about the hype and frankly poor delivery to date is that we'll throw the baby out with the bathwater - the unit will fail as a whole and the good parts will go forgotten for years. Poseidon are doing the whole industry a disservice IMHO. Launching this early before the unit and the infrastructure were in place was either an attempt to jump the gun on the opposition (Sentinel maybe?) or a crass attempt to ramp the share price by showing what they had coming. Either way, it's probably not going to do Poseidon or us any good at all.... Tuesday rant over (I'm going to restrict myself to one a day ;-) Cheers, __________________ Phil No comment on open circuit... it's an evolutionary dead end not really worth discussing here. Dave Sutton, 2007 I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 www.hugsac.org.uk
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5th February 2008, 13:42	#22 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Living on Animal Farm Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,511	Re: Mk VI preorders so far? Quote: (Originally Posted by jneves) I had word from a most reliable source that the number of ordered units may largely pass the 1000 mark by the end of this month Please place a "swallow coffee before readong post" warning on stuff like this, so I can hold back spewing a mouthful out laughing hysterically. I mean, like, dude: I have a Toughbook, but even so... cleaning off the screen is a pain in the ass. Is it a year early? If so, they are better than most. Let's see... from the "Oceanic Phibian" announcement to the "We'll have a warmed over Prism available soon" has taken, what.... 10 years? Vaporware is part and parcel of the advertising game. Everything is announced before it's ready. 1000 units ordered.... riiggghhhttttt.................. Dave . __________________ . "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" Professional Small Boy: Never Successfully Cubicled.
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5th February 2008, 15:09	#23 (permalink)
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5th February 2008, 15:19	#24 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Mk VI preorders so far? Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Yeah it will probably be easier to get a list of all the people who HAVE NOT ordered a Cis-Lunar MkVI, rather than those that HAVE. Easier yet... Get a list of all the people who will never order the POS-CIS than those who have... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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5th February 2008, 15:26	#25 (permalink)
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5th February 2008, 16:04	#26 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,482	Re: Mk VI preorders so far? More like they need to flog 1K to break even, hopefully Dr Stone and Co have charged them heavily for their expertise I still think they've designed something for a market that doesn't exist but I would like to see it succeed and even give it a try for if nothing else they may go on to build a unit capable of a reasonable depth at a later stage (hopefully not looking like a food processor) __________________ www.hugsac.org.uk Beware Fridge Suck
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5th February 2008, 16:06	#27 (permalink)
esc New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 48	Re: Mk VI preorders so far? Maybe the number is like what we have in our record industry, meaning you have "sold" gold before anyone actually have bought the record from the shipments to dealers alone... Personally I believe more on the Internet preorders number (around 150ish) than the 1000 quoted and even from those 150's, nobody have actually bought it and can still back out. I am quite interested to hear comments from Bill Stone and Richard Pyle though, as one of them (sorry can't remember which one) said in DEMA video he would put it through its paces and comment on it later. /esc
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5th February 2008, 16:31	#28 (permalink)
havskatt New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 7	Re: Mk VI preorders so far? Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB) Although i believe that the number 1000 is unrealistic and the guy posting it to be a troll. I also think the guy to be a troll. Last edited by Decodiver : 5th February 2008 at 18:46. Reason: Formatted quote
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5th February 2008, 18:41	#29 (permalink)
Fun Under Pressure Supporting Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 594	Re: Mk VI preorders so far? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Easier yet... Get a list of all the people who will never order the POS-CIS than those who have... I never would be order a POS-CIS. Cheers Markku
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5th February 2008, 19:16	#30 (permalink)
Richard Lundgren New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 52	Re: Mk VI preorders so far? Interesting Lets asume that Poseidon actualy sold 1000 units during the pre-order sales. The delivery is to be this summer. That equals 1000 Rebreather students. A epic task for a new training organization without Instructors isnt it? I think the truth is that they have sold what they think they can manage to suport Last edited by Richard Lundgren : 5th February 2008 at 19:20.
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