Will be a milestone?

Barfab · 8th November 2007, 09:09

The decision to make a (CCR!) rig for recreational diver represent a brave choiche. I hope a great success from this point of view. The technical feature are, anyway, revolutionary.
Hope that the previous flop of SCR recreational rebreathers like Draeger and FIENO was own by the limitations of SCR systems and the high cost at the time were launched on the market

***caveseeker7*** · 8th November 2007, 09:31

Well, the Jetam Sport Kiss has been fairly successfully marketed for recreational diving (compared to other CCRs, anyway).

To some extend other units are used for "recreational" diving, too, Evos, PRISMs, etc, and if you think of it,
all MOD1 or similar training (that I'm aware of) limits and certifies to recreational limits.

While the electronics/ features may be groundbreaking, they also mean that the unit won't grow with the diver.

And I wouldn't call several thousand Dräger Dolphins a flop, either.
Save for AP and maybe Carleton I'm not aware of any manufacturer having sold near as many units.

Time will tell if it will be a milestone, if it works it certainly should be both that and a success.

Doppler · 8th November 2007, 10:15

What exactly do you mean by "Recreational?" Do you mean sport diving as opposed to technical, because both fall into recreational diving. If it ain't commercial, scientific, military or public safety, it's recreational.

Have to agree with some of Caveseeker's points... The real test of a 'simple' unit aimed at the sport market is going to be whether or not sport agencies (SDI, PADI, SSI, NAUI, et al) sanction training programs...

***caveseeker7*** · 8th November 2007, 11:24

I believe recreational translates into max depth 40 m and no overhead environment, including deco.

I already mentioned the PADI CCR Resort course ...

that would not just be a milesone, it could replace cement shoes in NY and NJ!

Barfab · 8th November 2007, 15:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by Barfab)

The decision to make a (CCR!) rig for recreational diver represent a brave choiche. I hope a great success from this point of view. The technical feature are, anyway, revolutionary.
Hope that the previous flop of SCR recreational rebreathers like Draeger and FIENO was own by the limitations of SCR systems and the high cost at the time were launched on the market

You are right, not just a flop, but of course the project was developed thinking at far greater numbers.
Recreational may mean no stop nitrox diver, of course not the "tropical tourist reefwatching diver"

CCR-Wrecker · 9th November 2007, 00:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

it could replace cement shoes in NY and NJ!

Whoa!!!
That could put me out of business

8th November 2007, 09:09	#1 (permalink)
Barfab New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Ouroboros Ray Azimuth Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Ray Azimuth Other SCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 50	Will be a milestone? The decision to make a (CCR!) rig for recreational diver represent a brave choiche. I hope a great success from this point of view. The technical feature are, anyway, revolutionary. Hope that the previous flop of SCR recreational rebreathers like Draeger and FIENO was own by the limitations of SCR systems and the high cost at the time were launched on the market __________________ World is a....Rebreather!
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8th November 2007, 09:31	#2 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Re: Will be a milestone? Well, the Jetam Sport Kiss has been fairly successfully marketed for recreational diving (compared to other CCRs, anyway). To some extend other units are used for "recreational" diving, too, Evos, PRISMs, etc, and if you think of it, all MOD1 or similar training (that I'm aware of) limits and certifies to recreational limits. While the electronics/ features may be groundbreaking, they also mean that the unit won't grow with the diver. And I wouldn't call several thousand Dräger Dolphins a flop, either. Save for AP and maybe Carleton I'm not aware of any manufacturer having sold near as many units. Time will tell if it will be a milestone, if it works it certainly should be both that and a success. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life! Last edited by caveseeker7 : 8th November 2007 at 09:33.
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Doppler Cut along dotted line... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Not Basingstoke... thank god Posts: 167	Re: Will be a milestone? What exactly do you mean by "Recreational?" Do you mean sport diving as opposed to technical, because both fall into recreational diving. If it ain't commercial, scientific, military or public safety, it's recreational. Have to agree with some of Caveseeker's points... The real test of a 'simple' unit aimed at the sport market is going to be whether or not sport agencies (SDI, PADI, SSI, NAUI, et al) sanction training programs... Last edited by Doppler : 8th November 2007 at 10:18.
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*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Re: I believe recreational translates into max depth 40 m and no overhead environment, including deco. I already mentioned the PADI CCR Resort course ... that would not just be a milesone, it could replace cement shoes in NY and NJ! __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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Barfab New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Ouroboros Ray Azimuth Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Ray Azimuth Other SCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 50	Re: Will be a milestone? Quote: (Originally Posted by Barfab) The decision to make a (CCR!) rig for recreational diver represent a brave choiche. I hope a great success from this point of view. The technical feature are, anyway, revolutionary. Hope that the previous flop of SCR recreational rebreathers like Draeger and FIENO was own by the limitations of SCR systems and the high cost at the time were launched on the market You are right, not just a flop, but of course the project was developed thinking at far greater numbers. Recreational may mean no stop nitrox diver, of course not the "tropical tourist reefwatching diver" __________________ World is a....Rebreather!
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