MK6 now launched....

Beanie

O2 Cylinder is to be filled to 130 bar that's what 390 mins, not my idea of sensible scrubber use. I'd much rather see a useful scrubber life indication.

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izze

Having seen the amount of barely used sets of equipment in the 4 - 5k range for sale on used items sites my guess is yes. I've seen plenty of open water divers in two thousand dollar DUI suits and quite frankly I find that more ridiculous than a 5.5k rebreather.

Louby Lou

Hi Ben

Beanie's got a stack of photos of the display model that they have on the stand here at DEMA. As far as I know/ have been told the only thing to change on the model on display to the production unit, is the corrugated hoses will be smooth.

From my view there are a number of things that I do not like so far and that is without having a run down from Posiden (my opinion may change afterwards..). In no particular order:

• Lungs look unfinished - they look like they were run off in a hurry for the show, no finishing/ detail etc. Yes I know they're lungs but they do not (in my opinion) meet up with the quality that I would except from a CIS. They seem to be an after thought.
• The concept of being able to clean my unit in my dishwasher doesn't bear thinking about... Not for the health of my dishwasher, but for the health of my unit.
• The DSV looks cheap and cheerful - yes, I know that is what the unit is aimed at, but the mouthpiece although has a smaller airchamber than say the Inspiration, appears awkward and clumsy with the inhale and exhale hoses coming out at awkward angles.
• The lever for the BOV, seems flimsy and not substantial enough to cope with heavy use. Plus with gloves on, some people may struggle to move between OC and CC, especially when it is needed most.
• The concept of not having to worry about scrubber duration as you have more than enough gas to outlast the scrubber, from my perspective does not fill me with a great deal of confidence. It would be nice to know about these things, even if they do not think it is entirely relevant for their unit... peace of mind is a must in my book!
• The cylinders are far too large, you might as well dive a twinset! I want to dive a rebreather... why do I need to take that much onboard gas!

Anyway, that's my point of view... at the moment! I may change my opinions once we've had a full run down but I can see it happening at the moment.

More to come later....

Cheers

Lou

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mathias

Quote: (Originally Posted by Sten)
Well I think that it is an interesting pice of kit aiming for a new market.


A new market for 40meters ???..................

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I was one of those who took a lock at it some week ago and I gotta say I like it!

First I was confused with ide of only having to cells but then I started to think, the reason why most rebreathers have more than 1 cell is because cells sucks pretty hard and you cant know if they are showing the correct value. But if you can be sure it does why then have more then one? Well in the MK-IV there is a way to be sure that the cells are working good so is why bother to have lots of cells. Exactly the same as in Palagian but here will the machine check for you. Shall be really fun when Bill Stone released his document of "Prof for one cell"

There was also a represant from RAID, a new training agency for rebreather with the focus on recreational rebreathers, to talk about training for it.

If I remember correctly there were supposed to be three levels, Level one, similar to Open Water Diver, max depth 20 meters. Both OC and CC included, level 2 similar to Advanced max depth 30 meters and level three similar to rescue diver max depth 40 meter. On the last level there was also an requirement of a sperate bail-out.

The courses would be the same for all recreational rebreathers which fullfilled certain demands(BOV, fully automatic, prepacked scrubber and some more) and right now both the sentinel in ground edition(with out manual add etc etc) and the MK-VI would be incorporated but they also had plans for more technical training for inspiration, kiss etc.

izze

I would assume that the market is the 99.9%* of all divers that aren't even considering tech or rebreathers at the moment.




*statistic pulled out of my butt, should be fairly close though

Wol

Personally I think that they have hit the nail on the head commercially!!!

The vast majority of divers will not end up having enough commitment or time to invest in moving to any of the existing closed circuit rebreather models. - I currently dive an inspo. -I love it - however I regularly dive mid week to around 25 to 30 meters after work and find that the nause of setting up my kit etc especially when short on time is a bit of a pain. I think that from an ease of set up and from the point of view of using the rebreather from a pure enjoyment of rebreather diving and extended bottom time point of view this kit would be great (bear in mind that the majority of divers world wide do not go below 40m)

With regards to the 2 cells I am wondering whether they are using some kind of metering device with the cells just validating the output. - guess from a scrubber perspective they looked at how much CO2 300l of oxygen produces and based the scubber capacity at forty meters on that perhaps. - I personally would like the idea of a plug and play scubber - Ie less faffing around. (That said - I will still prbably stick with my inspo)

ChemicalDiver

Interesting business model. I was somewhat curious about the Mk6 as I am planning to buy a Rebreather soon. On the surface a recreational no hassle rebreather sounds great, easily sold to Poseidon's own company execs I am sure as this is the first step for any new product. Rec is the main market, let's make one for rec divers, then the real bucks come rolling in.

But would any OC diver buy a reg that is limited to 40m, whatever the price, nevermind the fact that most OC divers never go beyond? Does not every mickey mouse diver wonder what would happen at 41 or 49m? The regs that sold best were the ones everyone knew they could breathe at 100m, "bearing in mind that the majority of divers world wide do not go below 40m"...

Was it not Poseidon's business model to sell super high performance regs and equipment to mainly recreational divers that did not really need them, but were dreaming or inspired by all those deep explorers sporting the logo in the news ads? The big money for them came from sales to rec divers, yes, but the difference is that those regs did not come with a depth limit.

In my view the Sentinel approach with the three models that can be upgraded to the maximum model are much better. Therefore the depth limit or indeed any limit is "temporary".

I will chose either a Boris or a Sentinel, even though I do not plan to take it beyond 50m for quite some time....and I have not even decided about how far I really want to push it. Until I try one, I haven't a clue but I certainly am not going for one that limits me from the start.

chunter

Buy a Sport Kiss. Better unit...little maintainance...less expensive. I can't believe they named this thing with anything to do with the Cis-Lunar. It looks like a cheap Lego set, and really...$5,500 is not cheap.

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mountain diver

Would have to agree, It fills a void in the market place that no one else can.
Going from sport diver to begineer rebreather diver with out a full tec rig,
good for you guy's.

all the best.