MK6 now launched....

lizardland

At the risk of sounding elitist, rebreather diving is no place for idiots. I think one thing that has helped the KISS's safety record is that the average idiot looked at manual control and thought "f**k that". Keep the bar high, keep idiots out.

People with the diving common sense/skill/knowledge/temperament/whatever-you-want-to-call-it to be diving a rebreather but not want to break 40-50m are probably going to go Evo/rEVO/KISS, they've probably no interest in a restrictive/restricted rebreather. If you're predisposed to do stupid things then it doesn't matter what equipment you're on, you've still got 40m of water between you and your next breath. Looking at DAN's rec accident figures the overwhelming factor is people misusing/misunderstanding basic principles.



I don't think anyone is missing the point. To me I think it's a bit of a cynical ploy, they dangled the Cis Lunar carrot at us for about a year and then produced an overly complicated way to dive nitrox. If it's a stepping stone to the innovation of the original Cis Lunars then fine but I think most people probably feel a bit let down at best and used as a free publicity machine at worst.

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Well said.

decoweenie

Isn't that how a BOV work too ?

caveseeker7

Quote from '06:

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OceanOpportunity

granted I have not seen this firsthand, but based on the photos on the sight, and available literature, I have mixed feelings:

1. I think there are some innovtions here that will aid in entering a recreational market, adn may find a fit in a future technical unit. will this unit do it, who knows...too soon to tell?

2. a train of thought keeps spinning for me....is there really a 'rec' market as this is so intended? given the inherit issues with diving this 'mode' of diving in general, can the masses ("idiots" as they have been referred) handle it? yes, there are more #'s of people here in the community, which in theory means more potnetial sales, but at whose expense? Can the average diver afford $5500 for no more than an average weekend swim? how much training will be circumvented in the first place that is necessary to dive ccrs? Does the average rec diver need a tool that will let them spend 5 hours underwater when, most I know at least, need to be babysat with their AL80's, never mind the potentia to really get hurt.

It'll be interesting to read these threads a year from now to see where things are...

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Ben Field

am sitting here trying to imagine anyone I know (in my club) wanting this unit.

Dive Leaders- qualified to 50mtrs, won't be interested in this, half our club members out.

Sports Divers- qualified to 35mtrs, would they buy this when a twinset & Nitro are cheaper?

I'm looking forward to hearing more about the technology, sounds innovative and interesting.

But from a UK customers standpoint I don't see who will buy an uncontrollable, limited and *ucking Ugly duckling like that!

I know looks aren't everything but COMEON? Those naked screw threads down those channels on the outside and bare hoses all over the top... looks unfinished in the etreme.... and hugely breakable.

We all knew it would be a Toy.... but was hoping it'd be sleek and appealing... evidentially no-one from the marketting department was invited to the design reviews!

DEMa visitors- please tell us this is a preproduction model, please, please?

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Sten

Well I think that it is an interesting pice of kit aiming for a new market.

A few things looked really interesting.

1. The DSV is one of the nicest I have seen. They pobably have filed for a patent on the way the have integrated the ADV into the DSV.
2. The automatic calibration / verification of the cells.
3. The automatic switch of the dive computer between OC/CC when turning the BOV-lever.
4. The integrated tank pressure monitoring.
5. The hud with vibrator.

This beeing a "low end" rebreather with these features sets a new baseline for the more advaced and more expensive competitors out there.

The sensor concept as I understand it is based on two standrard, user replaceable, sensors that can be automatically flushed with oxygen or air diluent. For loop O2 control there are is a fifth, larger, injector. Thus, one sensor can be validated while the other one is used for loop setpoint control. When and how the oxygen calibration is done was not explained to my satisfaction.

Bill Stones reasoning behind the sensor concept would be very interesiting to read.

Note that the senor concept shall be seen as a part of the whole system and not like running any Rebreather on two cells.

/Sten

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The hoses are pre production versions, but as far as I'm aware after the chat I had about it it's as is.
Pictures to come soon

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gerstl_ossi

"They both come in sealed containers to ensure full performance when needed. Because our principle to avoid CO2 problems is simple. The canister always outlast the O2 tank".
The tank are 3L , thats 600 Liter of oxygen. On 1 liter per minute the scrubber will last 600 min on 1,5 liter per minut 400 min. Ok we should leave a litle pressure in the tank so it would be 500 ore 300. Must be a really good design
Guys from DEMA, more dedails

caveseeker7

What new market?
Recreational Rebreather diving? Dräger since the mid nineties.
Recreational CC diving? Jetsam for the past 2 years.
The Evo kinda falls into that category, too, I guess.

I doubt it will be granted, the Tiger CCR (from the Frog people) had that feature 2 years ago, and I published it complete with pictures.

Am curious about that, too. SMI got cell tracking/verification working, AP had it in the early Vision electronics, but threw it out at one upgrade or another.

Nifty! Beats the hell out of my Cochran that can't be switched at all.

The MK-5p had it (optionally for the two offboard tanks, too), the Ouroboros has it stock, the Sentinel will have it, and it's available for everyone else with the single cell/dual pressure transducers version of C2R's Universal Rebreather Monitor.

Now that has been patented, by Juergensen Marine, in form of the DIVA.

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