MK6 now launched....

**PhilSiswick** · 31st October 2007, 14:56

Part of the post-dive routine is washing the whole thing in a dishwasher.....

Hk101gr · 31st October 2007, 14:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

In the context of all the many discussions about the dangers of Rebreather and the contribution of poor diver skills to them, is that such a good thing?

Cheers,

Quote: (Originally Posted by ForTheFight)

I like this line from the brochure:

"Forget everything you might have heard about PO2, scrubber life and oxygen cells."

EDIT: This is good too:

(Under the heading: "One Sensor is Enough")
"Now you can forget about multiple oxygen sensors and the confusing complexities of voting logic."

I 'm a big supporter of expanding Rebreather use and getting more people to dive Rebreather's but only after proper practical and theoritical training.
No matter how good a rig someone builds, the user still needs to meet a certain standard of knowledge and skills to dive so claiming you've taken all the hassles of ccr's out of ccr diving is quite a big claim...

crazyoctopus · 31st October 2007, 14:59

When Poseidon announced their intention to produce the MK6 I was impressed and was looking forward to seeing a quality capable unit similar to its forebearers.
What they have produced is a pile of potentially dangerous crap.

Read the brochure and make up your minds.

http://www.poseidon.se/DL_files/Brochure07_lowres.pdf

***diverklondike*** · 31st October 2007, 15:03

I think everyone is missing the point here.

This rig is not intended for most of the people that are on this list.

The major problem with the CCR industry is that to this point there are no real rec. rigs. They are all to complex.

While I don't know if this will prove out to be the exact right rig, it is moving in exactly the right direction with the right message to the marketplace.

Just my 2 cents.

Mark

marc Inspired · 31st October 2007, 15:06

+ price
+ size
+ weight
+ Cis-Lunar technics
+/- counter lungs (+ neoprene/ - ots)
- 2 cell
- canister
- realying on electronics
----- forget about your PO2

Yes I want to try it No I don't want to buy it

**PhilSiswick** · 31st October 2007, 15:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by Hk101gr)

I 'm a big supporter of expanding Rebreather use and getting more people to dive Rebreather's but only after proper practical and theoritical training.
No matter how good a rig someone builds, the user still needs to meet a certain standard of knowledge and skills to dive so claiming you've taken all the hassles of ccr's out of ccr diving is quite a big claim...

I couldn't agree more. I find it very interesting that a normally conservative Swedish company has taken this step.

Cheers,

crazyoctopus · 31st October 2007, 15:10

Is the MK6 the right unit to bring new CCR divers on with ??

Compare it to the Boris or his little brother the Sentinel with their bailout options and the back up of electronic systems.

I agree with other postings Poseidon toyed with us like a cheap Bangkok hooker..............nasty

Blomman · 31st October 2007, 15:28

Some of the information below could be found on Poseidon's webbpage or in this thread already. This is what I recall from the preview about 10 days ago;

* Sports-dive rebreather only, max 40m
* 15Kg ready to dive. Without tanks 8Kg
* OTS neoprene lungs (4L or 6L). One dumpvalve on inhale and two on exhalelung. No add-buttons.
* 2x3L Alutanks
* xtreme first-stages
* 2.7Kg lime in pre-packed canister from Molecular Products
* Extend Air alternative also available
* Canister is made of Alu
* Electronic POD is filled with oil
* DSV/ADV/BOV in one piece, based on Xtreme second stage
* Vibrating HUD with sensor checking if you are on the loop or on OC.
* Rechargeable battery in a transparent box, easy replaceable. Lifetime min 30h
* Breathinghose inner diameter = 32mm
* M26 valve on O2-tank
* Cyklon bailout regulator

Computer;

* Upload of new firmware and download of divelogs by the user.
* Computers located in the main "pod"
* Pre-programmed unchangeable setpoints 0.4, 0.7 and 1.2. MK6 changes automatically during dive
* Bülmahn based divecomputer
* Very thin Display with auto-backlight
* O2-Sensors auto-calibrate regulary during dive. No calibration needs to be done by the diver.
* Two standard R22 sensors, one sensor is checking the other sensor??!
* Pressure-sensors are connected to the firststages
* O2 fill only to 140bar. When you refill O2 you shall change the scrubber.
* Electronic exchange program. Visit your dealer and swap your electronics when time for service
* Buddy-lights in batterycompartment so your buddy can see the warnings displayed by your HUD.

Training;

* Training possible through RAID | Rebreather Association Of International Divers (Same training course for Mk6 and Sentinel, no crossover course necessary)

// Blomman

Nad · 31st October 2007, 15:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)

I think everyone is missing the point here.

This rig is not intended for most of the people that are on this list.

The major problem with the CCR industry is that to this point there are no real rec. rigs. They are all to complex.

While I don't know if this will prove out to be the exact right rig, it is moving in exactly the right direction with the right message to the marketplace.

Just my 2 cents.

Mark

You could be right but what's about to forget one of the main concern: PO2.
I don't think a third cell could have raised the price so much.
Boh, let's see what the future will show.

Nad

**PhilSiswick** · 31st October 2007, 15:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)

I think everyone is missing the point here.

This rig is not intended for most of the people that are on this list.

The major problem with the CCR industry is that to this point there are no real rec. rigs. They are all to complex.

While I don't know if this will prove out to be the exact right rig, it is moving in exactly the right direction with the right message to the marketplace.

Just my 2 cents.

Mark

I guess the underlying question that a number of people are asking is - is eCCR the way to go for that market and are the trade-offs necessary for weight, simplicity and cost reducing safety.

As Nad says, time will tell...

Cheers,

31st October 2007, 14:56	#21 (permalink)
PhilSiswick WSKD 0001 Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 884	Re: MK6 now launched.... Part of the post-dive routine is washing the whole thing in a dishwasher..... __________________ Phil No comment on open circuit... it's an evolutionary dead end not really worth discussing here. Dave Sutton, 2007 I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 www.hugsac.org.uk
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31st October 2007, 14:58	#22 (permalink)
Hk101gr New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Patras,Greece Posts: 85	Re: MK6 now launched.... Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) In the context of all the many discussions about the dangers of Rebreather and the contribution of poor diver skills to them, is that such a good thing? Cheers, Quote: (Originally Posted by ForTheFight) I like this line from the brochure: "Forget everything you might have heard about PO2, scrubber life and oxygen cells." EDIT: This is good too: (Under the heading: "One Sensor is Enough") "Now you can forget about multiple oxygen sensors and the confusing complexities of voting logic." I 'm a big supporter of expanding Rebreather use and getting more people to dive Rebreather's but only after proper practical and theoritical training. No matter how good a rig someone builds, the user still needs to meet a certain standard of knowledge and skills to dive so claiming you've taken all the hassles of ccr's out of ccr diving is quite a big claim...
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31st October 2007, 14:59	#23 (permalink)
crazyoctopus New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Egypt Posts: 17	Re: MK6 now launched....yeah right !!! When Poseidon announced their intention to produce the MK6 I was impressed and was looking forward to seeing a quality capable unit similar to its forebearers. What they have produced is a pile of potentially dangerous crap. Read the brochure and make up your minds. http://www.poseidon.se/DL_files/Brochure07_lowres.pdf
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31st October 2007, 15:03	#24 (permalink)
*diverklondike* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,461	Re: MK6 now launched.... I think everyone is missing the point here. This rig is not intended for most of the people that are on this list. The major problem with the CCR industry is that to this point there are no real rec. rigs. They are all to complex. While I don't know if this will prove out to be the exact right rig, it is moving in exactly the right direction with the right message to the marketplace. Just my 2 cents. Mark
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31st October 2007, 15:06	#25 (permalink)
marc Inspired New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 20	Re: MK6 now launched.... + price + size + weight + Cis-Lunar technics +/- counter lungs (+ neoprene/ - ots) - 2 cell - canister - realying on electronics ----- forget about your PO2 Yes I want to try it No I don't want to buy it
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31st October 2007, 15:09	#26 (permalink)
PhilSiswick WSKD 0001 Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 884	Re: MK6 now launched.... Quote: (Originally Posted by Hk101gr) I 'm a big supporter of expanding Rebreather use and getting more people to dive Rebreather's but only after proper practical and theoritical training. No matter how good a rig someone builds, the user still needs to meet a certain standard of knowledge and skills to dive so claiming you've taken all the hassles of ccr's out of ccr diving is quite a big claim... I couldn't agree more. I find it very interesting that a normally conservative Swedish company has taken this step. Cheers, __________________ Phil No comment on open circuit... it's an evolutionary dead end not really worth discussing here. Dave Sutton, 2007 I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 www.hugsac.org.uk
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31st October 2007, 15:10	#27 (permalink)
crazyoctopus New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Egypt Posts: 17	Re: MK6 now launched.... Is the MK6 the right unit to bring new CCR divers on with ?? Compare it to the Boris or his little brother the Sentinel with their bailout options and the back up of electronic systems. I agree with other postings Poseidon toyed with us like a cheap Bangkok hooker..............nasty
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31st October 2007, 15:28	#28 (permalink)
Blomman Helium is addictive! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 148	Re: MK6 now launched.... Some of the information below could be found on Poseidon's webbpage or in this thread already. This is what I recall from the preview about 10 days ago; * Sports-dive rebreather only, max 40m * 15Kg ready to dive. Without tanks 8Kg * OTS neoprene lungs (4L or 6L). One dumpvalve on inhale and two on exhalelung. No add-buttons. * 2x3L Alutanks * xtreme first-stages * 2.7Kg lime in pre-packed canister from Molecular Products * Extend Air alternative also available * Canister is made of Alu * Electronic POD is filled with oil * DSV/ADV/BOV in one piece, based on Xtreme second stage * Vibrating HUD with sensor checking if you are on the loop or on OC. * Rechargeable battery in a transparent box, easy replaceable. Lifetime min 30h * Breathinghose inner diameter = 32mm * M26 valve on O2-tank * Cyklon bailout regulator Computer; * Upload of new firmware and download of divelogs by the user. * Computers located in the main "pod" * Pre-programmed unchangeable setpoints 0.4, 0.7 and 1.2. MK6 changes automatically during dive * Bülmahn based divecomputer * Very thin Display with auto-backlight * O2-Sensors auto-calibrate regulary during dive. No calibration needs to be done by the diver. * Two standard R22 sensors, one sensor is checking the other sensor??! * Pressure-sensors are connected to the firststages * O2 fill only to 140bar. When you refill O2 you shall change the scrubber. * Electronic exchange program. Visit your dealer and swap your electronics when time for service * Buddy-lights in batterycompartment so your buddy can see the warnings displayed by your HUD. Training; * Training possible through RAID \| Rebreather Association Of International Divers (Same training course for Mk6 and Sentinel, no crossover course necessary) // Blomman
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31st October 2007, 15:29	#29 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 940	Re: MK6 now launched.... Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike) I think everyone is missing the point here. This rig is not intended for most of the people that are on this list. The major problem with the CCR industry is that to this point there are no real rec. rigs. They are all to complex. While I don't know if this will prove out to be the exact right rig, it is moving in exactly the right direction with the right message to the marketplace. Just my 2 cents. Mark You could be right but what's about to forget one of the main concern: PO2. I don't think a third cell could have raised the price so much. Boh, let's see what the future will show. Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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31st October 2007, 15:33	#30 (permalink)
PhilSiswick WSKD 0001 Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 884	Re: MK6 now launched.... Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike) I think everyone is missing the point here. This rig is not intended for most of the people that are on this list. The major problem with the CCR industry is that to this point there are no real rec. rigs. They are all to complex. While I don't know if this will prove out to be the exact right rig, it is moving in exactly the right direction with the right message to the marketplace. Just my 2 cents. Mark I guess the underlying question that a number of people are asking is - is eCCR the way to go for that market and are the trade-offs necessary for weight, simplicity and cost reducing safety. As Nad says, time will tell... Cheers, __________________ Phil No comment on open circuit... it's an evolutionary dead end not really worth discussing here. Dave Sutton, 2007 I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 www.hugsac.org.uk
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