HMS Repulse Battle Cruiser Videos

***Beanie*** · 6th December 2006, 15:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

I really don't understand how people can be so bitter.

My view is that as long as a dive is done with respect and dignity to those who gave their lives - it helps to keep their memory alive whilst we remember those that paid the ultimate sacrifice to ensure we live free today.

I see no difference between paying our respects at a grave side, war memorials, in place like Flanders Fields at sites of other battles or beneath the waves where brave men gave their lives for their countries.

Me too but non divers don't seem to be able to understand this, somehow they can't see the similarity between the two.

**PhilSiswick** · 6th December 2006, 15:29

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

I really don't understand how people can be so bitter.

My view is that as long as a dive is done with respect and dignity to those who gave their lives - it helps to keep their memory alive whilst we remember those that paid the ultimate sacrifice to ensure we live free today.

I see no difference between paying our respects at a grave side, war memorials, in place like Flanders Fields at sites of other battles or beneath the waves where brave men gave their lives for their countries.

I'm with you on all 3 counts, with the addendum that we are likely to be among the very few who remember/honour those who gave their lives on the more obscure wrecks and in more far-flung locations.

Cheers,

Andy M · 6th December 2006, 18:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Depth-junkie)

The vids looked great. They just confirmed to me that i must get over there asap. I am hoping to get on a trip for next year, funds allowing

Is deffo on the hit list though.

I believe its technically illegal for a British citizen to actually enter the wreck. If you do, youre liable to arrest on your return to the UK.

I am simply commenting on the law, so dont take it out on me...

Andy

Drmike · 7th December 2006, 00:28

I had an old woman I didn't know call me up in tears recently thanking me for assisting in finding identifying and bringing back pics and video of her husbands resting place. Finding the wreck (that he died on) meant a huge-huge-huge amount to her and her family (as well as those of the rest of the crew)

But in some peoples eyes (usually those that know nothing and are not connected in anyway) we should not go near war graves or visit them unless they are in well manicured laws in France???!.

I had another diver working closely with a (not British) survivors association for a particular wreck bringing stuff up off the wreck for the survivors association with their blessing.

Its an emotional issue but the only thing I am 100% sure of is that survivors associations and relatives are usually very-very happy when you find the lost wrecks and bring them back details/pics.

The other thing I'm 100% sure of is that diving photographing videoing and discussion theses wrecks these days is the only thing that's keeping the memory alive of these heroes and their sacrifice than doing bugger all. Without 'diving' few people these days (internationally) would even know about the Repulse - and that would be the real crime in my view

Just like when the ID of the sub we have just found comes out there will be a whole generation of people around the world reading and learning for the first time about the crew, what they did and what was sacrificed.

When we found the USS Lagarto my video was aired on two US TV networks, stills and write ups appeared in 6 magazines, many webistes - how many people learnt about the sacrifice of these heros for the first time? and yet there was some who said we were wrong to visit it or even to search for it.

Sure you do/will get some divers who don't show respect - but they make a very small percentage of the visitors - amd in my view thats a small price to pay to keep the memory alive, afterall theres not much disrespect a diver can actually show that surpasses the disrespect several hundred tons of high explosives hasnt already given to a ship!

There is nothing majestic or dignified about being left to silently rot and collapse under heaps of old fishing net forgotten and unappreciated in dark and unvisited waters

graham_hk · 7th December 2006, 02:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

There is nothing majestic or dignified about being left to silently rot and collapse under heaps of old fishing net forgotten and unappreciated in dark and unvisited waters

It is a real shame that people get so worked up by dives on war graves - as long as they are treated appropriately I don't see the problem.
You raise an interesting point Mike about the fishing nets - why doesn't it create any controversy that fishing happens in these areas? Aside from ghost nets apart from littering the wrecks they are a real environmental problem.
Lets cut to the chase and say "the" boat to go wreck diving in the South China Sea is the MV Empress with Vidar. I have been on others and heard about others still and the Empress remains top.
Graham

Drmike · 7th December 2006, 02:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by graham_hk)

It is a real shame that people get so worked up by dives on war graves - as long as they are treated appropriately I don't see the problem.
You raise an interesting point Mike about the fishing nets - why doesn't it create any controversy that fishing happens in these areas? Aside from ghost nets apart from littering the wrecks they are a real environmental problem.
Lets cut to the chase and say "the" boat to go wreck diving in the South China Sea is the MV Empress with Vidar. I have been on others and heard about others still and the Empress remains top.
Graham

Its also important to note the seviere damage trawling does to many wrecks. We often find considerable damage to superstructure/exposed bits of wreck

We often try to remove a lot of net if its easy enough to do - it carrys on killing for decades trapping new fish (we even had dead sharks in stuff we found last week) and it makes for better photos

Of course if we find fish traps full of nice edible fish it gets sent up for dinner 'fishing empress style' is fast and efficient!

Drmike · 7th December 2006, 02:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by graham_hk)

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Lets cut to the chase and say "the" boat to go wreck diving in the South China Sea is the MV Empress with Vidar. I have been on others and heard about others still and the Empress remains top.
Graham

Of course - but Id also add Java sea to that and a few other regional waters (currently hes sailing Bali-Darwin)

Erik · 15th December 2006, 12:10

UPDATE!

Penetration videos removed since a few weeks, outside video still there.

Got some correspondence from PADI HQ in Australia in several waves...
The Brits leaned on them and they leaned on me/us.

As I don't want to get kicked out of PADI for a shit issue like this, I have removed the offending videos and made a public excuse on the website.

I have also to abide by the "military remains act" even though there are no laws governing me there.

I am curious what the deleted post(s) from parliament was about? Mind forwarding them to me if avail? I know they like to accuse me of everything between heaven and earth after they found that video (which features a single 4-5s shot of a skull, thats all).

I should probably never set my foot in England again now LOL!

Apt smilie if ever (thread's not dead, but I'm the horse haha):

Erik · 15th December 2006, 12:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Sure you do/will get some divers who don't show respect - but they make a very small percentage of the visitors - amd in my view thats a small price to pay to keep the memory alive, afterall theres not much disrespect a diver can actually show that surpasses the disrespect several hundred tons of high explosives hasnt already given to a ship!

There is nothing majestic or dignified about being left to silently rot and collapse under heaps of old fishing net forgotten and unappreciated in dark and unvisited waters

Mike, for once, you are so f**king right its scary!!!

Scuttle · 15th December 2006, 14:23

hey great shooting Erik, you have inspired me to show some of my mates Solomon video, with your great captures displayed on Goggle.
I will post another thread when it is set up.

Dr Mike, you best be careful pilfering pirate peoples lively hood. As a ex cray fisherman, I can tell ya I used to have to give some people stern warnings, along the lines of---if I catch ya, you will end up in my cray-pot catching fish for me. Even had Mr. Plod pay me a visit one time but didn't have too many problems after that. I imagine over there they would probably rape you first before chopping you up.

I agree with you guys with paying our respects when diving on the wrecks, no harm in it. Relatives & ex-service often are very happy to go out on the boat to lay a reef over the sites. Last year we saw some ex navy visit Tulagi for the anniversary & one old fella was overwhelmed when presented with a Mug off the ship he served on. Very emotional & thankful for it.

6th December 2006, 15:28	#11 (permalink)
*Beanie* give a man an inch....... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,247	Re: HMS Repulse Battle Cruiser Videos Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) I really don't understand how people can be so bitter. My view is that as long as a dive is done with respect and dignity to those who gave their lives - it helps to keep their memory alive whilst we remember those that paid the ultimate sacrifice to ensure we live free today. I see no difference between paying our respects at a grave side, war memorials, in place like Flanders Fields at sites of other battles or beneath the waves where brave men gave their lives for their countries. Me too but non divers don't seem to be able to understand this, somehow they can't see the similarity between the two. __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk 0871 242 7808
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6th December 2006, 15:29	#12 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 988	Re: HMS Repulse Battle Cruiser Videos Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) I really don't understand how people can be so bitter. My view is that as long as a dive is done with respect and dignity to those who gave their lives - it helps to keep their memory alive whilst we remember those that paid the ultimate sacrifice to ensure we live free today. I see no difference between paying our respects at a grave side, war memorials, in place like Flanders Fields at sites of other battles or beneath the waves where brave men gave their lives for their countries. I'm with you on all 3 counts, with the addendum that we are likely to be among the very few who remember/honour those who gave their lives on the more obscure wrecks and in more far-flung locations. Cheers, __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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6th December 2006, 18:02	#13 (permalink)
Andy M Dude Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 424	Re: HMS Repulse Battle Cruiser Videos Quote: (Originally Posted by Depth-junkie) The vids looked great. They just confirmed to me that i must get over there asap. I am hoping to get on a trip for next year, funds allowing Is deffo on the hit list though. I believe its technically illegal for a British citizen to actually enter the wreck. If you do, youre liable to arrest on your return to the UK. I am simply commenting on the law, so dont take it out on me... Andy __________________ Know your PO2 at all times
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7th December 2006, 00:28	#14 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,300	Re: HMS Repulse Battle Cruiser Videos I had an old woman I didn't know call me up in tears recently thanking me for assisting in finding identifying and bringing back pics and video of her husbands resting place. Finding the wreck (that he died on) meant a huge-huge-huge amount to her and her family (as well as those of the rest of the crew) But in some peoples eyes (usually those that know nothing and are not connected in anyway) we should not go near war graves or visit them unless they are in well manicured laws in France???!. I had another diver working closely with a (not British) survivors association for a particular wreck bringing stuff up off the wreck for the survivors association with their blessing. Its an emotional issue but the only thing I am 100% sure of is that survivors associations and relatives are usually very-very happy when you find the lost wrecks and bring them back details/pics. The other thing I'm 100% sure of is that diving photographing videoing and discussion theses wrecks these days is the only thing that's keeping the memory alive of these heroes and their sacrifice than doing bugger all. Without 'diving' few people these days (internationally) would even know about the Repulse - and that would be the real crime in my view Just like when the ID of the sub we have just found comes out there will be a whole generation of people around the world reading and learning for the first time about the crew, what they did and what was sacrificed. When we found the USS Lagarto my video was aired on two US TV networks, stills and write ups appeared in 6 magazines, many webistes - how many people learnt about the sacrifice of these heros for the first time? and yet there was some who said we were wrong to visit it or even to search for it. Sure you do/will get some divers who don't show respect - but they make a very small percentage of the visitors - amd in my view thats a small price to pay to keep the memory alive, afterall theres not much disrespect a diver can actually show that surpasses the disrespect several hundred tons of high explosives hasnt already given to a ship! There is nothing majestic or dignified about being left to silently rot and collapse under heaps of old fishing net forgotten and unappreciated in dark and unvisited waters __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment Last edited by Drmike : 7th December 2006 at 00:38.
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7th December 2006, 02:04	#15 (permalink)
graham_hk Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: RB80 / Clone Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss MK 15.X RB80 / Clone Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Philippines Posts: 106	Re: HMS Repulse Battle Cruiser Videos Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) There is nothing majestic or dignified about being left to silently rot and collapse under heaps of old fishing net forgotten and unappreciated in dark and unvisited waters It is a real shame that people get so worked up by dives on war graves - as long as they are treated appropriately I don't see the problem. You raise an interesting point Mike about the fishing nets - why doesn't it create any controversy that fishing happens in these areas? Aside from ghost nets apart from littering the wrecks they are a real environmental problem. Lets cut to the chase and say "the" boat to go wreck diving in the South China Sea is the MV Empress with Vidar. I have been on others and heard about others still and the Empress remains top. Graham Last edited by graham_hk : 7th December 2006 at 02:10.
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7th December 2006, 02:34	#16 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,300	Re: HMS Repulse Battle Cruiser Videos Quote: (Originally Posted by graham_hk) It is a real shame that people get so worked up by dives on war graves - as long as they are treated appropriately I don't see the problem. You raise an interesting point Mike about the fishing nets - why doesn't it create any controversy that fishing happens in these areas? Aside from ghost nets apart from littering the wrecks they are a real environmental problem. Lets cut to the chase and say "the" boat to go wreck diving in the South China Sea is the MV Empress with Vidar. I have been on others and heard about others still and the Empress remains top. Graham Its also important to note the seviere damage trawling does to many wrecks. We often find considerable damage to superstructure/exposed bits of wreck We often try to remove a lot of net if its easy enough to do - it carrys on killing for decades trapping new fish (we even had dead sharks in stuff we found last week) and it makes for better photos Of course if we find fish traps full of nice edible fish it gets sent up for dinner 'fishing empress style' is fast and efficient! __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment Last edited by Drmike : 7th December 2006 at 02:39.
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7th December 2006, 02:38	#17 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,300	Re: HMS Repulse Battle Cruiser Videos Quote: (Originally Posted by graham_hk) . Lets cut to the chase and say "the" boat to go wreck diving in the South China Sea is the MV Empress with Vidar. I have been on others and heard about others still and the Empress remains top. Graham Of course - but Id also add Java sea to that and a few other regional waters (currently hes sailing Bali-Darwin) __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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15th December 2006, 12:10	#18 (permalink)
Erik no bubble maker Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Thailand Posts: 21	Re: HMS Repulse Battle Cruiser Videos UPDATE! Penetration videos removed since a few weeks, outside video still there. Got some correspondence from PADI HQ in Australia in several waves... The Brits leaned on them and they leaned on me/us. As I don't want to get kicked out of PADI for a shit issue like this, I have removed the offending videos and made a public excuse on the website. I have also to abide by the "military remains act" even though there are no laws governing me there. I am curious what the deleted post(s) from parliament was about? Mind forwarding them to me if avail? I know they like to accuse me of everything between heaven and earth after they found that video (which features a single 4-5s shot of a skull, thats all). I should probably never set my foot in England again now LOL! Apt smilie if ever (thread's not dead, but I'm the horse haha):
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15th December 2006, 12:13	#19 (permalink)
Erik no bubble maker Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Thailand Posts: 21	Re: HMS Repulse Battle Cruiser Videos Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Sure you do/will get some divers who don't show respect - but they make a very small percentage of the visitors - amd in my view thats a small price to pay to keep the memory alive, afterall theres not much disrespect a diver can actually show that surpasses the disrespect several hundred tons of high explosives hasnt already given to a ship! There is nothing majestic or dignified about being left to silently rot and collapse under heaps of old fishing net forgotten and unappreciated in dark and unvisited waters Mike, for once, you are so f**king right its scary!!!
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15th December 2006, 14:23	#20 (permalink)
Scuttle 1 Grumpy ole skipper Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jan Juc, Vic, Australia Posts: 239	Re: HMS Repulse Battle Cruiser Videos hey great shooting Erik, you have inspired me to show some of my mates Solomon video, with your great captures displayed on Goggle. I will post another thread when it is set up. Dr Mike, you best be careful pilfering pirate peoples lively hood. As a ex cray fisherman, I can tell ya I used to have to give some people stern warnings, along the lines of---if I catch ya, you will end up in my cray-pot catching fish for me. Even had Mr. Plod pay me a visit one time but didn't have too many problems after that. I imagine over there they would probably rape you first before chopping you up. I agree with you guys with paying our respects when diving on the wrecks, no harm in it. Relatives & ex-service often are very happy to go out on the boat to lay a reef over the sites. Last year we saw some ex navy visit Tulagi for the anniversary & one old fella was overwhelmed when presented with a Mug off the ship he served on. Very emotional & thankful for it.
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