Boris is around

Nad · 6th June 2005, 14:11

Finally got Boris (nice nickname though).

I just and only dived it for around 10 hours and I need a couple of days to write something more. However the first and abosultly personal impression is: don't waist time with something else...

My first concern was about maintenance: absolutly easy.
Just refill the canister and go (well, almost).
The canister is so good that when I opened it to change the sofnolime it was dry!!
The canister design is great: CE tested for 3,5 hrs but no many problem for up to 5 with Sofnolime Grade 797.
The main electronic also show a canister temp graph, just to get an idea on how is working (not something you have to rely on).

The electronic in general is really easy to undertand, especially if the user already know the VR3. Good the passive PO2 monitor and it is possible to dive the unit just with the HUD.

They don't build in a bailout system such a regulator, so you MUST always take a separated tank with.

Oh, I can't forget the course, made with Phil Short, really really a good instructor, thanks to him.

Ok, for the moment let me try to quiet down my girlfriend, she's pretty upset because I didn't have time for here in the last 10 days...

I told her: if Boris will learn to do homeworks she will have to leave...

.

Nad

***schford*** · 6th June 2005, 14:21

Hi Nad,

Thanks for starting off the forum.....

Could you clarify I thought the scrubber duration was approved at 150 minutes.....

Stuart

Pelagian · 6th June 2005, 15:29

Got to do a try a dive on the Ouroboross with Kevin in our pool.

The unit is unbeleiably robust, with no rubber hoses or o-rings on the pneumatics. All hoses are Stainless steel with compression fittings.

Posiedon extremes for first stages.

The solenoid can apperntly handle IP's that range from practically nothing to as high as 20bar.

The Electronics package is completely intergrated. Digital pressure monitoring, full onboard decompression, the works. The startup routine had the usual checklist except that when your do your loop pressure checks the system can actually tell you if the loop is leaking.

The scrubber is way cool. A short and very wide radial donut. Kevin has added some patented s - shaped fins that radiate out from the center of the scrubber. These improve dwell time by I beleive between 10 - 20 % giving you even longer duration.

Two 13cft tanks are installed as standard. When I asked why there was no integrated bailout or BCD inflation, Kevin made a very convincing argument for seperating these aspects from your rig to reduce failure points, and place them on your offboard bailouts.

The H.U.D. has a lot more info on then I'm used to seeing and the vibration alram will definitely get your attention.

Some of the other cool features, include two wicked gas blocks that sit on your harness just below your colar bone. These allow you to plug in offboard gases into the automation of the unit. So you can plug offboard Dill into the ADV and off board oxygen (or whatever you have) into the solenoid. There's a cut off valve for both the ADV and the solenoid a as well, so you can shut them both down and without interuppting the manual feeds.

A peculiar feature is an extra Po2 display on the lower back of the shell so team memebers can see eacothers readings.

I couldn't really give it a fair swim test as the harness was way to big for me, suffice to say that it is quite a big unit.

I'd like to dive it agian with my harness and give it a fairer swim test.

Since I spend every moment I have making my Meg smaller and more streamlined, this unit is not for me as it's too big, but the electronics package is to die for and the one overwhelming feature is that unit is the thoughest out there. I think you hit it with a bus, and it would still keep going.

Perhaps a good commerical unit?

Cheers

Seb

Nad · 6th June 2005, 15:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by Pelagian)

Got to do a try a dive on the Ouroboross with Kevin in our pool.

The unit is unbeleiably robust, with no rubber hoses or o-rings on the pneumatics. All hoses are Stainless steel with compression fittings.

Posiedon extremes for first stages.

The solenoid can apperntly handle IP's that range from practically nothing to as high as 20bar.

The Electronics package is completely intergrated. Digital pressure monitoring, full onboard decompression, the works. The startup routine had the usual checklist except that when your do your loop pressure checks the system can actually tell you if the loop is leaking.

The scrubber is way cool. A short and very wide radial donut. Kevin has added some patented s - shaped fins that radiate out from the center of the scrubber. These improve dwell time by I beleive between 10 - 20 % giving you even longer duration.

Two 13cft tanks are installed as standard. When I asked why there was no integrated bailout or BCD inflation, Kevin made a very convincing argument for seperating these aspects from your rig to reduce failure points, and place them on your offboard bailouts.

The H.U.D. has a lot more info on then I'm used to seeing and the vibration alram will definitely get your attention.

Some of the other cool features, include two wicked gas blocks that sit on your harness just below your colar bone. These allow you to plug in offboard gases into the automation of the unit. So you can plug offboard Dill into the ADV and off board oxygen (or whatever you have) into the solenoid. There's a cut off valve for both the ADV and the solenoid a as well, so you can shut them both down and without interuppting the manual feeds.

A peculiar feature is an extra Po2 display on the lower back of the shell so team memebers can see eacothers readings.

I couldn't really give it a fair swim test as the harness was way to big for me, suffice to say that it is quite a big unit.

I'd like to dive it agian with my harness and give it a fairer swim test.

Since I spend every moment I have making my Meg smaller and more streamlined, this unit is not for me as it's too big, but the electronics package is to die for and the one overwhelming feature is that unit is the thoughest out there. I think you hit it with a bus, and it would still keep going.

Perhaps a good commerical unit?

Cheers

Seb

Thanks Seb,
You described the unit better than I could ever do.
Actually it is a big unit, but not very bigger than the Inspiration.
However still better than carry twin 18 liters.

Follow...

Nad

Pelagian · 6th June 2005, 15:57

I think anything is better than carrying around twin 18 l's ;o)

Keep us updated on how your diving goes with unit.

Cheers

Seb

Nad · 6th June 2005, 16:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Hi Nad,

Thanks for starting off the forum.....

Could you clarify I thought the scrubber duration was approved at 150 minutes.....

Stuart

Yes, sorry, 2,5 hours originally but improved with the scrubber wings Seb was talking about.

Nad

***caveseeker7*** · 6th June 2005, 18:04

Congratulations, Nad. !

I'm thrilled to hear that Kevin managed to get the extra hour during testing for CE rating.
Much more appropriate for a CCR of this design, purpose and price.

The Ouroboros is one of the most impressive CCRs I've seen, and Kevin icorporated several features I like. Not just the off-board plug-ins that are mentioned, but also switches to isolate automatic gas addition (solenoid and ADV) from manual gas addition. Little things like that, and there are plenty of them.

I'm really looking forward for more feedback.

***Decodiver*** · 6th June 2005, 21:14

Hi Nad,

Glad you like Boris, Phill has offered me a try dive for a go on my Meg, I will give him a call soon.

Post some piccies when you have a moment.

Take care and have fun,

Dave Cooper.

Nad · 6th June 2005, 21:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Hi Nad,

Glad you like Boris, Phill has offered me a try dive for a go on my Meg, I will give him a call soon.

Post some piccies when you have a moment.

Take care and have fun,

Dave Cooper.

Go Dave Go, it is a good idea.
Say hello to Phill.
Tomorrow I'll start some series of dives, then I'll try to let me do some pictures.

Best,

Nad

Drmike · 7th June 2005, 01:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by Pelagian)

When I asked why there was no integrated bailout or BCD inflation, Kevin made a very convincing argument for seperating these aspects from your rig to reduce failure points, and place them on your offboard bailouts.

This is the way my MK15.5 is rigged - on deep dives I was also using a lot of dil from my onboard and having to fill between dives. By plumbing off the off-board both the BCD and OC/CC DSV (Through one QC and a T piece) I have more time to drink beer between dives.

With my original set up on one dive I ran out of dil on a descent and was not able to breathe as the ADV couldnt fire and CL collapsed and then not able to stop the descent because BCD couldnt inflate - that was the moment that I decided to rethink the old set up

...the moment I hit the seabed

6th June 2005, 14:11	#1 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 941	Boris is around Finally got Boris (nice nickname though). I just and only dived it for around 10 hours and I need a couple of days to write something more. However the first and abosultly personal impression is: don't waist time with something else... My first concern was about maintenance: absolutly easy. Just refill the canister and go (well, almost). The canister is so good that when I opened it to change the sofnolime it was dry!! The canister design is great: CE tested for 3,5 hrs but no many problem for up to 5 with Sofnolime Grade 797. The main electronic also show a canister temp graph, just to get an idea on how is working (not something you have to rely on). The electronic in general is really easy to undertand, especially if the user already know the VR3. Good the passive PO2 monitor and it is possible to dive the unit just with the HUD. They don't build in a bailout system such a regulator, so you MUST always take a separated tank with. Oh, I can't forget the course, made with Phil Short, really really a good instructor, thanks to him. Ok, for the moment let me try to quiet down my girlfriend, she's pretty upset because I didn't have time for here in the last 10 days... I told her: if Boris will learn to do homeworks she will have to leave... . Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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6th June 2005, 14:21	#2 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,662	Hi Nad, Thanks for starting off the forum..... Could you clarify I thought the scrubber duration was approved at 150 minutes..... Stuart
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6th June 2005, 15:29	#3 (permalink)
Pelagian Multi-Circuit Meg Monkey! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Optima Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 275	First look Got to do a try a dive on the Ouroboross with Kevin in our pool. The unit is unbeleiably robust, with no rubber hoses or o-rings on the pneumatics. All hoses are Stainless steel with compression fittings. Posiedon extremes for first stages. The solenoid can apperntly handle IP's that range from practically nothing to as high as 20bar. The Electronics package is completely intergrated. Digital pressure monitoring, full onboard decompression, the works. The startup routine had the usual checklist except that when your do your loop pressure checks the system can actually tell you if the loop is leaking. The scrubber is way cool. A short and very wide radial donut. Kevin has added some patented s - shaped fins that radiate out from the center of the scrubber. These improve dwell time by I beleive between 10 - 20 % giving you even longer duration. Two 13cft tanks are installed as standard. When I asked why there was no integrated bailout or BCD inflation, Kevin made a very convincing argument for seperating these aspects from your rig to reduce failure points, and place them on your offboard bailouts. The H.U.D. has a lot more info on then I'm used to seeing and the vibration alram will definitely get your attention. Some of the other cool features, include two wicked gas blocks that sit on your harness just below your colar bone. These allow you to plug in offboard gases into the automation of the unit. So you can plug offboard Dill into the ADV and off board oxygen (or whatever you have) into the solenoid. There's a cut off valve for both the ADV and the solenoid a as well, so you can shut them both down and without interuppting the manual feeds. A peculiar feature is an extra Po2 display on the lower back of the shell so team memebers can see eacothers readings. I couldn't really give it a fair swim test as the harness was way to big for me, suffice to say that it is quite a big unit. I'd like to dive it agian with my harness and give it a fairer swim test. Since I spend every moment I have making my Meg smaller and more streamlined, this unit is not for me as it's too big, but the electronics package is to die for and the one overwhelming feature is that unit is the thoughest out there. I think you hit it with a bus, and it would still keep going. Perhaps a good commerical unit? Cheers Seb __________________ 'Because... I was Inverted!'
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6th June 2005, 15:39	#4 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 941	Quote: (Originally Posted by Pelagian) Got to do a try a dive on the Ouroboross with Kevin in our pool. The unit is unbeleiably robust, with no rubber hoses or o-rings on the pneumatics. All hoses are Stainless steel with compression fittings. Posiedon extremes for first stages. The solenoid can apperntly handle IP's that range from practically nothing to as high as 20bar. The Electronics package is completely intergrated. Digital pressure monitoring, full onboard decompression, the works. The startup routine had the usual checklist except that when your do your loop pressure checks the system can actually tell you if the loop is leaking. The scrubber is way cool. A short and very wide radial donut. Kevin has added some patented s - shaped fins that radiate out from the center of the scrubber. These improve dwell time by I beleive between 10 - 20 % giving you even longer duration. Two 13cft tanks are installed as standard. When I asked why there was no integrated bailout or BCD inflation, Kevin made a very convincing argument for seperating these aspects from your rig to reduce failure points, and place them on your offboard bailouts. The H.U.D. has a lot more info on then I'm used to seeing and the vibration alram will definitely get your attention. Some of the other cool features, include two wicked gas blocks that sit on your harness just below your colar bone. These allow you to plug in offboard gases into the automation of the unit. So you can plug offboard Dill into the ADV and off board oxygen (or whatever you have) into the solenoid. There's a cut off valve for both the ADV and the solenoid a as well, so you can shut them both down and without interuppting the manual feeds. A peculiar feature is an extra Po2 display on the lower back of the shell so team memebers can see eacothers readings. I couldn't really give it a fair swim test as the harness was way to big for me, suffice to say that it is quite a big unit. I'd like to dive it agian with my harness and give it a fairer swim test. Since I spend every moment I have making my Meg smaller and more streamlined, this unit is not for me as it's too big, but the electronics package is to die for and the one overwhelming feature is that unit is the thoughest out there. I think you hit it with a bus, and it would still keep going. Perhaps a good commerical unit? Cheers Seb Thanks Seb, You described the unit better than I could ever do. Actually it is a big unit, but not very bigger than the Inspiration. However still better than carry twin 18 liters. Follow... Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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6th June 2005, 15:57	#5 (permalink)
Pelagian Multi-Circuit Meg Monkey! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Optima Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 275	Wait Reduction I think anything is better than carrying around twin 18 l's ;o) Keep us updated on how your diving goes with unit. Cheers Seb __________________ 'Because... I was Inverted!'
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6th June 2005, 16:54	#6 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 941	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) Hi Nad, Thanks for starting off the forum..... Could you clarify I thought the scrubber duration was approved at 150 minutes..... Stuart Yes, sorry, 2,5 hours originally but improved with the scrubber wings Seb was talking about. Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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6th June 2005, 18:04	#7 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Congratulations, Nad. ! I'm thrilled to hear that Kevin managed to get the extra hour during testing for CE rating. Much more appropriate for a CCR of this design, purpose and price. The Ouroboros is one of the most impressive CCRs I've seen, and Kevin icorporated several features I like. Not just the off-board plug-ins that are mentioned, but also switches to isolate automatic gas addition (solenoid and ADV) from manual gas addition. Little things like that, and there are plenty of them. I'm really looking forward for more feedback. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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6th June 2005, 21:14	#8 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Ouroboros rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,168	Hi Nad, Glad you like Boris, Phill has offered me a try dive for a go on my Meg, I will give him a call soon. Post some piccies when you have a moment. Take care and have fun, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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6th June 2005, 21:22	#9 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 941	Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Hi Nad, Glad you like Boris, Phill has offered me a try dive for a go on my Meg, I will give him a call soon. Post some piccies when you have a moment. Take care and have fun, Dave Cooper. Go Dave Go, it is a good idea. Say hello to Phill. Tomorrow I'll start some series of dives, then I'll try to let me do some pictures. Best, Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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7th June 2005, 01:02	#10 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,128	Quote: (Originally Posted by Pelagian) When I asked why there was no integrated bailout or BCD inflation, Kevin made a very convincing argument for seperating these aspects from your rig to reduce failure points, and place them on your offboard bailouts. This is the way my MK15.5 is rigged - on deep dives I was also using a lot of dil from my onboard and having to fill between dives. By plumbing off the off-board both the BCD and OC/CC DSV (Through one QC and a T piece) I have more time to drink beer between dives. With my original set up on one dive I ran out of dil on a descent and was not able to breathe as the ADV couldnt fire and CL collapsed and then not able to stop the descent because BCD couldnt inflate - that was the moment that I decided to rethink the old set up ...the moment I hit the seabed
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