Boris is around

***caveseeker7*** · 8th June 2005, 15:53

Thanks Nad ... maybe change the thread to "Big Bertha is around"?

Good setup time for such an advanced unit.

Phil · 8th June 2005, 15:54

Hi Nad,

On the practical side, how did it work with GB VAT since we are not in EU. How did you import it in CH and CH VAT.

Any issues on that side?

Thks,
Phil

Nad · 8th June 2005, 21:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by Phil)

Hi Nad,

On the practical side, how did it work with GB VAT since we are not in EU. How did you import it in CH and CH VAT.

Any issues on that side?

Thks,
Phil

This was one of the problems, their politic is: with VAT in England, without VAT in EU.
Outside EU price is the UK one.
You have to call them and ask directly.
Finally I said myself, what the hell, take this unit and stop!

Nad

Nad · 12th June 2005, 18:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Im interested in the thickness of the unit - can you measure it for me at its thickest point.

Also 3.5hours is kinda short - compared to other units is there a more reasonable 'unofficial' scrubber lifetime? in the same way the MK15.5 is rated at 300 mins at 90m, people regularly run it for twice that long albeit they are not staying at 90m the whole duration

.

Ok, just finished some dives.
Magnific: when I disassembled it, it was dry, beside some drops.
I did around 4 hours in 3 days, max depth 30 m. Just rinsed the mouthpiece and hoses between dives, that's it.
The unit is working so smooth.

Mike at the thickest point the unit is around 24 cm

62 cm High
17 cm the less thick point
41 cm width

Nad

***schford*** · 12th June 2005, 20:05

Hi Nad,

Caught up with Phil on Saturday....He said you rocked yoru course ;-)

Stuart

Nad · 12th June 2005, 22:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Hi Nad,

Caught up with Phil on Saturday....He said you rocked yoru course ;-)

Stuart

I had a good instructor...

Nad

decoweenie · 17th August 2005, 10:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad)

62 cm High
17 cm the less thick point
41 cm width

Zak,

I think it was you who mentioned in the past that the O-bus is similar in size to the CK ?

Well, I received the DVD from a friend who went to Inner-Space 2005. After reviewing it and seen different divers with the O-bus (Kevin Gurr) and CK (Kim ?), it looks to me that the O-bus is a lot bigger.

All right, if you take one dimension (say thickness at 17cm/6.7in), it might be close, but overall volume of the O-bus is huge.

Looking from the back of the diver gives the impression of a "spare tire on the back end of a SUV"...

Drmike · 18th August 2005, 03:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Zak,

I think it was you who mentioned in the past that the O-bus is similar in size to the CK ?

Well, I received the DVD from a friend who went to Inner-Space 2005. After reviewing it and seen different divers with the O-bus (Kevin Gurr) and CK (Kim ?), it looks to me that the O-bus is a lot bigger.

All right, if you take one dimension (say thickness at 17cm/6.7in), it might be close, but overall volume of the O-bus is huge.

Looking from the back of the diver gives the impression of a "spare tire on the back end of a SUV"...

The maximum thickness is the one that matters the most to me when squeezing through holes. At 24cm its thicker than my MK15.5 (Which already is too thick a lot of times)

I wonder how it swims in current?

I must admit Im having a very hard time seeing the advantage of the Boris over the MK15.5/MK16. Its more complicated, has more to go wrong, Its bigger, has a shorter (stated) duration, less proven (new so no track record yet). Ok it has integrated deco - but thats no biggy to me. Some might assume parts are easier to get - but thats maybe not true as there are several sources of MK15.5 parts and all parts are available or can easily be fabricated. Still Im waiting to hear back from the good Doc - I am still hoping (because I like buying new gear

) for a compeling argument as to why I should swap.

decoweenie · 18th August 2005, 04:35

The thing that I don't like about the O-bus is it seems to be going down the same path as the Cis - require the owner to send the unit back to the manufacturer every 2 years for check-up (that's I heard ?).

On the Cis, the computer locks up so you MUST send it back since it is not diveable. Is it the same for the O-bus ?

If/when the manufacturer goes bust, who will be around to unlock your unit for you ? I know Kevin is doing it now for the Cis, but it was flounder around for a few years before they made the deal with Kevin.

koputai · 18th August 2005, 11:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Still Im waiting to hear back from the good Doc - I am still hoping (because I like buying new gear

) for a compeling argument as to why I should swap.

Well Mike, when you retire the 155, send it to me, I'll look after it for you. It'll still be working long after Boris has retired. The only thing better than a 155, maintenance wise, is a 15!!

Jason.

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8th June 2005, 21:17	#23 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 980	Quote: (Originally Posted by Phil) Hi Nad, On the practical side, how did it work with GB VAT since we are not in EU. How did you import it in CH and CH VAT. Any issues on that side? Thks, Phil This was one of the problems, their politic is: with VAT in England, without VAT in EU. Outside EU price is the UK one. You have to call them and ask directly. Finally I said myself, what the hell, take this unit and stop! Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 980	Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Im interested in the thickness of the unit - can you measure it for me at its thickest point. Also 3.5hours is kinda short - compared to other units is there a more reasonable 'unofficial' scrubber lifetime? in the same way the MK15.5 is rated at 300 mins at 90m, people regularly run it for twice that long albeit they are not staying at 90m the whole duration. Ok, just finished some dives. Magnific: when I disassembled it, it was dry, beside some drops. I did around 4 hours in 3 days, max depth 30 m. Just rinsed the mouthpiece and hoses between dives, that's it. The unit is working so smooth. Mike at the thickest point the unit is around 24 cm 62 cm High 17 cm the less thick point 41 cm width Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 980	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) Hi Nad, Caught up with Phil on Saturday....He said you rocked yoru course ;-) Stuart I had a good instructor... Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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17th August 2005, 10:47	#27 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	O-bus size Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad) 62 cm High 17 cm the less thick point 41 cm width Zak, I think it was you who mentioned in the past that the O-bus is similar in size to the CK ? Well, I received the DVD from a friend who went to Inner-Space 2005. After reviewing it and seen different divers with the O-bus (Kevin Gurr) and CK (Kim ?), it looks to me that the O-bus is a lot bigger. All right, if you take one dimension (say thickness at 17cm/6.7in), it might be close, but overall volume of the O-bus is huge. Looking from the back of the diver gives the impression of a "spare tire on the back end of a SUV"... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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18th August 2005, 03:27	#28 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,289	Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Zak, I think it was you who mentioned in the past that the O-bus is similar in size to the CK ? Well, I received the DVD from a friend who went to Inner-Space 2005. After reviewing it and seen different divers with the O-bus (Kevin Gurr) and CK (Kim ?), it looks to me that the O-bus is a lot bigger. All right, if you take one dimension (say thickness at 17cm/6.7in), it might be close, but overall volume of the O-bus is huge. Looking from the back of the diver gives the impression of a "spare tire on the back end of a SUV"... The maximum thickness is the one that matters the most to me when squeezing through holes. At 24cm its thicker than my MK15.5 (Which already is too thick a lot of times) I wonder how it swims in current? I must admit Im having a very hard time seeing the advantage of the Boris over the MK15.5/MK16. Its more complicated, has more to go wrong, Its bigger, has a shorter (stated) duration, less proven (new so no track record yet). Ok it has integrated deco - but thats no biggy to me. Some might assume parts are easier to get - but thats maybe not true as there are several sources of MK15.5 parts and all parts are available or can easily be fabricated. Still Im waiting to hear back from the good Doc - I am still hoping (because I like buying new gear ) for a compeling argument as to why I should swap. __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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18th August 2005, 04:35	#29 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	The thing that I don't like about the O-bus is it seems to be going down the same path as the Cis - require the owner to send the unit back to the manufacturer every 2 years for check-up (that's I heard ?). On the Cis, the computer locks up so you MUST send it back since it is not diveable. Is it the same for the O-bus ? If/when the manufacturer goes bust, who will be around to unlock your unit for you ? I know Kevin is doing it now for the Cis, but it was flounder around for a few years before they made the deal with Kevin. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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18th August 2005, 11:53	#30 (permalink)
koputai Subsea Systems Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 333	Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Still Im waiting to hear back from the good Doc - I am still hoping (because I like buying new gear ) for a compeling argument as to why I should swap. Well Mike, when you retire the 155, send it to me, I'll look after it for you. It'll still be working long after Boris has retired. The only thing better than a 155, maintenance wise, is a 15!! Jason.
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