Swage Lock - Which way round

CCR900 · 10th September 2006, 11:36

I need to get the swage lock set but see CCRB set looks expensive and I am looking for 'extra bits' as well so am looking at alternatives but would like to understand a few questions:

- Is there a set (recommended) flow direction i.e. Male to Female or vise versa for the connectors?
- CCRB sell male to female flow right?
- Do the set CCRB sell come with caps for the male connector? (I noted that it is real easy to depress the male (when unconnected) causing free flow from the stages).
- If not are they easily available?
- If the male connector was plugged in the reverse way (i.e. on the Ouroborus block), if the male was depressed (when not plugged into then female connector) would water enter the block and or even loop (I say block yes, loop no)?
- In salt water would this damage the block in any way?

Many thanks.

Fil

dave t · 10th September 2006, 13:28

Fil

not sure about the Boris stuff but as a genral rule put the male end on the breather and the female on the stage, the female end is much more robust than the male which can damage fairly easily and make connecting a pain. There is a make of connector, Parker hanifin I think that actually expels water as you connect the two halves. Not sure if Nick Jewson is on this board but I think he has a set on his Cis

HTH
Dave

gibbogeo · 10th September 2006, 16:07

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

- Is there a set (recommended) flow direction i.e. Male to Female or vise versa for the connectors?

I attached an image taken from the swagelok catalog showing the flow direction.

Caps for both end of the Quick Connect (stem and body) area available from Swagelok.

CCR900 · 11th September 2006, 06:23

Thanks. From what I can understand the SESO diagram shows female to male flow, which agrees with DAve's comments, right? So why does CCRB put it in reverse??

Fil

decoweenie · 11th September 2006, 06:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

So why does CCRB put it in reverse??

The PVR-BASC was also used in reverse with QC-6. Also, the guys who dived the MK-15 units when I first get into CCR were doing the same with QC-4.

The only possible explanations I could think of are:

People tend to think male->female without checking
Male part is lighter/smaller so seems to fit on the stage easier

Stephane · 11th September 2006, 07:59

You forgot this one Decoweenie:

The male part (SS-QC4-D-400 for example) is cheaper than the female part (SS-QC4-B-400): 26 euros vs 33 euros (Swagelok website prices).

CCR900 · 11th September 2006, 08:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino Corp.)

The male part (SS-QC4-D-400 for example) is cheaper than the female part (SS-QC4-B-400): 26 euros vs 33 euros (Swagelok website prices).

So +/- €440 for 4 swagelock parts and hoses looks a little steep right?

F

CCR900 · 11th September 2006, 08:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Male part is lighter/smaller so seems to fit on the stage easier

Thanks matey ....Having the more robust female part knocking around on my stage seems to make more sense......

decoweenie · 11th September 2006, 08:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

Thanks matey ....Having the more robust female part knocking around on my stage seems to make more sense......

Keep in mind that the connecting hose on the stage is kept in place via bungie just like the LP hose feeding the reg. Once the stage is clipped, there is very little banging if you keep the connecor in the good location.

Plus the tip is kept from getting pushed in as well since it is parallel to the hose.

On the PVR, the switch-block has the connectors are 90-deg angle on the hip. So if the male connector is there and unplugged, it will get more bumps and the tip will get pushed in.

Just my personal experience...

Phil · 11th September 2006, 08:41

Hi Fil,

Use to have QC4 on my Boris, now I have moved to QC6 with male stem on the gas connector and female on stage, this respect the flow as Swagelok recommendation.

Will add pictures tonight!

Cheers,

10th September 2006, 11:36	#1 (permalink)
CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Swage Lock - Which way round I need to get the swage lock set but see CCRB set looks expensive and I am looking for 'extra bits' as well so am looking at alternatives but would like to understand a few questions: - Is there a set (recommended) flow direction i.e. Male to Female or vise versa for the connectors? - CCRB sell male to female flow right? - Do the set CCRB sell come with caps for the male connector? (I noted that it is real easy to depress the male (when unconnected) causing free flow from the stages). - If not are they easily available? - If the male connector was plugged in the reverse way (i.e. on the Ouroborus block), if the male was depressed (when not plugged into then female connector) would water enter the block and or even loop (I say block yes, loop no)? - In salt water would this damage the block in any way? Many thanks. Fil
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10th September 2006, 13:28	#2 (permalink)
dave t Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 621	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Fil not sure about the Boris stuff but as a genral rule put the male end on the breather and the female on the stage, the female end is much more robust than the male which can damage fairly easily and make connecting a pain. There is a make of connector, Parker hanifin I think that actually expels water as you connect the two halves. Not sure if Nick Jewson is on this board but I think he has a set on his Cis HTH Dave
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CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Thanks. From what I can understand the SESO diagram shows female to male flow, which agrees with DAve's comments, right? So why does CCRB put it in reverse?? Fil
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11th September 2006, 06:50	#5 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900) So why does CCRB put it in reverse?? The PVR-BASC was also used in reverse with QC-6. Also, the guys who dived the MK-15 units when I first get into CCR were doing the same with QC-4. The only possible explanations I could think of are: People tend to think male->female without checking Male part is lighter/smaller so seems to fit on the stage easier __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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11th September 2006, 07:59	#6 (permalink)
Stephane Hey! Ho! Let's go! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 723	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round You forgot this one Decoweenie: The male part (SS-QC4-D-400 for example) is cheaper than the female part (SS-QC4-B-400): 26 euros vs 33 euros (Swagelok website prices). __________________ Stéphane Hammer-rEvo powered!
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CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino Corp.) The male part (SS-QC4-D-400 for example) is cheaper than the female part (SS-QC4-B-400): 26 euros vs 33 euros (Swagelok website prices). So +/- €440 for 4 swagelock parts and hoses looks a little steep right? F
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CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Male part is lighter/smaller so seems to fit on the stage easier Thanks matey ....Having the more robust female part knocking around on my stage seems to make more sense......
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11th September 2006, 08:21	#9 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900) Thanks matey ....Having the more robust female part knocking around on my stage seems to make more sense...... Keep in mind that the connecting hose on the stage is kept in place via bungie just like the LP hose feeding the reg. Once the stage is clipped, there is very little banging if you keep the connecor in the good location. Plus the tip is kept from getting pushed in as well since it is parallel to the hose. On the PVR, the switch-block has the connectors are 90-deg angle on the hip. So if the male connector is there and unplugged, it will get more bumps and the tip will get pushed in. Just my personal experience... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM Last edited by decoweenie : 11th September 2006 at 08:44.
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11th September 2006, 08:41	#10 (permalink)
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