Swage Lock - Which way round

Stephane · 11th September 2006, 08:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

So +/- €440 for 4 swagelock parts and hoses looks a little steep right?

F

We can say that yes, but they too have to live ...

For the hoses you can go to push-on PB4 styles connections (SS-TA4), you can have different colors in hoses and can cut then at your desired length.

decoweenie · 11th September 2006, 08:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino Corp.)

We can say that yes, but they too have to live ...

Yeh, those poor guys only selling the Boris for ~$15,000 / unit...

CCR900 · 11th September 2006, 09:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by Phil)

Hi Fil,

Use to have QC4 on my Boris, now I have moved to QC6 with male stem on the gas connector and female on stage, this respect the flow as Swagelok recommendation.

Will add pictures tonight!

Cheers,

Please do! I would be very interested in part number too (to get them ordered)

Phi...My only experience with the male hose connector plugged to a stage was to half empty a mate's bottle (over exaguration) by pushing another bottle up against it (yes he had left his bottle open, but to be able to depress the nipple so easily seems a little problematic....

F

CCR900 · 11th September 2006, 09:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Yeh, those poor guys only selling the Boris for ~$15,000 / unit...

I've paid up for everything else but given that connectors are not from the R&D I don't feel so guitly shopping around......

F

decoweenie · 11th September 2006, 09:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

...but to be able to depress the nipple so easily seems a little problematic....

Sure, I understand.

I don't know why I even try to explain the thinking behind the way it was done since, to be honest, I never knew it was not the recommended flow direction from Swage-Lok until recently.

It was 8 years ago when I was taught that way (i.e. my first Rebreather), and a good DIR-wannabe doesn't question if it was "doing it right"...

SteveL · 11th September 2006, 11:46

just a quickie....

flow from female to male

I run a 15.5 and have put QC6 connectors on it - male on the unit - have also put some half turn valves in line - make sure you get the DSEO valves

they are manifolded at the back of the - I run dual offboard connectors as I dont want to be plugging and unplugging thins U/W - most dives I only have one dil. Only very deep dive I run 2

Soooooo to get off board gas INTO the unit I have to

turn whitey valve to offboard
turn on half turn valve
turn on cylinder

sounds like a lot but not relly considering you are "mainly" switching offboard gas on ascent for deco optimisation, and this "should" be faily slow and deliberate.

I can leave the cylinders on so if need OC bailout fast then it is available then still have to turn on 2 valves in order to get gas into the breather - I have heard a few nasty stories of switching blocks and personally feel that this is a bit more of a fail safe way to do things. But horses for courses.

See the pic - nice and easy to reach

Steve L

Phil · 12th September 2006, 11:21

Hi Fil,

I have created a web page on my site which describe the QC6 on Boris,with part numbers, the idea of using QC6 came after speaking with Jérome "Snoopyloop". I wanted to be able to a use a standard connection for offboard and OC. Jérome was kind enough to send me some pictures of his setup and mine is very similar. So reward goes to him!

Rebreather Phil - Boris QC6 OffboardInspiration

Cheers,

CCR900 · 12th September 2006, 12:23

Thanks Phil

Yer Jerome is the man but he is off getting wed and I'm bored! He mentioned the flow direction and was interested in why CCRB decided to ignore it. I don't won't to hassle Jerome too much so thought I would 'try' and track things down on my own.

Rgds

F

ccscuba · 12th September 2006, 15:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t)

Fil

Not sure if Nick Jewson is on this board but I think he has a set on his Cis

HTH
Dave

Nick does have a set on his CIS, they are very good.

CCR-DIVER · 12th September 2006, 21:24

Hi Guys,

Why you don´t ask Kevin first ?

cheers

11th September 2006, 08:46	#11 (permalink)
Stephane Hey! Ho! Let's go! Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nantes - France Posts: 725	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900) So +/- €440 for 4 swagelock parts and hoses looks a little steep right? F We can say that yes, but they too have to live ... For the hoses you can go to push-on PB4 styles connections (SS-TA4), you can have different colors in hoses and can cut then at your desired length. __________________ Stéphane Hammer-rEvo powered!
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decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Quote: (Originally Posted by Tino Corp.) We can say that yes, but they too have to live ... Yeh, those poor guys only selling the Boris for ~$15,000 / unit... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Quote: (Originally Posted by Phil) Hi Fil, Use to have QC4 on my Boris, now I have moved to QC6 with male stem on the gas connector and female on stage, this respect the flow as Swagelok recommendation. Will add pictures tonight! Cheers, Please do! I would be very interested in part number too (to get them ordered) Phi...My only experience with the male hose connector plugged to a stage was to half empty a mate's bottle (over exaguration) by pushing another bottle up against it (yes he had left his bottle open, but to be able to depress the nipple so easily seems a little problematic.... F
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CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Yeh, those poor guys only selling the Boris for ~$15,000 / unit... I've paid up for everything else but given that connectors are not from the R&D I don't feel so guitly shopping around...... F
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11th September 2006, 09:11	#15 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900) ...but to be able to depress the nipple so easily seems a little problematic.... Sure, I understand. I don't know why I even try to explain the thinking behind the way it was done since, to be honest, I never knew it was not the recommended flow direction from Swage-Lok until recently. It was 8 years ago when I was taught that way (i.e. my first Rebreather), and a good DIR-wannabe doesn't question if it was "doing it right"... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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Phil Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Ouroboros rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Geneva-Switzerland Posts: 170	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Hi Fil, I have created a web page on my site which describe the QC6 on Boris,with part numbers, the idea of using QC6 came after speaking with Jérome "Snoopyloop". I wanted to be able to a use a standard connection for offboard and OC. Jérome was kind enough to send me some pictures of his setup and mine is very similar. So reward goes to him! Rebreather Phil - Boris QC6 OffboardInspiration Cheers, __________________ Phil __________________ CCR/OC Instructor CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com
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CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Thanks Phil Yer Jerome is the man but he is off getting wed and I'm bored! He mentioned the flow direction and was interested in why CCRB decided to ignore it. I don't won't to hassle Jerome too much so thought I would 'try' and track things down on my own. Rgds F
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ccscuba New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: England Posts: 70	Re: Swage Lock - Which way round Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t) Fil Not sure if Nick Jewson is on this board but I think he has a set on his Cis HTH Dave Nick does have a set on his CIS, they are very good.
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