Honestly,how is it?

rogeringebo · 6th August 2006, 19:21

I realize that you are all sold on the unit because you caughed up the cash for it and training to go with it but I am curious how you guys find the Boris to dive..... I am aware of all the technical strongpoints,great scrubber and so on but there are a few things I wonder. I have never dived it myself and I am not criticizing it.I do have dived with people that dive it and here are my questions.I am not trying to make enemies here,I might even be interested in getting one for my self one day

-Dont you find the long hoses being a problem?
-Can they be shortened?
-Are you happy with the harness that comes with it?
-Can you take that off and use a standard backplate with webbing.
-Is it a bad thing that you cant mount bigger onboard tanks?
-Could it be possible to live far away from the servicecenter (tropical island on the other side of the world) if something starts to malfunction?
-Most Borisdivers I have seen have quite a "seahorse style" trim...(yes,Instructors too)..is that something one gets use to or can it be avoided?
- How is it to penetrate with...does it feel bigger (higher)than other competing brands?
-Is it more of a "expedition rebreather" than a "swimaround in wrecks" rebreather" Where trim can be sacrificed for more important advantages?
-Is the cover tough enough for bumpy speedboatrides and dodgy trollies on crapy piers or are you always worried it will crack?
- Have you had problem with any part of the electronics?
-Do you like the HUD?
How is it to load the scrubber,travel with and set up for a dive?

Many questions but it is very expensive and all user info is very valuable to me.

Cheers for your thoughts,views and time

Best regards
Rodge

iani · 6th August 2006, 20:54

Firstly, my first boris was stolen, I then bought another one, that should prove that I like the unit

-Dont you find the long hoses being a problem?
Nope
-Can they be shortened?
Don't know, don't see the need
-Are you happy with the harness that comes with it?
I replaced mine then went back to it, seems ok to me now
-Can you take that off and use a standard backplate with webbing.
Yes, only issue is making holes in wing centre to allow hoses to pass through
-Is it a bad thing that you cant mount bigger onboard tanks?
You need to carry o/b gas by design, you can plug that in and it can feed the ADV/Solenoid, not a problem
-Could it be possible to live far away from the servicecenter (tropical island on the other side of the world) if something starts to malfunction?
If you can afford the postage should be ok

-Most Borisdivers I have seen have quite a "seahorse style" trim...(yes,Instructors too)..is that something one gets use to or can it be avoided?
Pass, still working on reducing my weighting
- How is it to penetrate with...does it feel bigger (higher)than other competing brands?
TBH I have more often found myself wider rather than higher, I don't see any CCR and stages as a particularly small rig
-Is it more of a "expedition rebreather" than a "swimaround in wrecks" rebreather" Where trim can be sacrificed for more important advantages?
No opinion
-Is the cover tough enough for bumpy speedboatrides and dodgy trollies on crapy piers or are you always worried it will crack?
I only dive off hardboats so not a problem for me. My cover is scratched but not broken yet.
- Have you had problem with any part of the electronics?
Errr..yes..lost all settings once, been ok since
-Do you like the HUD?
Fantastic bit of kit, I had one of Uri's HUD's on my Inspo and loved it, the boris HUD is even more useful
How is it to load the scrubber,travel with and set up for a dive?
I find it very easy to set up, haven't travelled outside UK but certainly no problem within.

Ian

bubnotbub · 6th August 2006, 20:56

Hi Rodge,
I try to aswer to your question with my very bad english....

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

I realize that you are all sold on the unit because you caughed up the cash for it and training to go with it but I am curious how you guys find the Boris to dive..... I am aware of all the technical strongpoints,great scrubber and so on but there are a few things I wonder. I have never dived it myself and I am not criticizing it.I do have dived with people that dive it and here are my questions.I am not trying to make enemies here,I might even be interested in getting one for my self one day

-Dont you find the long hoses being a problem?
At the beginning, now it's ok

-Can they be shortened?
I don't be shure

-Are you happy with the harness that comes with it?
It's not the best components, but better then many other.

-Can you take that off and use a standard backplate with webbing.
NO
-Is it a bad thing that you cant mount bigger onboard tanks?
For me, it's no a problem
-Could it be possible to live far away from the servicecenter (tropical island on the other side of the world) if something starts to malfunction?
if you have an electronics problem, the situation is the same one that with other types of rebreather.

-Most Borisdivers I have seen have quite a "seahorse style" trim...(yes,Instructors too)..is that something one gets use to or can it be avoided?
In effects I have had need more time of the usual in order to find a good equilibrium, but now all it is perfect.

- How is it to penetrate with...does it feel bigger (higher)than other competing brands?
Shure in this case i prefer my MEG

-Is it more of a "expedition rebreather" than a "swimaround in wrecks" rebreather" Where trim can be sacrificed for more important advantages?
Perhaps, sure it is less simple than other units and demands more place for the preparation, but is not really tragic.

-Is the cover tough enough for bumpy speedboatrides and dodgy trollies on crapy piers or are you always worried it will crack?
This has been also my first impression. But it was not an exact impression. Who knows to me, knows that I make immersions every day, that step fastly from a boat to the other and that I do not have many time in order to arrange the equipment in the van, but in spite of everything this, to part some made scratch is in surface that underwater, the reabreather is perfectly in order.

- Have you had problem with any part of the electronics?
No, but now i cross my fingers
-Do you like the HUD?
It's wonderfull, the best one on the market

How is it to load the scrubber,travel with and set up for a dive?
From 15 to 25 minuts

The only really problems that i have it's a canister, difficulty of closing and opening, and sooner or later, time allowing I will have to decide to send it, for a check like manufacture ask me.

Sure it's a rebreather with many differences from the others and many abitu many habits must be changed, and all know how much are difficult to change a habit. The much easiest to say that something is made in mistaken way.

Many questions but it is very expensive and all user info is very valuable to me.

Cheers for your thoughts,views and time

Best regards
Rodge

I hope that this few words help you.

Best regards

Aldo

iani · 6th August 2006, 21:09

Aldo,

You can replace the standard backplate, you just need one with a deep enough channel so that the hoses run ok, the wing needs work admittedly but that isn't difficult.

Ian

bubnotbub · 6th August 2006, 21:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by iani)

Aldo,

You can replace the standard backplate, you just need one with a deep enough channel so that the hoses run ok, the wing needs work admittedly but that isn't difficult.

Ian

Hi Iani,
Excuse has been a my error of interpretation of the question,

sure, can be changed, enough to make the specific holes.
The day that beginning truly to study English is too much late.

best regards

Aldo

CCR-DIVER · 6th August 2006, 22:40

Hi Guys,

My opinion:

Fantastic scrubber, loop and electronics redundaci. ( i never had any problem yet).

Arness not the best, wing good for me, trim with 2 kg on top perfect to me.

Carbon case very resistent but easy to scratch ( no problem at all)

In expeditions unit need some practice and space to prepare, change bateries and fill scrubber. (nothing impossible)

for me two problems:

- samll particles of sofnolime could go inside exaust counterlung valve and could flood, after 2 or more hours diving (not tragic but irritant)

- the POD wet conectors always on in case of spray, rain and bad sea conditions.

they are changing it for pressure sensors (much better), but for now i put neoprene cover for transport and no more problems.

PS: good safe design and filosophy. it´s a unit for deep dives, and we need to carry bailout all the times, good principle.

cheers and good dives.

Drmike · 7th August 2006, 06:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo)

-Don't you find the long hoses being a problem? No not at all - why is this a perceived issue? Hoses are a great plus point on the unit. some add lead to them to keep them down.

-Can they be shortened? No

-Are you happy with the harness that comes with it? No Its crap - easy to thread in normal one piece harness to backplate

-Can you take that off and use a standard backplate with webbing.
Yes but why change the backplate? (unless you want to add even more weight to the already heavy unit by using a heavier one - but why make traveling more expensive) - I just changed the harness

-Is it a bad thing that you cant mount bigger onboard tanks? Yes and no. The unit was designed to be an EXPEDITION/EXPLORATION rebreather [factory]. For expedition dives (big, long, deep) you are going to be carrying offboards anyway so its only a real issue when people use the unit for short sports dives or where they cant get high pressure O2. imo if you buy a boris you need a mini booster too. The unit is already heavy (and ass heavy) adding bigger tanks than the 3L that can be used will only make that worse.

-Could it be possible to live far away from the servicecenter (tropical island on the other side of the world) if something starts to malfunction?

So far factory has been great. Service and speed of service has been as least as good (if not better) than APD (to Singapore)

-Most Borisdivers I have seen have quite a "seahorse style" trim...(yes,Instructors too)..is that something one gets use to or can it be avoided? Tell me about it! I noticed that before I took the course based obn pics Id seen.

Good trim is possible just like any unit (See course pic of me on one of 1st dives on the unit. http://drmike.smugmug.com/gallery/1416936/3/67202078 - it just takes a while [a change of wing, lots of lead (wetsuit) or use of a drysuit helps

)

- How is it to penetrate with...does it feel bigger (higher)than other competing brands?

Yes and no. The ability to lay flat on your chest means your effective height is less (takes a brave man to lay on his OTS CL and drag them through a wreck opening. But yes its a big unit. OTOH as Cedric learnt when challenging me to follow him through a tight hole in a wreck in the Philippines a few weeks ago, where he was scrapping the back of his meg to fit - I followed no problem but I took part of the wreck that broke off with me

-Is it more of a "expedition rebreather" than a "swimaround in wrecks" rebreather" Where trim can be sacrificed for more important advantages?

Of course, it is an expedition rebreather, for shallow tight wrecks Id get a sports kiss.
There is no reason good trim cant be obtained - it just takes some doing

-Is the cover tough enough for bumpy speedboatrides and dodgy trollies on crapy piers or are you always worried it will crack?

So far no problem but like the MK15 series covers don't expect it to last as long as the rest of the unit - its a consumable item. Mindset change needed.

- Have you had problem with any part of the electronics?

I flooded a hud (may have been 2Obar ambient pressure) There was a bug in 1st VPMB software that gave incorrect TTS (since fixed) Electronics are great.

-Do you like the HUD?

Yes its great - simple- green is good, vibrator is great too

How is it to load the scrubber,travel with and set up for a dive? Very easy to fill and setup. Pain to travel with as its heavy/bulky - cant go in one box.

Its an expedition rebreather designed for big dives and exploration dives (factory) so no point comparing to dives that can just as easily be done on a sports kiss or OC

For the traveling diver the weight, (man its heavy when its got all the trim lead on it) and its size and its shipping weight (Have to split it into 3 boxes now for many airlines) makes it only really sensible for big dives, or longer trips (not just weekend) - again IMO.

I find the MK15.5 to be lighter (in and out of the water), smaller, easier to trim (wetsuit diving) and easier to travel with. WOB of Boris is far superior though as is the electronics.

The original wing is useless, no ass lift and far too short. Fine for drysuit divers - but the whole world doesn't always dive dry

even when dry on long cave dives (non scooter) I find it too ass heavy. Kevin is making a new wing that should be available shortly that solves the problems some have with the original.

Long hoses? - a non-issue. The hoses are great I like them. I'm using cloth hose covers to stop them getting raggedy.

Really fantastic electronics

Forced pre dive setup is great (adds safety and you know you enter the water with a fully functioning and correct;y prepped unit every time.

Good scrubber - considerably outlasts similar sized scrubbers @sub 100m range

No condensation on cells even after 8 hours on scrubber

No hose gurgles even after 8 hours on scrubber

Easy to dive

Easy to maintain

Good support from factory

Wet contacts are a pain on land - but Ive made up a simple solution for that (plastic cap) Factory is changing that design.

Don't even bother diving it without the membrane. Forget talk of it being hydrophobic (it may be but the fit isn't so water leaks through) its there to stop sorb dust falling through mesh and getting into CL. It does that job perfectly.

Meg is a lot easier to travel with and trim (wetsuit) If you don't mind OTS CL then a Meg is likely a good alternative for all but the most extreme dives IMO especially with the new radial scrubber

decoweenie · 7th August 2006, 06:59

Quote:

No condensation on cells even after 8 hours on scrubber
No hose gurgles even after 8 hours on scrubber

Mike,

I understand the cell condensation could be solved with placement. What are the contributions to the no hose gurgles ?

I would love for APD to upgrade their HUD to something similar to the Boris HUD, but I won't hold my breath on that...

Drmike · 7th August 2006, 07:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

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I understand the cell condensation could be solved with placement. What are the contributions to the no hose gurgles ?

Hi Phi,

Not sure, been wondering that myself. Its most likely the fact that the inner bore is smooth not ribbed like normal Rebreather hoses. Goop sits in these ribs and gurgles back and forth over each other on normal hoses. On boris maybe the goop just drains away - not sure. Could it be that the hoses are better insulators being thicker and cloth covered?? I dont really know - but the difference (YBOD, mk15,5) is striking

kiwidiver · 7th August 2006, 07:12

does the unit have to go back to the factory every 200hours or is this a one time deal?Are you locked out if it is not reset at 200hour service.

6th August 2006, 19:21	#1 (permalink)
rogeringebo Done with bubbles Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stockholm Sweden Posts: 671	Honestly,how is it? I realize that you are all sold on the unit because you caughed up the cash for it and training to go with it but I am curious how you guys find the Boris to dive..... I am aware of all the technical strongpoints,great scrubber and so on but there are a few things I wonder. I have never dived it myself and I am not criticizing it.I do have dived with people that dive it and here are my questions.I am not trying to make enemies here,I might even be interested in getting one for my self one day -Dont you find the long hoses being a problem? -Can they be shortened? -Are you happy with the harness that comes with it? -Can you take that off and use a standard backplate with webbing. -Is it a bad thing that you cant mount bigger onboard tanks? -Could it be possible to live far away from the servicecenter (tropical island on the other side of the world) if something starts to malfunction? -Most Borisdivers I have seen have quite a "seahorse style" trim...(yes,Instructors too)..is that something one gets use to or can it be avoided? - How is it to penetrate with...does it feel bigger (higher)than other competing brands? -Is it more of a "expedition rebreather" than a "swimaround in wrecks" rebreather" Where trim can be sacrificed for more important advantages? -Is the cover tough enough for bumpy speedboatrides and dodgy trollies on crapy piers or are you always worried it will crack? - Have you had problem with any part of the electronics? -Do you like the HUD? How is it to load the scrubber,travel with and set up for a dive? Many questions but it is very expensive and all user info is very valuable to me. Cheers for your thoughts,views and time Best regards Rodge Last edited by rogeringebo : 6th August 2006 at 19:58. Reason: typo
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6th August 2006, 20:54	#2 (permalink)
iani Nefarious Activist Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, UK Posts: 334	Re: Honestly,how is it? Firstly, my first boris was stolen, I then bought another one, that should prove that I like the unit -Dont you find the long hoses being a problem? Nope -Can they be shortened? Don't know, don't see the need -Are you happy with the harness that comes with it? I replaced mine then went back to it, seems ok to me now -Can you take that off and use a standard backplate with webbing. Yes, only issue is making holes in wing centre to allow hoses to pass through -Is it a bad thing that you cant mount bigger onboard tanks? You need to carry o/b gas by design, you can plug that in and it can feed the ADV/Solenoid, not a problem -Could it be possible to live far away from the servicecenter (tropical island on the other side of the world) if something starts to malfunction? If you can afford the postage should be ok -Most Borisdivers I have seen have quite a "seahorse style" trim...(yes,Instructors too)..is that something one gets use to or can it be avoided? Pass, still working on reducing my weighting - How is it to penetrate with...does it feel bigger (higher)than other competing brands? TBH I have more often found myself wider rather than higher, I don't see any CCR and stages as a particularly small rig -Is it more of a "expedition rebreather" than a "swimaround in wrecks" rebreather" Where trim can be sacrificed for more important advantages? No opinion -Is the cover tough enough for bumpy speedboatrides and dodgy trollies on crapy piers or are you always worried it will crack? I only dive off hardboats so not a problem for me. My cover is scratched but not broken yet. - Have you had problem with any part of the electronics? Errr..yes..lost all settings once, been ok since -Do you like the HUD? Fantastic bit of kit, I had one of Uri's HUD's on my Inspo and loved it, the boris HUD is even more useful How is it to load the scrubber,travel with and set up for a dive? I find it very easy to set up, haven't travelled outside UK but certainly no problem within. Ian
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6th August 2006, 20:56	#3 (permalink)
bubnotbub Silent diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Ouroboros rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: France Italy Posts: 383	Re: Honestly,how is it? Hi Rodge, I try to aswer to your question with my very bad english.... Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) I realize that you are all sold on the unit because you caughed up the cash for it and training to go with it but I am curious how you guys find the Boris to dive..... I am aware of all the technical strongpoints,great scrubber and so on but there are a few things I wonder. I have never dived it myself and I am not criticizing it.I do have dived with people that dive it and here are my questions.I am not trying to make enemies here,I might even be interested in getting one for my self one day -Dont you find the long hoses being a problem? At the beginning, now it's ok -Can they be shortened? I don't be shure -Are you happy with the harness that comes with it? It's not the best components, but better then many other. -Can you take that off and use a standard backplate with webbing. NO -Is it a bad thing that you cant mount bigger onboard tanks? For me, it's no a problem -Could it be possible to live far away from the servicecenter (tropical island on the other side of the world) if something starts to malfunction? if you have an electronics problem, the situation is the same one that with other types of rebreather. -Most Borisdivers I have seen have quite a "seahorse style" trim...(yes,Instructors too)..is that something one gets use to or can it be avoided? In effects I have had need more time of the usual in order to find a good equilibrium, but now all it is perfect. - How is it to penetrate with...does it feel bigger (higher)than other competing brands? Shure in this case i prefer my MEG -Is it more of a "expedition rebreather" than a "swimaround in wrecks" rebreather" Where trim can be sacrificed for more important advantages? Perhaps, sure it is less simple than other units and demands more place for the preparation, but is not really tragic. -Is the cover tough enough for bumpy speedboatrides and dodgy trollies on crapy piers or are you always worried it will crack? This has been also my first impression. But it was not an exact impression. Who knows to me, knows that I make immersions every day, that step fastly from a boat to the other and that I do not have many time in order to arrange the equipment in the van, but in spite of everything this, to part some made scratch is in surface that underwater, the reabreather is perfectly in order. - Have you had problem with any part of the electronics? No, but now i cross my fingers -Do you like the HUD? It's wonderfull, the best one on the market How is it to load the scrubber,travel with and set up for a dive? From 15 to 25 minuts The only really problems that i have it's a canister, difficulty of closing and opening, and sooner or later, time allowing I will have to decide to send it, for a check like manufacture ask me. Sure it's a rebreather with many differences from the others and many abitu many habits must be changed, and all know how much are difficult to change a habit. The much easiest to say that something is made in mistaken way. Many questions but it is very expensive and all user info is very valuable to me. Cheers for your thoughts,views and time Best regards Rodge I hope that this few words help you. Best regards Aldo __________________ Aldo Ferrucci *Trimix and Rebreather IT* *Expedition Leader* *www.bubnotbub.com* I like bubbles only in my glass of Champagne
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6th August 2006, 21:09	#4 (permalink)
iani Nefarious Activist Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, UK Posts: 334	Re: Honestly,how is it? Aldo, You can replace the standard backplate, you just need one with a deep enough channel so that the hoses run ok, the wing needs work admittedly but that isn't difficult. Ian
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6th August 2006, 21:15	#5 (permalink)
bubnotbub Silent diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Ouroboros rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: France Italy Posts: 383	Re: Honestly,how is it? Quote: (Originally Posted by iani) Aldo, You can replace the standard backplate, you just need one with a deep enough channel so that the hoses run ok, the wing needs work admittedly but that isn't difficult. Ian Hi Iani, Excuse has been a my error of interpretation of the question, sure, can be changed, enough to make the specific holes. The day that beginning truly to study English is too much late. best regards Aldo __________________ Aldo Ferrucci *Trimix and Rebreather IT* *Expedition Leader* *www.bubnotbub.com* I like bubbles only in my glass of Champagne
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6th August 2006, 22:40	#6 (permalink)
CCR-DIVER New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 72	Re: Honestly,how is it? Hi Guys, My opinion: Fantastic scrubber, loop and electronics redundaci. ( i never had any problem yet). Arness not the best, wing good for me, trim with 2 kg on top perfect to me. Carbon case very resistent but easy to scratch ( no problem at all) In expeditions unit need some practice and space to prepare, change bateries and fill scrubber. (nothing impossible) for me two problems: - samll particles of sofnolime could go inside exaust counterlung valve and could flood, after 2 or more hours diving (not tragic but irritant) - the POD wet conectors always on in case of spray, rain and bad sea conditions. they are changing it for pressure sensors (much better), but for now i put neoprene cover for transport and no more problems. PS: good safe design and filosophy. it´s a unit for deep dives, and we need to carry bailout all the times, good principle. cheers and good dives. __________________ *José Marques* *www.in-silence.com*
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7th August 2006, 06:51	#7 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,104	Re: Honestly,how is it? Quote: (Originally Posted by rogeringebo) -Don't you find the long hoses being a problem? No not at all - why is this a perceived issue? Hoses are a great plus point on the unit. some add lead to them to keep them down. -Can they be shortened? No -Are you happy with the harness that comes with it? No Its crap - easy to thread in normal one piece harness to backplate -Can you take that off and use a standard backplate with webbing. Yes but why change the backplate? (unless you want to add even more weight to the already heavy unit by using a heavier one - but why make traveling more expensive) - I just changed the harness -Is it a bad thing that you cant mount bigger onboard tanks? Yes and no. The unit was designed to be an EXPEDITION/EXPLORATION rebreather [factory]. For expedition dives (big, long, deep) you are going to be carrying offboards anyway so its only a real issue when people use the unit for short sports dives or where they cant get high pressure O2. imo if you buy a boris you need a mini booster too. The unit is already heavy (and ass heavy) adding bigger tanks than the 3L that can be used will only make that worse. -Could it be possible to live far away from the servicecenter (tropical island on the other side of the world) if something starts to malfunction? So far factory has been great. Service and speed of service has been as least as good (if not better) than APD (to Singapore) -Most Borisdivers I have seen have quite a "seahorse style" trim...(yes,Instructors too)..is that something one gets use to or can it be avoided? Tell me about it! I noticed that before I took the course based obn pics Id seen. Good trim is possible just like any unit (See course pic of me on one of 1st dives on the unit. http://drmike.smugmug.com/gallery/1416936/3/67202078 - it just takes a while [a change of wing, lots of lead (wetsuit) or use of a drysuit helps ) - How is it to penetrate with...does it feel bigger (higher)than other competing brands? Yes and no. The ability to lay flat on your chest means your effective height is less (takes a brave man to lay on his OTS CL and drag them through a wreck opening. But yes its a big unit. OTOH as Cedric learnt when challenging me to follow him through a tight hole in a wreck in the Philippines a few weeks ago, where he was scrapping the back of his meg to fit - I followed no problem but I took part of the wreck that broke off with me -Is it more of a "expedition rebreather" than a "swimaround in wrecks" rebreather" Where trim can be sacrificed for more important advantages? Of course, it is an expedition rebreather, for shallow tight wrecks Id get a sports kiss. There is no reason good trim cant be obtained - it just takes some doing -Is the cover tough enough for bumpy speedboatrides and dodgy trollies on crapy piers or are you always worried it will crack? So far no problem but like the MK15 series covers don't expect it to last as long as the rest of the unit - its a consumable item. Mindset change needed. - Have you had problem with any part of the electronics? I flooded a hud (may have been 2Obar ambient pressure) There was a bug in 1st VPMB software that gave incorrect TTS (since fixed) Electronics are great. -Do you like the HUD? Yes its great - simple- green is good, vibrator is great too How is it to load the scrubber,travel with and set up for a dive? Very easy to fill and setup. Pain to travel with as its heavy/bulky - cant go in one box. Its an expedition rebreather designed for big dives and exploration dives (factory) so no point comparing to dives that can just as easily be done on a sports kiss or OC For the traveling diver the weight, (man its heavy when its got all the trim lead on it) and its size and its shipping weight (Have to split it into 3 boxes now for many airlines) makes it only really sensible for big dives, or longer trips (not just weekend) - again IMO. I find the MK15.5 to be lighter (in and out of the water), smaller, easier to trim (wetsuit diving) and easier to travel with. WOB of Boris is far superior though as is the electronics. The original wing is useless, no ass lift and far too short. Fine for drysuit divers - but the whole world doesn't always dive dry even when dry on long cave dives (non scooter) I find it too ass heavy. Kevin is making a new wing that should be available shortly that solves the problems some have with the original. Long hoses? - a non-issue. The hoses are great I like them. I'm using cloth hose covers to stop them getting raggedy. Really fantastic electronics Forced pre dive setup is great (adds safety and you know you enter the water with a fully functioning and correct;y prepped unit every time. Good scrubber - considerably outlasts similar sized scrubbers @sub 100m range No condensation on cells even after 8 hours on scrubber No hose gurgles even after 8 hours on scrubber Easy to dive Easy to maintain Good support from factory Wet contacts are a pain on land - but Ive made up a simple solution for that (plastic cap) Factory is changing that design. Don't even bother diving it without the membrane. Forget talk of it being hydrophobic (it may be but the fit isn't so water leaks through) its there to stop sorb dust falling through mesh and getting into CL. It does that job perfectly. Meg is a lot easier to travel with and trim (wetsuit) If you don't mind OTS CL then a Meg is likely a good alternative for all but the most extreme dives IMO especially with the new radial scrubber __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you Last edited by Drmike : 7th August 2006 at 06:54.
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7th August 2006, 06:59	#8 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Honestly,how is it? Quote: No condensation on cells even after 8 hours on scrubber No hose gurgles even after 8 hours on scrubber Mike, I understand the cell condensation could be solved with placement. What are the contributions to the no hose gurgles ? I would love for APD to upgrade their HUD to something similar to the Boris HUD, but I won't hold my breath on that... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM Last edited by decoweenie : 7th August 2006 at 07:01.
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7th August 2006, 07:04	#9 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,104	Re: Honestly,how is it? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) [color=blue] I understand the cell condensation could be solved with placement. What are the contributions to the no hose gurgles ? Hi Phi, Not sure, been wondering that myself. Its most likely the fact that the inner bore is smooth not ribbed like normal Rebreather hoses. Goop sits in these ribs and gurgles back and forth over each other on normal hoses. On boris maybe the goop just drains away - not sure. Could it be that the hoses are better insulators being thicker and cloth covered?? I dont really know - but the difference (YBOD, mk15,5) is striking __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you
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7th August 2006, 07:12	#10 (permalink)
kiwidiver Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new zealand Posts: 124	Re: Honestly,how is it? does the unit have to go back to the factory every 200hours or is this a one time deal?Are you locked out if it is not reset at 200hour service.
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