Boris loop hoses

Woz · 18th July 2006, 14:51

In that case I am talking utter kak and should go on everyone's ignore list.

iain-hsm · 18th July 2006, 15:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz)

Well the hose on a Boris is this stuff. It's identical. The connectors on a Boris appear not to be moulded but are a larger version of the connector you get on the end of an AP Valves corrugated hose on a standard jacket- a split collar with an external nut.

Woz.

This is too much, surly no self respecting designer would etc. etc.

Reminds me of a development engineering job I was involved with some 20 years ago for a diving bell reclaim secondary life support SLS system, needed a rubber smooth bore tight elbow as the Nomex reinforced breathing hose couldn’t make the tight bend. Solution, a Vauxhall Viva radiator hose. Difference is you’re supposed to wait 20 years before telling the whole world LOL!!!

Ivon · 18th July 2006, 15:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

According to the fact sheet the Acro hoses are spiral wound - but other than that, the colour, the covering material, the moulded non corrugated end pieces - yes they are identical

There spiral wound to give extra strength and the wire insert offers anti-static properties when working with powders and such to earth them.

Ivon

Woz · 18th July 2006, 15:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ivon)

There spiral wound to give extra strength and the wire insert offers anti-static properties when working with powders and such to earth them.

Ivon

You should see the hoses spark like buggery when you blow powder through them when they are not earthed. It's like one of those glass ball thingies that makes your hair stick up.

If you had any

iain-hsm · 19th July 2006, 09:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz)

You should see the hoses spark like buggery when you blow powder through them when they are not earthed. It's like one of those glass ball thingies that makes your hair stick up. If you had any

When your blowing that much powder, the WOB will increase considerably
you can always use the new £300 hydrophobic membrane to cut down the dust!!! As for the sparks, the glass thingies etc That is serious drug abuse, seek medical advice. LOL

Woz · 28th July 2006, 14:38

OK had a closer look at a Boris hose today. It's definitely a spiral wound smooth bore polyurethane tube with a nylon cover (the fabric bit). The end connectors seal as the spiral has ben picked out and ground back to leave just smooth hose. The nylon covers have rubber bits on the end that the hose clamp presses down on- the hose clamp is just a bigger version of the AP Valves connector found on the end of their corrugated hoses with the split collar.

Northern Monkey · 28th July 2006, 16:38

My hoses have the part no HC215 24-22 MFR 13560.

Each end has a cured rubber fitting, and they are only available in one length.

Kevin said they are from the States, used with Air Force fighter pilot's oxygen masks.

The claim is they are indestructible, although John Thornton has broken two so far, and the US supplier will not up hold the warranty claiming "diving is a too extreme use of the product".

Crazyduck · 28th July 2006, 21:32

Last time I looked into this was when it was used on the halcyon unit.
We came up with the following-
http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/17492000/lifesprt.htm
Company name- R.E. Darling out of Arizona.
That’s if I am even bloody close to being right?

Good luck, Andrew

iain-hsm · 29th July 2006, 13:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by Northern Monkey)

My hoses have the part no HC215 24-22 MFR 13560. Each end has a cured rubber fitting, and they are only available in one length. Kevin said they are from the States, used with Air Force fighter pilot's oxygen masks.
The claim is they are indestructible, although John Thornton has broken two so far, and the US supplier will not up hold the warranty claiming "diving is a too extreme use of the product".

Said to be use by USAF? I guess Kevin was mistaken then Lol

SteveL · 6th February 2007, 22:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz)

Just had a play with a Boris and well it is a very well engineered unit- nicely thought out etc. I did notice that the loop hoses appear to be bog standard industrial polyurethane hose with a green kevlar hose wrap shrunk on top. So- just in case any of you lot pop a loop hose, I thought you might be interested in this...

Product code 5388025 from Arco Website : The UK`s leading suppliers of safety equipment, clothing, footwear, gloves and maintenance supplies

Hi guys,

I had a seach for this code on the arco site but doesnt come up with anything. I went into the ducting section and found polyurethane spiral wrap ducts ??? is this what you were talking about - certainly nothing there that looks like a boris hose at face value.

Cooper in the USA is now quoting 2008 delivery of the 24 inch hoses- unbelieveable!!1

On a phone call last night they said that they have oders for the "government" to fill first......

What are the alturnatives??

Regards,

Steve

18th July 2006, 14:51	#11 (permalink)
Woz Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 185	Re: Boris loop hoses In that case I am talking utter kak and should go on everyone's ignore list. __________________ Still punting shiny diving tatt to gullible divers www.kitfondle.co.uk
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18th July 2006, 15:03	#12 (permalink)
iain-hsm Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Loughborough England uk Posts: 346	Re: Boris loop hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz) Well the hose on a Boris is this stuff. It's identical. The connectors on a Boris appear not to be moulded but are a larger version of the connector you get on the end of an AP Valves corrugated hose on a standard jacket- a split collar with an external nut. Woz. This is too much, surly no self respecting designer would etc. etc. Reminds me of a development engineering job I was involved with some 20 years ago for a diving bell reclaim secondary life support SLS system, needed a rubber smooth bore tight elbow as the Nomex reinforced breathing hose couldn’t make the tight bend. Solution, a Vauxhall Viva radiator hose. Difference is you’re supposed to wait 20 years before telling the whole world LOL!!!
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Ivon Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hull, East Yorkshire, England Posts: 311	Re: Boris loop hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) According to the fact sheet the Acro hoses are spiral wound - but other than that, the colour, the covering material, the moulded non corrugated end pieces - yes they are identical There spiral wound to give extra strength and the wire insert offers anti-static properties when working with powders and such to earth them. Ivon
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18th July 2006, 15:41	#14 (permalink)
Woz Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 185	Re: Boris loop hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by Ivon) There spiral wound to give extra strength and the wire insert offers anti-static properties when working with powders and such to earth them. Ivon You should see the hoses spark like buggery when you blow powder through them when they are not earthed. It's like one of those glass ball thingies that makes your hair stick up. If you had any __________________ Still punting shiny diving tatt to gullible divers www.kitfondle.co.uk
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19th July 2006, 09:43	#15 (permalink)
iain-hsm Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Loughborough England uk Posts: 346	Re: Boris loop hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz) You should see the hoses spark like buggery when you blow powder through them when they are not earthed. It's like one of those glass ball thingies that makes your hair stick up. If you had any When your blowing that much powder, the WOB will increase considerably you can always use the new £300 hydrophobic membrane to cut down the dust!!! As for the sparks, the glass thingies etc That is serious drug abuse, seek medical advice. LOL
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28th July 2006, 14:38	#16 (permalink)
Woz Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 185	Re: Boris loop hoses OK had a closer look at a Boris hose today. It's definitely a spiral wound smooth bore polyurethane tube with a nylon cover (the fabric bit). The end connectors seal as the spiral has ben picked out and ground back to leave just smooth hose. The nylon covers have rubber bits on the end that the hose clamp presses down on- the hose clamp is just a bigger version of the AP Valves connector found on the end of their corrugated hoses with the split collar. __________________ Still punting shiny diving tatt to gullible divers www.kitfondle.co.uk
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28th July 2006, 16:38	#17 (permalink)
Northern Monkey New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: England Posts: 25	Re: Boris loop hoses My hoses have the part no HC215 24-22 MFR 13560. Each end has a cured rubber fitting, and they are only available in one length. Kevin said they are from the States, used with Air Force fighter pilot's oxygen masks. The claim is they are indestructible, although John Thornton has broken two so far, and the US supplier will not up hold the warranty claiming "diving is a too extreme use of the product". __________________ Death is not an option! Last edited by Northern Monkey : 28th July 2006 at 16:55. Reason: grammar
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28th July 2006, 21:32	#18 (permalink)
Crazyduck Underwater Mechanic Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS, Dallas/ Ft.Worth Posts: 698	Re: Boris loop hoses Last time I looked into this was when it was used on the halcyon unit. We came up with the following- http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/17492000/lifesprt.htm Company name- R.E. Darling out of Arizona. That’s if I am even bloody close to being right? Good luck, Andrew __________________ Howdy Senor- What’s Happening! Rob Davie April 2005- Presently in a state of transition from Open Circuit to Closed Circuit. "You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by it." - Buddha.
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6th February 2007, 22:55	#20 (permalink)
SteveL Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 221	Re: Boris loop hoses Quote: (Originally Posted by Woz) Just had a play with a Boris and well it is a very well engineered unit- nicely thought out etc. I did notice that the loop hoses appear to be bog standard industrial polyurethane hose with a green kevlar hose wrap shrunk on top. So- just in case any of you lot pop a loop hose, I thought you might be interested in this... Product code 5388025 from Arco Website : The UK`s leading suppliers of safety equipment, clothing, footwear, gloves and maintenance supplies Hi guys, I had a seach for this code on the arco site but doesnt come up with anything. I went into the ducting section and found polyurethane spiral wrap ducts ??? is this what you were talking about - certainly nothing there that looks like a boris hose at face value. Cooper in the USA is now quoting 2008 delivery of the 24 inch hoses- unbelieveable!!1 On a phone call last night they said that they have oders for the "government" to fill first...... What are the alturnatives?? Regards, Steve
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