Ouroboros - An Entry Level Rebreather?

Nad · 4th January 2006, 20:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

I'll second that, he is an instructor but not a user.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Nice lotterie's prizes up there... I'm born in the wrong country

Nad

***caveseeker7*** · 4th January 2006, 21:30

Then again, IANTD lists him as a PRISM instructor and Kevin Gurr as a PRISM IT and they are neither.

narked at 90 · 4th January 2006, 22:11

I meet phil at the weekend for the first time, and he was teaching 3 new borris divers all were new to breathers and none had any tec exspiriance.
but they plan to do mix dives in the next few years.....i wish i had there sort of money!
john routley

Mark Chase · 4th January 2006, 22:51

Your choice of rebreather is like your choice of car in many ways. Personaly I would decide what i needed the unit to do in terms of performance. Then look at what you need the unit to do in terms of logistics.

My personal check list would be...

History of the unit in terms of type of diving carried out depth and reliability

How the above fits in with MY type of diving

Performance of the unit

Reliability of the unit

Accessibility of spairs and repairs

Cost

Transportation

Design

Using the above check list you can find out what you need and passably you will have to compromise.

I don't think its relevant what unit you take your first training course on whats relevant is the unit does what you need it to do.

ATB

Mark Chase

Nad · 5th January 2006, 02:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Your choice of rebreather is like your choice of car in many ways. Personaly I would decide what i needed the unit to do in terms of performance. Then look at what you need the unit to do in terms of logistics.

My personal check list would be...

History of the unit in terms of type of diving carried out depth and reliability

How the above fits in with MY type of diving

Performance of the unit

Reliability of the unit

Accessibility of spairs and repairs

Cost

Transportation

Design

Using the above check list you can find out what you need and passably you will have to compromise.

I don't think its relevant what unit you take your first training course on whats relevant is the unit does what you need it to do.

ATB

Mark Chase

I can't say better!

Nad

vulcan · 30th January 2006, 17:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ant Slegg)

Has anyone on this list done the Ouroboros training with Phil Short without having dived on a rebreather before? I.e. switched directly from OC to CCR via the Ouroboros.

Hi Ant,

I just found your post.

I did exactly what you ask. The course was a challenge but then I guess anyones first time course on a CCR is. I find every time I dive it a challenge, but then I have 18 years OC experience and only 2 months CCR experience. What came instinctively to me on OC is no longer there, or doesn't apply any more. I really do feel like it's a brand new start as a novice.

Most of the problems I've had were nothing to do with the unit but with my relative inexperience. The only thing I think that would have made the transition easier for me was that prior to my course I had never used a VR3. If you have one or can use one, I think you have part of the battle won. That's not to say it can't be done, I suppose I am testament to that, but it would have made things easier.

I would recommend the unit and Phil Short as an Instructor (though your choice is limited to him plus two others, one as I'm sure you know being the designer).

If you want to PM me for any more information please do, but if you do, be patient waiting for a reply as I don't check in as often as I used to. Most of what I had to say was covered in the report I did on YD, a link to which appears elsewhere in this thread.

Regards

4th January 2006, 20:54	#11 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 925	Re: Ouroboros - An Entry Level Rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) I'll second that, he is an instructor but not a user. Cheers, Dave Cooper. Nice lotterie's prizes up there... I'm born in the wrong country Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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4th January 2006, 21:30	#12 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,281	Then again, IANTD lists him as a PRISM instructor and Kevin Gurr as a PRISM IT and they are neither. __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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4th January 2006, 22:11	#13 (permalink)
narked at 90 In my own little world Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: middlands uk Posts: 992	Re: Ouroboros - An Entry Level Rebreather? I meet phil at the weekend for the first time, and he was teaching 3 new borris divers all were new to breathers and none had any tec exspiriance. but they plan to do mix dives in the next few years.....i wish i had there sort of money! john routley __________________ CHECK OUT OUR INTERWEBS FOR CUSTOM REBREATHER UPGRADES *WWW.NARKEDAT90.CO.UK* *WWW.GRPSERVICES.COM*
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4th January 2006, 22:51	#14 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,410	Re: Ouroboros - An Entry Level Rebreather? Your choice of rebreather is like your choice of car in many ways. Personaly I would decide what i needed the unit to do in terms of performance. Then look at what you need the unit to do in terms of logistics. My personal check list would be... History of the unit in terms of type of diving carried out depth and reliability How the above fits in with MY type of diving Performance of the unit Reliability of the unit Accessibility of spairs and repairs Cost Transportation Design Using the above check list you can find out what you need and passably you will have to compromise. I don't think its relevant what unit you take your first training course on whats relevant is the unit does what you need it to do. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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5th January 2006, 02:46	#15 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 925	Re: Ouroboros - An Entry Level Rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Your choice of rebreather is like your choice of car in many ways. Personaly I would decide what i needed the unit to do in terms of performance. Then look at what you need the unit to do in terms of logistics. My personal check list would be... History of the unit in terms of type of diving carried out depth and reliability How the above fits in with MY type of diving Performance of the unit Reliability of the unit Accessibility of spairs and repairs Cost Transportation Design Using the above check list you can find out what you need and passably you will have to compromise. I don't think its relevant what unit you take your first training course on whats relevant is the unit does what you need it to do. ATB Mark Chase I can't say better! Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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30th January 2006, 17:12	#16 (permalink)
vulcan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mansfield Nottinghamshire UK Posts: 26	Ouroboros - An entry level rebreather? Yes, I don't see why not. Quote: (Originally Posted by Ant Slegg) Has anyone on this list done the Ouroboros training with Phil Short without having dived on a rebreather before? I.e. switched directly from OC to CCR via the Ouroboros. Hi Ant, I just found your post. I did exactly what you ask. The course was a challenge but then I guess anyones first time course on a CCR is. I find every time I dive it a challenge, but then I have 18 years OC experience and only 2 months CCR experience. What came instinctively to me on OC is no longer there, or doesn't apply any more. I really do feel like it's a brand new start as a novice. Most of the problems I've had were nothing to do with the unit but with my relative inexperience. The only thing I think that would have made the transition easier for me was that prior to my course I had never used a VR3. If you have one or can use one, I think you have part of the battle won. That's not to say it can't be done, I suppose I am testament to that, but it would have made things easier. I would recommend the unit and Phil Short as an Instructor (though your choice is limited to him plus two others, one as I'm sure you know being the designer). If you want to PM me for any more information please do, but if you do, be patient waiting for a reply as I don't check in as often as I used to. Most of what I had to say was covered in the report I did on YD, a link to which appears elsewhere in this thread. Regards __________________ "Blessed are they who learn from their mistakes. For they shall make, if not necessarily fewer of them, different and more interesting ones." Martin
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