Ouroboros VS. Cis Lunar Mark 5P

cavediveroneday · 24th October 2007, 15:18

Which is the better rebreather?? Explain your answers please.

Nad · 24th October 2007, 17:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by cavediveroneday)

Which is the better rebreather?? Explain your answers please.

Ouroboros: the factory is still up and running!!!
Ouroboros: for the choice of the materials (CisLunar did use some different material for the same block and this cause problems).
Ouroboros: for the electronic of the last years

Cis Lunar was a great machine years ago and if the company didn't close, still now.

DrJM · 24th October 2007, 19:21

You want to cave dive scootering in one hand, pulling lines on the other hand
, flying the unit just with the HUD ? on a 1h or 10h dive ?

no doubt: Ouroboros

J

chunter · 24th October 2007, 21:22

Just have someone kick you in the nuts instead of buying either

Between the two, I'd personally go with the Boris...that is unless I were Rich Pyle and knew how to rebuild and reprogram a Cis from scratch. I've always wanted to change out my scrubber underwater

Alan · 25th October 2007, 13:20

Boros for all of the reasons above plus...

Another Ouroboros dive buddy (myself) in TN!?!

My current Boros dive buddy just became instructor & service tech.

Boros training available locally in March, 2008.

If you're serious about an Ouroboros, stop by for a tour of the unit.

cavediveroneday · 25th October 2007, 13:54

Who would win and why?? I am deciding between the two.

OceanOpportunity · 25th October 2007, 14:04

pretty simple IMO- given that the 5P is not in production, I'd go with the Boris since its serviceable and readily available. The 5P was a masterpiece in its day, but keep in mind that this was some 10 years ago, and its innovations have since found the way into a number of the current units, and at a fraction of the cost.

OceanOpportunity · 25th October 2007, 14:12

Boris given that its actually available (new) and serviceable.

Keep in mind that the Cis 5P was the hottest, 10 years ago. Many of its innovations have found the way into today's systems, and at a fraction of the cost.

cavediveroneday · 25th October 2007, 14:13

Jeurgenson Marine Services the units. There must stilll be something about them considering any major National Geographic expeditions have used CIS LUNAR CCR's. Also for maintence and service the M5P will only require shipping to PA, while any work done on the Boris willl result in shipment to England. Kevin Gurr also based the Ouroboros' design on the CIS LUNAR Mark 5p. There's my argument. Please respond.

OceanOpportunity · 25th October 2007, 14:18

ok, yes Kev J does service the units, but good luck trying to find replacement parts should anything major go down, and of course there is no warrantee.

the arguement about Natl geo holds no merit. as it happens, many of the folks who find there way onto Natl Geo, were among the first Cis, and consequently first mainstream CCR divers. Much of the footage you see was taken several years ago before the boom of the other units. I know several of them personally and they are now almost all using Megs. You'll see the Cousteau folks using Inspirations, BBC folk using Boris or Inspirations, Hollywood using Megs....times are changing

24th October 2007, 15:18	#1 (permalink)
cavediveroneday New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 32	Ouroboros VS. Cis Lunar Mark 5P Which is the better rebreather?? Explain your answers please.
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24th October 2007, 17:17	#2 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sunny South Switzerland and Italy Posts: 905	Re: Ouroboros VS. Cis Lunar Mark 5P Quote: (Originally Posted by cavediveroneday) Which is the better rebreather?? Explain your answers please. Ouroboros: the factory is still up and running!!! Ouroboros: for the choice of the materials (CisLunar did use some different material for the same block and this cause problems). Ouroboros: for the electronic of the last years Cis Lunar was a great machine years ago and if the company didn't close, still now. __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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24th October 2007, 19:21	#3 (permalink)
DrJM Deep Cave Explorer Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Join Date: May 2005 Location: France Posts: 327	Re: Ouroboros VS. Cis Lunar Mark 5P You want to cave dive scootering in one hand, pulling lines on the other hand , flying the unit just with the HUD ? on a 1h or 10h dive ? no doubt: Ouroboros J __________________ www.snoopyloop.com Deep Cave Diving Explorations
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24th October 2007, 21:22	#4 (permalink)
chunter I like diving Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Honolulu Posts: 423	Re: Ouroboros VS. Cis Lunar Mark 5P Just have someone kick you in the nuts instead of buying either Between the two, I'd personally go with the Boris...that is unless I were Rich Pyle and knew how to rebuild and reprogram a Cis from scratch. I've always wanted to change out my scrubber underwater __________________ "Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Emerson "Hobgoblin is a cool word." - Charlie
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25th October 2007, 13:20	#5 (permalink)
Alan New Member Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 15	Re: Ouroboros VS. Cis Lunar Mark 5P Boros for all of the reasons above plus... Another Ouroboros dive buddy (myself) in TN!?! My current Boros dive buddy just became instructor & service tech. Boros training available locally in March, 2008. If you're serious about an Ouroboros, stop by for a tour of the unit.
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25th October 2007, 13:54	#6 (permalink)
cavediveroneday New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 32	CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros Who would win and why?? I am deciding between the two.
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25th October 2007, 14:04	#7 (permalink)
OceanOpportunity for a world of water Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Providence, RI USA Posts: 448	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros pretty simple IMO- given that the 5P is not in production, I'd go with the Boris since its serviceable and readily available. The 5P was a masterpiece in its day, but keep in mind that this was some 10 years ago, and its innovations have since found the way into a number of the current units, and at a fraction of the cost. __________________ Michael Lombardi Oceans of Opportunity www.oceanopportunity.com Gear Reviewer, The Summit Journal exploration & scientific diving resources www.explorationtechnologiesgroup.com
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25th October 2007, 14:12	#8 (permalink)
OceanOpportunity for a world of water Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Providence, RI USA Posts: 448	Re: Ouroboros VS. Cis Lunar Mark 5P Boris given that its actually available (new) and serviceable. Keep in mind that the Cis 5P was the hottest, 10 years ago. Many of its innovations have found the way into today's systems, and at a fraction of the cost. __________________ Michael Lombardi Oceans of Opportunity www.oceanopportunity.com Gear Reviewer, The Summit Journal exploration & scientific diving resources www.explorationtechnologiesgroup.com
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25th October 2007, 14:13	#9 (permalink)
cavediveroneday New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 32	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros Jeurgenson Marine Services the units. There must stilll be something about them considering any major National Geographic expeditions have used CIS LUNAR CCR's. Also for maintence and service the M5P will only require shipping to PA, while any work done on the Boris willl result in shipment to England. Kevin Gurr also based the Ouroboros' design on the CIS LUNAR Mark 5p. There's my argument. Please respond.
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25th October 2007, 14:18	#10 (permalink)
OceanOpportunity for a world of water Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Providence, RI USA Posts: 448	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros ok, yes Kev J does service the units, but good luck trying to find replacement parts should anything major go down, and of course there is no warrantee. the arguement about Natl geo holds no merit. as it happens, many of the folks who find there way onto Natl Geo, were among the first Cis, and consequently first mainstream CCR divers. Much of the footage you see was taken several years ago before the boom of the other units. I know several of them personally and they are now almost all using Megs. You'll see the Cousteau folks using Inspirations, BBC folk using Boris or Inspirations, Hollywood using Megs....times are changing __________________ Michael Lombardi Oceans of Opportunity www.oceanopportunity.com Gear Reviewer, The Summit Journal exploration & scientific diving resources www.explorationtechnologiesgroup.com
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