Ouroboros VS. Cis Lunar Mark 5P

jeff h

You seem sincere so here is an outsider's perspective. If you were a really loaded 18 yr old (I mean insane loads of cash) then I would say buy the Cis Lunar even if it's just to hang it on the wall. It would be very kewl. But if you were actaully going to dive it then I'm guessiing you may end up putting an additional $20k in maintanence during your school years and the unit would spend half of that time either on the bench or being air freighted back and forth for repairs (just a guess).

The Ouroboris is a really nice unit and without much limitations as Dr. Mike has stated. It is pricey and you'll still want to buy training, sorb, gas, equipment and pay for trips after you buy the unit so you may want to consider those things as well. The other draw back to a unit like that is they are on the "big" side. Personally I occasionally like to sqeeze into small places (even if I shouldn't be there in the first place) and the boris wouldn't be good for that purpose.

So imho a new or used inspiration, classic kiss, optima, revo, meg etc would probably better suit your needs and you could still afford training, sorb, gas, diving, school etc.

Used inspo's go for as low as $4200 and if you take care of it you could probably sell it for $4200 when you're a rich marine biologist. Classic Kiss's are the same way and probably have less maintenance. If you have some extra $$ you could jazz it up with a Shearwater or Hammerhead, etc.

-Jeff

teksimple

There is no doubt that the Cis is a capable rebreather. Its got a lot of parts=more maintenance, and has some corrosion issues that require vigilance. And Boris has a lot of parts, too. Have you considered the HammerMeg?

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teksimple

Surely you jest! Do you know of any rich marine biologists who are not also celebrities?

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bourskov

All you guys, saying, that one should buy a cheaper "beginner" Rebreather... WHY?!

I started with a cheap, used Inspiration Classic, and I got less than 20 hours on it, before I got my Boris... Why?! Because I had a wrong feeling of the YBOD. It just didn't feel right... Why on earth would I liek to dive a unit, I already knew I wouldn't like to do a trimix course on, then that it the goal!?

I agree on, that you just don't buy one Rebreather for the rest of your diving career, but I do believe, that one should buy the unit one likes the most... And a Boris is not that difficult to learn to dive... As far as the CIS concerns, I have no idea at all... Simply don't know anything about it... Well.. I do... It's yellow, right?!

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Bo Urskov

Nad

Yes just a bit more expensive.
I would like to have the bad feeling with a cheaper unit...

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streamway_explorer

If you are going to be transfering to Australia. You should do some more homework on what the divers are using over here and why,question is there anyone in Townsville who has a ccr you can dive with ?.

It's not cheap sending or receiving anything from UK or USA from this Country. There no one who can train you on those units in Australia should want to advance your level of training on them ie Trimix.

Please dont think I'm suggesting you should get what I have. I'm just using it as an example of why I have a Mk15.5 for many reasons,including It has the support I need for parts/service from Colkan and is only a few hours drive away from me. Sure my tanks are hard to replace but everything else I can get.

If I couldnt get a mk15.5 I would get a Inspo as much as I hate to say it, but because of its support in Aus and its all round abilly to dive most things in Aus.My mates are diving this weekend to 125m on a wreck on Inspo's.

I can also go diving with divers who also have 15.5 . I can draw on their knowledge exchange idea's. I can jump on dive boats in Sydney where there is no OC divers and one day that will be the case everywhere. Townsville is a different story Divers will want to know what it is, but you can alway travel south in term break.

The Inspo,Kiss,rEvo,Meg also has excellent support in this country. As for a CIS or Ouroboros nice units but I dont think anyone has one over here. Or you could wait for the Eagle CCR to be released from Colkan in Australia.

So if there is a problem with the units you want you could be out of the water for months with the long wait for the post man to bring parts and you will need to be mechanically minded. You could alway buy a Meg and put a CIS scrubber in it as far as I know. Meg are base in WA for Australia if the others you dont like.

Only you can decide what you want to buy.

But I think from what I have readed of this thread most people have said "Get something else" you will not need one of those unit. especially in Townsville.

Most of us on Rebreather World have been 5 and 30 years tech diving under our belts. Me its 20 years with 16 of them deep diving since I did my openwater course at 17 year old.

Yes in those days the guys on tv had mk15's. I have only just brought my first unit,have used other peoples units in the past 7 years even done a course on them.

you said "Im just trying to have fun like you guys. I look up to you all"

Then Listen to what they are all saying even if you dont want to hear it. Yes get a CCR but learn to craw before you can walk is what my instructor told me. there is units for crawing and there is units for walking.

Welcome to rebreather world.

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heyydude

I think there's a misunderstanding here - in our conversation (which was about the 15.5 at that moment), I mentioned that Kevin Gurr had stacked up some huge time and dives on a 15.5 before creating the Boris, and that the Boris is reminiscent of the 15.5 in it's base design (no doubt, because Kevin liked the 15.5 somewhat).

The Cis Lunar is not like the Boris, at least as far as I can see with my limited knowledge of the latter.

But I will also point out that we continue to service the Mark 5P, and Rich Pyle (and others) continue to do some amazing things with this "old" system.

Kevin Juergensen
Juergensen Marine, Inc.

caveseeker7

[quote=Rasmus;145905] Rasmus, those numbers sound about right for total production,
Dave's number for the units in private hands.
The rest were military rigs I believe.

The part where you dive it it?

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caveseeker7

Bo, some of them were black.

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Rasmus

At Nortech Diving Danmark.

One of my cusotmer has his for sale. Very good condition, with 50 hours on the counter.

By the way I have sold 2 Cis this year.

Cheers

Rasmus

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Diver training on KISS, Cis-Lunar MK5, Mk15, DR Optima, rEvo, Hammerhead CCR, GDS AH1 P-SCR
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