Ouroboros VS. Cis Lunar Mark 5P

ForTheFight · 25th October 2007, 23:35

What I want to know is where are you going to find a Cis?

steveharriss · 25th October 2007, 23:48

Unfortunately that doesn't quite tie in with your request for a KM M-48 for a Meg in the parts wanted section does it?

So either your choice isn't so cut and dried, or you're a troll.

cavediveroneday · 25th October 2007, 23:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by ForTheFight)

What I want to know is where are you going to find a Cis?

Thats for me to know, and you to never find out.

cavediveroneday · 25th October 2007, 23:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by steveharriss)

Unfortunately that doesn't quite tie in with your request for a KM M-48 for a Meg in the parts wanted section does it?

So either your choice isn't so cut and dried, or you're a troll.

Enough of the troll thing!

I not just starting a contraversy! Take it easy on me man. Remember Im a so called "newbie"

Drmike · 26th October 2007, 01:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by cavediveroneday)

Jeurgenson Marine Services the units. There must stilll be something about them considering any major National Geographic expeditions have used CIS LUNAR CCR's.

back then there wasnt much other choice in available rebreathers.

Quote:

Kevin Gurr also based the Ouroboros' design on the CIS LUNAR Mark 5p. There's my argument. Please respond.

what part of boris is based on CIS Lunar design?

Andy Del · 26th October 2007, 01:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by cavediveroneday)

Well I got more money in scholarships to go UT than it costs to go and live there so im getting paid to go to college!

(That 1000 essay I wrote on overfishing and coral reef ecology really paid off) I figured that hell, since i'm getting paid to go to school why not go out and celebrate by getting myself a CCR??

It all becomes clear.

Your an undergrad, at school, and want to spend a whole lot of time diving a rebreather, because...

A CCR and the time it can takes to maintain isn 't going to keep your GPA up.

My suggestion is to stay at school, use the funds to finish school, rather than spend your weekends with a CCR, and then have a look at what's around then. For sure the technology will have changed. Invest the $$$ and you'll have more funds to play with. In the meantime, go diving and build up experience and skill. Learn about rebreathers somewhere other than TV. Learn enough to get scared by what can happen if you treat it like many 18 year olds treat driving a car.

Lastly, while being the pot calling the kettle black, I would pose your questions so others on the forums want to respond, rather than demanding a response. It just comes across as so troll-like.

cavediveroneday · 26th October 2007, 01:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

back then there wasnt much other choice in available rebreathers.

what part of boris is based on CIS Lunar design?

I wasn't aware of this either until Kevin of Juergensen Marine informed me the day before yesterday.

Drmike · 26th October 2007, 01:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by cavediveroneday)

Whats the Boris rated breathing Trimix?? 100m What is the CIS LUNAR rated to breathing trimix 500ft. Also watch DVD's The Coral Reef. All rebreathers used are Marks and Rich using the CIS-LUNAR. Watch Pacific Abyss. Recently filmed, three on the CIS LUNAR and one on a Mark. Watch Ice Island by Wes Skiles. All used CIs Lunar Mark 5P's I dont think a Meg. or Inspo. could handle those conditions. An Inspo. is a MCdonalds happy meal toy when compared to a Cis Lunar Mark 5p. Give me a break.

a few points and questions;

'Being rated' means nothing unless you know to what standards that rating is determined. Boris components are depth rated to 300m (1000ft) and its been swam (not scootered) hard at near 200m (660ft) so I would say its rated (using the 'I did it and it didnt kill me' test standard

)

Has CIS lunar btw been deeper than Boris or Meg? (191m and 201m respectively)?

How much would a new CIS Lunar (or M1K16) cost today V how much is a Meg/Inspo? different leagues

The machines are in different leagues when it comes to cost to manufacture to today's sports units.

Boris, CIS Lunar, MK16 are how much? These aren't 'sports' units, they are expensive niche market units not optimised (meg/inspo) to sports diving depths (30-50m)

Can some of the sports units be used to similar levels?...yes, but not as safely. eg (and please someone correct me if Im wrong) despite similar scrubber size Inspiration scrubber at 100m I believe lasts 1/4 as long as Boris at 100m depth (15mins based on CE test standards) In other words Boris scrubber (or MK16) is better suited to deeper dives and THATS because (unlike Inspo and Meg) its not designed/optimised primarily for sports diving depths

Final point, If the guy sending his video to Nat Geo happens to be a CIS lunar diver (or a Meg diver) then its likely thats the unit that will 'star' in the video.....I suspect its apearance doesn't mean much more than that.

cavediveroneday · 26th October 2007, 01:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy Del)

It all becomes clear.

Your an undergrad, at school, and want to spend a whole lot of time diving a rebreather, because...

A CCR and the time it can takes to maintain isn 't going to keep your GPA up.

My suggestion is to stay at school, use the funds to finish school, rather than spend your weekends with a CCR, and then have a look at what's around then. For sure the technology will have changed. Invest the $$$ and you'll have more funds to play with. In the meantime, go diving and build up experience and skill. Learn about rebreathers somewhere other than TV. Learn enough to get scared by what can happen if you treat it like many 18 year olds treat driving a car.

Lastly, while being the pot calling the kettle black, I would pose your questions so others on the forums want to respond, rather than demanding a response. It just comes across as so troll-like.

I can't sit back and watch you guys have all of the fun. I am trying to get started with CCR diving before I transfer to James Cook University in Townsville, Queensland to major in marine biology! I will not let diving interfere with my schoolwork in anyway. Im just trying to have fun like you guys. I look up to you all.

Drmike · 26th October 2007, 02:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by cavediveroneday)

The Meg. has a fairly safe record, and The CIS has 4 known incidents, possibly five, so for 10 years of diving that ia a pretty awesome track record. Please respond.

um, actually your analysis is a bit off. Theres a good thread currently on accident rates - worth looking at.

Based on no. units CIS and Meg both look more dangerous

Plus how many divers are really being done nowadays on CIS lunars? a minute % compared to other units.

I wouldnt be surprised if there are less than 5 active CIS Lunar divers worldwide, everyoine I know who has one doesnt use it and uses other (cheaper to maintain) units

25th October 2007, 23:35	#41 (permalink)
ForTheFight What's a custom title? Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Optima Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Optima Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 163	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros What I want to know is where are you going to find a Cis? __________________ This post may be up to 80% accurate...
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25th October 2007, 23:48	#42 (permalink)
steveharriss Bubble free by choice Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 151	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros Unfortunately that doesn't quite tie in with your request for a KM M-48 for a Meg in the parts wanted section does it? So either your choice isn't so cut and dried, or you're a troll.
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25th October 2007, 23:50	#43 (permalink)
cavediveroneday New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 32	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros Quote: (Originally Posted by ForTheFight) What I want to know is where are you going to find a Cis? Thats for me to know, and you to never find out.
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25th October 2007, 23:54	#44 (permalink)
cavediveroneday New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 32	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros Quote: (Originally Posted by steveharriss) Unfortunately that doesn't quite tie in with your request for a KM M-48 for a Meg in the parts wanted section does it? So either your choice isn't so cut and dried, or you're a troll. Enough of the troll thing! I not just starting a contraversy! Take it easy on me man. Remember Im a so called "newbie" Last edited by cavediveroneday : 26th October 2007 at 00:35.
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26th October 2007, 01:39	#45 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,888	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros Quote: (Originally Posted by cavediveroneday) Jeurgenson Marine Services the units. There must stilll be something about them considering any major National Geographic expeditions have used CIS LUNAR CCR's. back then there wasnt much other choice in available rebreathers. Quote: Kevin Gurr also based the Ouroboros' design on the CIS LUNAR Mark 5p. There's my argument. Please respond. what part of boris is based on CIS Lunar design?
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26th October 2007, 01:41	#46 (permalink)
Andy Del Classic KISSer Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia, Sunny Sydney Posts: 342	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros Quote: (Originally Posted by cavediveroneday) Well I got more money in scholarships to go UT than it costs to go and live there so im getting paid to go to college! (That 1000 essay I wrote on overfishing and coral reef ecology really paid off) I figured that hell, since i'm getting paid to go to school why not go out and celebrate by getting myself a CCR?? It all becomes clear. Your an undergrad, at school, and want to spend a whole lot of time diving a rebreather, because... A CCR and the time it can takes to maintain isn 't going to keep your GPA up. My suggestion is to stay at school, use the funds to finish school, rather than spend your weekends with a CCR, and then have a look at what's around then. For sure the technology will have changed. Invest the $$$ and you'll have more funds to play with. In the meantime, go diving and build up experience and skill. Learn about rebreathers somewhere other than TV. Learn enough to get scared by what can happen if you treat it like many 18 year olds treat driving a car. Lastly, while being the pot calling the kettle black, I would pose your questions so others on the forums want to respond, rather than demanding a response. It just comes across as so troll-like. __________________ Yellow - the colour of greatness!
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26th October 2007, 01:54	#47 (permalink)
cavediveroneday New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 32	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) back then there wasnt much other choice in available rebreathers. what part of boris is based on CIS Lunar design? I wasn't aware of this either until Kevin of Juergensen Marine informed me the day before yesterday.
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26th October 2007, 01:56	#48 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,888	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros Quote: (Originally Posted by cavediveroneday) Whats the Boris rated breathing Trimix?? 100m What is the CIS LUNAR rated to breathing trimix 500ft. Also watch DVD's The Coral Reef. All rebreathers used are Marks and Rich using the CIS-LUNAR. Watch Pacific Abyss. Recently filmed, three on the CIS LUNAR and one on a Mark. Watch Ice Island by Wes Skiles. All used CIs Lunar Mark 5P's I dont think a Meg. or Inspo. could handle those conditions. An Inspo. is a MCdonalds happy meal toy when compared to a Cis Lunar Mark 5p. Give me a break. a few points and questions; 'Being rated' means nothing unless you know to what standards that rating is determined. Boris components are depth rated to 300m (1000ft) and its been swam (not scootered) hard at near 200m (660ft) so I would say its rated (using the 'I did it and it didnt kill me' test standard ) Has CIS lunar btw been deeper than Boris or Meg? (191m and 201m respectively)? How much would a new CIS Lunar (or M1K16) cost today V how much is a Meg/Inspo? different leagues The machines are in different leagues when it comes to cost to manufacture to today's sports units. Boris, CIS Lunar, MK16 are how much? These aren't 'sports' units, they are expensive niche market units not optimised (meg/inspo) to sports diving depths (30-50m) Can some of the sports units be used to similar levels?...yes, but not as safely. eg (and please someone correct me if Im wrong) despite similar scrubber size Inspiration scrubber at 100m I believe lasts 1/4 as long as Boris at 100m depth (15mins based on CE test standards) In other words Boris scrubber (or MK16) is better suited to deeper dives and THATS because (unlike Inspo and Meg) its not designed/optimised primarily for sports diving depths Final point, If the guy sending his video to Nat Geo happens to be a CIS lunar diver (or a Meg diver) then its likely thats the unit that will 'star' in the video.....I suspect its apearance doesn't mean much more than that. Last edited by Drmike : 26th October 2007 at 02:04.
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26th October 2007, 01:58	#49 (permalink)
cavediveroneday New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 32	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy Del) It all becomes clear. Your an undergrad, at school, and want to spend a whole lot of time diving a rebreather, because... A CCR and the time it can takes to maintain isn 't going to keep your GPA up. My suggestion is to stay at school, use the funds to finish school, rather than spend your weekends with a CCR, and then have a look at what's around then. For sure the technology will have changed. Invest the $$$ and you'll have more funds to play with. In the meantime, go diving and build up experience and skill. Learn about rebreathers somewhere other than TV. Learn enough to get scared by what can happen if you treat it like many 18 year olds treat driving a car. Lastly, while being the pot calling the kettle black, I would pose your questions so others on the forums want to respond, rather than demanding a response. It just comes across as so troll-like. I can't sit back and watch you guys have all of the fun. I am trying to get started with CCR diving before I transfer to James Cook University in Townsville, Queensland to major in marine biology! I will not let diving interfere with my schoolwork in anyway. Im just trying to have fun like you guys. I look up to you all. Last edited by cavediveroneday : 26th October 2007 at 02:14.
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26th October 2007, 02:08	#50 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,888	Re: CIS LUNAR Mark 5P VS. Ouroboros Quote: (Originally Posted by cavediveroneday) The Meg. has a fairly safe record, and The CIS has 4 known incidents, possibly five, so for 10 years of diving that ia a pretty awesome track record. Please respond. um, actually your analysis is a bit off. Theres a good thread currently on accident rates - worth looking at. Based on no. units CIS and Meg both look more dangerous Plus how many divers are really being done nowadays on CIS lunars? a minute % compared to other units. I wouldnt be surprised if there are less than 5 active CIS Lunar divers worldwide, everyoine I know who has one doesnt use it and uses other (cheaper to maintain) units Last edited by Drmike : 26th October 2007 at 02:11.
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