New For VR3

decoweenie · 16th January 2007, 13:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by webhead)

Liquivision F1 and Fluid Goggles Home - X1 was added in the last week or 2.

On the website, the X1 page simply uses the graphic from the F1 with the letter "F" changed and more planned specs added.

Eric was hard to get a hold off, but I eventually got some replies:

The X1 is tentatively planned to be released around April in small quantities.
Company hopefully will expand around DEMA, and take on dealers.
X1 release price will be around US$1,300.
Software will be around US$100.

That's all I got from Eric.

webhead · 16th January 2007, 13:54

I have not heard that the housing or display will be different for the X1. And I heard that the bottom timer software will also be sold/available with the X1 so the screen shots are even correct.

Would be interesting to see what the software developers are planning.... maybe get some sample screenshots from them.

**fireman** · 16th January 2007, 14:44

Ah capitalism...this looks promising--has anyone used it, and are there any details about the software options and the interface?

decoweenie · 16th January 2007, 15:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by webhead)

...And I heard that the bottom timer software will also be sold/available with the X1 so the screen shots are even correct.

Would be interesting to see what the software developers are planning.... maybe get some sample screenshots from them.

Eric confirmed that the F1 is being phased out in favor for the X1. He only got 2 x F1's left in inventory.

Supposedly, Ross and Kees are working on the software.

webhead · 16th January 2007, 16:38

Interesting how this became a discussion on the LiquiVision product.

And no mention of the future OMS computer.

So Phi, have you heard any updates on the "improved" F1? Back in Dec, Eric mentioned that the F1 would be upgraded to use the same processor as the X1 but would not have the compass, would not ship with the interface and dev kit, and was suppose to be a few hundred cheaper.

With at least 2 people writing software, I'm curious if any electronics type folks are working on interfaces? With a programmable dive computer, you can do just about anything and would think someone would be building an interface to allow you to connect an O2 cell. Or I can hope.

decoweenie · 16th January 2007, 17:55

No, I don't know any more than what I wrote. Eric is kinda difficult to hold off thus far for me...

Personally, it looks to me that all of the interests could be overwhelming for a small company such as Liquivision. And Eric is probably constantly revising his plan. Just an observation...

Connecting O2 cell might be dificult for a computer that is complete sealed. Even the battery is sealed and can't be replaced AFAIK.

webhead · 16th January 2007, 18:41

From what I've discussed with Eric and this may have changed, the X1 is suppose to have some interface I'll call the dive computer bus. Don't have any specs other than it will be an interface to connect to external components. Seems to be a common factor looking at the VR3 and Shearwater w/ their "fischer" connectors.

One person was talking about a possible eCCR head that would interface with the X1 - the head would be a battery pack, O2 cells and solenoid and an interface to the X1. The X1 would read cells and fire solenoid using the external battery (pwr relay). Very interesting.....

I also heard that about the battery... sealed inside, non-replaceable but expected to last 40 years. I would be impressed if it lasts 10 years.

Harvey Sisco · 16th January 2007, 20:27

I was told the upgrade was about $1500.00, including o2 sensor and other components. Your computer has to be sent back to the factory for reprograming also.

essexbloke · 16th January 2007, 21:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by TW1)

Hi
If the cost of this link is about £750 it will still be cheeper to upgrade a Classic rather than buying set of vision electronics.
What it does do is to give classic owners more options.
Owners of VR3's will need to check that the VR3's they own are compatible with this interface as some of the earlier VR3's will need firmware or hardware upgrades.
I am sure when Delta P are ready they will release all the prices.
TW

I have one of these on my classic I'm test diving it for mikes of upminster its not bad bit of kit, yes going too be pricey around the £800 mark and the cost of upgrading the vr3,the vr3 screen shows the pp02 from the 4thcell and gas pressures, which in turn works out your deco and loading from actual gas absorbtion somewhat a good thing, real time deco!

Ivon · 17th January 2007, 09:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by essexbloke)

I have one of these on my classic I'm test diving it for mikes of upminster its not bad bit of kit, yes going too be pricey around the £800 mark and the cost of upgrading the vr3,the vr3 screen shows the pp02 from the 4thcell and gas pressures, witch in turn works out your deco and loading from actual gas absorbtion somewhat a good thing, real time deco!

That's a shame, not sure I would trust my deco on one cell, what happens if it goes down? Is there a back up system you can use from estimated PPO2 from the other 3 cells or is it possible to intergrate all 3 cells?

16th January 2007, 13:19	#11 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: New For VR3 Quote: (Originally Posted by webhead) Liquivision F1 and Fluid Goggles Home - X1 was added in the last week or 2. On the website, the X1 page simply uses the graphic from the F1 with the letter "F" changed and more planned specs added. Eric was hard to get a hold off, but I eventually got some replies: The X1 is tentatively planned to be released around April in small quantities. Company hopefully will expand around DEMA, and take on dealers. X1 release price will be around US$1,300. Software will be around US$100. That's all I got from Eric. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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16th January 2007, 13:54	#12 (permalink)
webhead Earning the green stuff.. Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: East central Florida Posts: 284	Re: New For VR3 I have not heard that the housing or display will be different for the X1. And I heard that the bottom timer software will also be sold/available with the X1 so the screen shots are even correct. Would be interesting to see what the software developers are planning.... maybe get some sample screenshots from them. __________________ "These are not the droids you are looking for.... move along" - Obi-Wan Kenobi
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16th January 2007, 14:44	#13 (permalink)
fireman rEvo combat swimmer Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 526	Re: New For VR3 Ah capitalism...this looks promising--has anyone used it, and are there any details about the software options and the interface?
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16th January 2007, 15:02	#14 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: New For VR3 Quote: (Originally Posted by webhead) ...And I heard that the bottom timer software will also be sold/available with the X1 so the screen shots are even correct. Would be interesting to see what the software developers are planning.... maybe get some sample screenshots from them. Eric confirmed that the F1 is being phased out in favor for the X1. He only got 2 x F1's left in inventory. Supposedly, Ross and Kees are working on the software. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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16th January 2007, 16:38	#15 (permalink)
webhead Earning the green stuff.. Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: East central Florida Posts: 284	Re: New For VR3 Interesting how this became a discussion on the LiquiVision product. And no mention of the future OMS computer. So Phi, have you heard any updates on the "improved" F1? Back in Dec, Eric mentioned that the F1 would be upgraded to use the same processor as the X1 but would not have the compass, would not ship with the interface and dev kit, and was suppose to be a few hundred cheaper. With at least 2 people writing software, I'm curious if any electronics type folks are working on interfaces? With a programmable dive computer, you can do just about anything and would think someone would be building an interface to allow you to connect an O2 cell. Or I can hope. __________________ "These are not the droids you are looking for.... move along" - Obi-Wan Kenobi
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16th January 2007, 17:55	#16 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: New For VR3 No, I don't know any more than what I wrote. Eric is kinda difficult to hold off thus far for me... Personally, it looks to me that all of the interests could be overwhelming for a small company such as Liquivision. And Eric is probably constantly revising his plan. Just an observation... Connecting O2 cell might be dificult for a computer that is complete sealed. Even the battery is sealed and can't be replaced AFAIK. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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16th January 2007, 18:41	#17 (permalink)
webhead Earning the green stuff.. Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: East central Florida Posts: 284	Re: New For VR3 From what I've discussed with Eric and this may have changed, the X1 is suppose to have some interface I'll call the dive computer bus. Don't have any specs other than it will be an interface to connect to external components. Seems to be a common factor looking at the VR3 and Shearwater w/ their "fischer" connectors. One person was talking about a possible eCCR head that would interface with the X1 - the head would be a battery pack, O2 cells and solenoid and an interface to the X1. The X1 would read cells and fire solenoid using the external battery (pwr relay). Very interesting..... I also heard that about the battery... sealed inside, non-replaceable but expected to last 40 years. I would be impressed if it lasts 10 years. __________________ "These are not the droids you are looking for.... move along" - Obi-Wan Kenobi
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16th January 2007, 20:27	#18 (permalink)
Harvey Sisco New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Farmersville TX. Posts: 20	Re: New For VR3 I was told the upgrade was about $1500.00, including o2 sensor and other components. Your computer has to be sent back to the factory for reprograming also.
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16th January 2007, 21:46	#19 (permalink)
essexbloke New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: brentwood Posts: 53	Re: New For VR3 Quote: (Originally Posted by TW1) Hi If the cost of this link is about £750 it will still be cheeper to upgrade a Classic rather than buying set of vision electronics. What it does do is to give classic owners more options. Owners of VR3's will need to check that the VR3's they own are compatible with this interface as some of the earlier VR3's will need firmware or hardware upgrades. I am sure when Delta P are ready they will release all the prices. TW I have one of these on my classic I'm test diving it for mikes of upminster its not bad bit of kit, yes going too be pricey around the £800 mark and the cost of upgrading the vr3,the vr3 screen shows the pp02 from the 4thcell and gas pressures, which in turn works out your deco and loading from actual gas absorbtion somewhat a good thing, real time deco! Last edited by essexbloke : 17th January 2007 at 17:40.
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Ivon Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Hull, East Yorkshire, England Posts: 318	Re: New For VR3 Quote: (Originally Posted by essexbloke) I have one of these on my classic I'm test diving it for mikes of upminster its not bad bit of kit, yes going too be pricey around the £800 mark and the cost of upgrading the vr3,the vr3 screen shows the pp02 from the 4thcell and gas pressures, witch in turn works out your deco and loading from actual gas absorbtion somewhat a good thing, real time deco! That's a shame, not sure I would trust my deco on one cell, what happens if it goes down? Is there a back up system you can use from estimated PPO2 from the other 3 cells or is it possible to intergrate all 3 cells?
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