Funky HH problem

Tecdiverfl · 12th June 2006, 19:23

They are on there way back to DR. According to what I have been told there was some problems with some of the new cases that are causing the problem.

Thanks

Marty

PCDiver · 12th June 2006, 21:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by Tecdiverfl)

They are on there way back to DR. According to what I have been told there was some problems with some of the new cases that are causing the problem.

Thanks

Marty

Marty, can you elaborate a bit on this issue?

PCDiver · 12th June 2006, 21:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

You situation definately sounds like some type of partial blockage.. Why not try a dive without the bezel and see what happens (keep handset out of direct sunlight when not in use).. My original AL units came without the bezels (they weren't ready yet)

If it works opening up the bezel hole a bit would probably then work.., it doesnt take much pressure to register a meter or so...

I'll give it a try. Good idea.

sensor330 · 13th June 2006, 00:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver)

I'm having the same problems. After surfacing the depth sensor still gives a depth indication. And yes, I did fill up the hole with silicone. I only have the problem when I dive in salty or murky water. It is not the depth sensor, since I replaced it with a new one Kevin sent. I'm suspecting a small misallignment of the hole in the metal bezel and the hole underneath in the plastic hole. This could create a smaller overlapping area, where salt or other particles get too easily trapped. I'm going to make the hole in the SS bezel bigger. This should fix it, if this caused the problem.

I tried to contact Kevin via e-mail and phone several times to get their input on this issue but apparently he is too busy again

.

Let me know how you make out. I have the exact same problem.

diverrob · 13th June 2006, 03:28

Scott what are you going to dive with when your HH is back in the shop again???

Don't forget the disks for tomorrow

Rob

sensor330 · 13th June 2006, 04:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverrob)

Scott what are you going to dive with when your HH is back in the shop again???

Don't forget the disks for tomorrow

Rob

I hope I don't have to send it back again. I think I see a new Rebreather in my future.

PCDiver · 13th June 2006, 11:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330)

Let me know how you make out. I have the exact same problem.

i went ahead and made the hole slightly bigger. My next saltwater dive is this weekend in the Northsea. I'll keep you informed on the results. I did find some salt/particles stuck inside the hole. Very strange since I soacked that handset for over an hour in fresh water immediately after the dive.

I covered the hole with a whitish silicone to prevent UV to reach the sensor.

What do you guys think of starting a FAQ on the HH? A lot of people seem to suffer from the same problems. Having the problems out in the open will help other users and improve the product long term.

Peter

sensor330 · 14th June 2006, 00:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver)

i went ahead and made the hole slightly bigger. My next saltwater dive is this weekend in the Northsea. I'll keep you informed on the results. I did find some salt/particles stuck inside the hole. Very strange since I soacked that handset for over an hour in fresh water immediately after the dive.

I covered the hole with a whitish silicone to prevent UV to reach the sensor.

What do you guys think of starting a FAQ on the HH? A lot of people seem to suffer from the same problems. Having the problems out in the open will help other users and improve the product long term.

Peter

I think that would be a great idea! A lot of problems that can up usally have a very simple solution.

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 14th June 2006, 02:22

I also like the idea. It doesn't just have to be about problems. It can also include other tips and suggestions as well. For example: "Just how does one go about applying the conductive grease to insure proper battery contact?" Other questions and tips like this would be great to discuss.

***jradomski*** · 14th June 2006, 03:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330)

I think that would be a great idea! A lot of problems that can up usally have a very simple solution.

I spoke to Kevin Today,

SO far EVERY unit they has shown some depth at the surface has had either foreign matter or salt crystals partially blocking the sensor.. Most have been OK after just removing the bezels, and cleaning..

Units should be immediately rinsed with fresh water before crystals can form.. Once formed they do not dissolve that easily.. especially since there is VERY little watter exchange (without removing bezels)..

As to mis alignment, that probably isnt an issue just that the holes are so small and if particles get in there they cant get out easily... (Kevin says he may have the holes at the pressure tranducr enlarged, I think its easier to just do it on the bezel, so it can be cleaned easier)

As to the deep depth readings, Its an indication that there is some moisture that has made it past the pressure transducer and shorted the sensor.. This has to be sent back to JM.. The indication that removing the sensor harness didn't change the value, is exactly what happens.. For the last 2 or 3 months he now conformally coats the pressure transducer..

12th June 2006, 19:23	#11 (permalink)
Tecdiverfl New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delray Beach, FL Posts: 69	Re: Funky HH problem They are on there way back to DR. According to what I have been told there was some problems with some of the new cases that are causing the problem. Thanks Marty
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12th June 2006, 21:46	#12 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 926	Re: Funky HH problem Quote: (Originally Posted by Tecdiverfl) They are on there way back to DR. According to what I have been told there was some problems with some of the new cases that are causing the problem. Thanks Marty Marty, can you elaborate a bit on this issue?
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12th June 2006, 21:47	#13 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 926	Re: Funky HH problem Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) You situation definately sounds like some type of partial blockage.. Why not try a dive without the bezel and see what happens (keep handset out of direct sunlight when not in use).. My original AL units came without the bezels (they weren't ready yet) If it works opening up the bezel hole a bit would probably then work.., it doesnt take much pressure to register a meter or so... I'll give it a try. Good idea.
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13th June 2006, 00:17	#14 (permalink)
sensor330 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 556	Re: Funky HH problem Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver) I'm having the same problems. After surfacing the depth sensor still gives a depth indication. And yes, I did fill up the hole with silicone. I only have the problem when I dive in salty or murky water. It is not the depth sensor, since I replaced it with a new one Kevin sent. I'm suspecting a small misallignment of the hole in the metal bezel and the hole underneath in the plastic hole. This could create a smaller overlapping area, where salt or other particles get too easily trapped. I'm going to make the hole in the SS bezel bigger. This should fix it, if this caused the problem. I tried to contact Kevin via e-mail and phone several times to get their input on this issue but apparently he is too busy again . Let me know how you make out. I have the exact same problem. Last edited by sensor330 : 13th June 2006 at 04:05.
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13th June 2006, 03:28	#15 (permalink)
diverrob The Evolution of Diving Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Victoria BC Canada Posts: 326	Re: Funky HH problem Scott what are you going to dive with when your HH is back in the shop again??? Don't forget the disks for tomorrow Rob
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13th June 2006, 04:03	#16 (permalink)
sensor330 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 556	Re: Funky HH problem Quote: (Originally Posted by diverrob) Scott what are you going to dive with when your HH is back in the shop again??? Don't forget the disks for tomorrow Rob I hope I don't have to send it back again. I think I see a new Rebreather in my future.
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13th June 2006, 11:16	#17 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 926	Re: Funky HH problem Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330) Let me know how you make out. I have the exact same problem. i went ahead and made the hole slightly bigger. My next saltwater dive is this weekend in the Northsea. I'll keep you informed on the results. I did find some salt/particles stuck inside the hole. Very strange since I soacked that handset for over an hour in fresh water immediately after the dive. I covered the hole with a whitish silicone to prevent UV to reach the sensor. What do you guys think of starting a FAQ on the HH? A lot of people seem to suffer from the same problems. Having the problems out in the open will help other users and improve the product long term. Peter
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14th June 2006, 00:08	#18 (permalink)
sensor330 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 556	Re: Funky HH problem Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver) i went ahead and made the hole slightly bigger. My next saltwater dive is this weekend in the Northsea. I'll keep you informed on the results. I did find some salt/particles stuck inside the hole. Very strange since I soacked that handset for over an hour in fresh water immediately after the dive. I covered the hole with a whitish silicone to prevent UV to reach the sensor. What do you guys think of starting a FAQ on the HH? A lot of people seem to suffer from the same problems. Having the problems out in the open will help other users and improve the product long term. Peter I think that would be a great idea! A lot of problems that can up usally have a very simple solution.
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14th June 2006, 02:22	#19 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,028	Re: Funky HH problem I also like the idea. It doesn't just have to be about problems. It can also include other tips and suggestions as well. For example: "Just how does one go about applying the conductive grease to insure proper battery contact?" Other questions and tips like this would be great to discuss. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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14th June 2006, 03:30	#20 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,849	Re: Funky HH problem Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330) I think that would be a great idea! A lot of problems that can up usally have a very simple solution. I spoke to Kevin Today, SO far EVERY unit they has shown some depth at the surface has had either foreign matter or salt crystals partially blocking the sensor.. Most have been OK after just removing the bezels, and cleaning.. Units should be immediately rinsed with fresh water before crystals can form.. Once formed they do not dissolve that easily.. especially since there is VERY little watter exchange (without removing bezels).. As to mis alignment, that probably isnt an issue just that the holes are so small and if particles get in there they cant get out easily... (Kevin says he may have the holes at the pressure tranducr enlarged, I think its easier to just do it on the bezel, so it can be cleaned easier) As to the deep depth readings, Its an indication that there is some moisture that has made it past the pressure transducer and shorted the sensor.. This has to be sent back to JM.. The indication that removing the sensor harness didn't change the value, is exactly what happens.. For the last 2 or 3 months he now conformally coats the pressure transducer.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 14th June 2006 at 03:33.
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