Opinions on bail-out

**JPJones** · 8th February 2006, 03:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami)

When will the Source be available to us little people?

Are you picking on us big guys again?

They are availible now and they work quit well.

Toren · 8th February 2006, 04:42

I picked up an OMS 20cf steel skinny many moons ago and I'm so used to having it as bailout I'm sure it will follow me onto my Topaz. With my "rescue kit" strapped to it, it's my bestest buddy. Now if only I can find a deep submersible 406 MHz (with integral GPS) EPIRB to take along....

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 8th February 2006, 04:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

Are you picking on us big guys again?

They are availible now and they work quit[e] well.

I already informed DRE that I will be picking mine up sometime this week. I still intend to always, even at shallow depths, carry a bailout bottle. However, with a cutoff installed, I like having more options.

I like the idea of being able to take a breath, if needed, from the Rite Source while deploying my bailout bottle regulator. This also preserves the option to pass a bottle off without having a BOV connected or a regulator on a necklace. Yet, this keeps an open circuit breath or two within inches of my mouth at all times.

I just can't see how having more options can be bad given the small potential risk involved. Yes, there will be a few more potential failure points at connections. However, there are plenty of connections going from the first stage already. I think the additional risk is small and the potential benefit, should you need it in a pinch, outweighs it.

**JPJones** · 8th February 2006, 12:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami)

I already informed DRE that I will be picking mine up sometime this week. I still intend to always, even at shallow depths, carry a bailout bottle. However, with a cutoff installed, I like having more options.

I like the idea of being able to take a breath, if needed, from the Rite Source while deploying my bailout bottle regulator. This also preserves the option to pass a bottle off without having a BOV connected or a regulator on a necklace. Yet, this keeps an open circuit breath or two within inches of my mouth at all times.

I just can't see how having more options can be bad given the small potential risk involved. Yes, there will be a few more potential failure points at connections. However, there are plenty of connections going from the first stage already. I think the additional risk is small and the potential benefit, should you need it in a pinch, outweighs it.

Make sure you tighten both sides of the disconnect with a wrench or it will work loose.

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 8th February 2006, 14:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

Make sure you tighten both sides of the disconnect with a wrench or it will work loose.

Thanks. Will do.

Jordan · 28th April 2006, 02:34

I'm usin' the Rite Source without shut-off. off board bailout has sometimes been 2X AL80 and O2 bottle. It seems a bit much but is doable. When I also bring the scooter I really feel like a big bulbous spaceship, hovering through the earth's cracks

Jason Blackwell · 28th April 2006, 09:32

Jordan, what size off board O2 are you carrying?

mstroeck · 28th April 2006, 10:05

Just to add my 2 cents as a not-yet-rebreather diver: Personally, I can't really rationalize not carrying a redundant 200bar/30cf "bail-out" bottle on anything deeper than 20 meters anymore, unless I'm diving doubles. Slung to the left like a stage it isn't even really noticeable.

PCDiver · 28th April 2006, 10:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by mstroeck)

Just to add my 2 cents as a not-yet-rebreather diver: Personally, I can't really rationalize not carrying a redundant 200bar/30cf "bail-out" bottle on anything deeper than 20 meters anymore, unless I'm diving doubles. Slung to the left like a stage it isn't even really noticeable.

"not really noticeable" depends on the rebreather. Handling stages on a rebreather with OTS counter lungs is not as easy as on OC. Especially if you are carying other stuff like a video camera (e.g. Phenom) or a still camera with big strobes.

Jordan · 28th April 2006, 13:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by Jason Blackwell)

Jordan, what size off board O2 are you carrying?

a 30 or 40 or 52 -- whatever is full. I only carry the O2 for about 75 feet before I stash it somewhere so it really doesn't matter what size it is.

8th February 2006, 03:25	#41 (permalink)
JPJones O2ptima Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 367	Re: Opinions on bail-out Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami) When will the Source be available to us little people? Are you picking on us big guys again? They are availible now and they work quit well. __________________ NSS/CDS Training Chairman www.jpjscuba.com
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8th February 2006, 04:42	#42 (permalink)
Toren In Rebreather holding pattern... Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SF, CA Posts: 114	Re: Opinions on bail-out I picked up an OMS 20cf steel skinny many moons ago and I'm so used to having it as bailout I'm sure it will follow me onto my Topaz. With my "rescue kit" strapped to it, it's my bestest buddy. Now if only I can find a deep submersible 406 MHz (with integral GPS) EPIRB to take along....
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8th February 2006, 04:45	#43 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,130	Re: Opinions on bail-out Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) Are you picking on us big guys again? They are availible now and they work quit[e] well. I already informed DRE that I will be picking mine up sometime this week. I still intend to always, even at shallow depths, carry a bailout bottle. However, with a cutoff installed, I like having more options. I like the idea of being able to take a breath, if needed, from the Rite Source while deploying my bailout bottle regulator. This also preserves the option to pass a bottle off without having a BOV connected or a regulator on a necklace. Yet, this keeps an open circuit breath or two within inches of my mouth at all times. I just can't see how having more options can be bad given the small potential risk involved. Yes, there will be a few more potential failure points at connections. However, there are plenty of connections going from the first stage already. I think the additional risk is small and the potential benefit, should you need it in a pinch, outweighs it. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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8th February 2006, 12:56	#44 (permalink)
JPJones O2ptima Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 367	Re: Opinions on bail-out Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami) I already informed DRE that I will be picking mine up sometime this week. I still intend to always, even at shallow depths, carry a bailout bottle. However, with a cutoff installed, I like having more options. I like the idea of being able to take a breath, if needed, from the Rite Source while deploying my bailout bottle regulator. This also preserves the option to pass a bottle off without having a BOV connected or a regulator on a necklace. Yet, this keeps an open circuit breath or two within inches of my mouth at all times. I just can't see how having more options can be bad given the small potential risk involved. Yes, there will be a few more potential failure points at connections. However, there are plenty of connections going from the first stage already. I think the additional risk is small and the potential benefit, should you need it in a pinch, outweighs it. Make sure you tighten both sides of the disconnect with a wrench or it will work loose. __________________ NSS/CDS Training Chairman www.jpjscuba.com
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8th February 2006, 14:37	#45 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,130	Re: Opinions on bail-out Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) Make sure you tighten both sides of the disconnect with a wrench or it will work loose. Thanks. Will do. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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28th April 2006, 02:34	#46 (permalink)
Jordan EBT called me stroppy! Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Garner, NC Posts: 226	Re: Opinions on bail-out I'm usin' the Rite Source without shut-off. off board bailout has sometimes been 2X AL80 and O2 bottle. It seems a bit much but is doable. When I also bring the scooter I really feel like a big bulbous spaceship, hovering through the earth's cracks __________________ Is it clear? No. Well, let's go anyways. "Those who would sacrifice a little freedom for a little order, will lose both, and deserve neither." Thomas Jefferson
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28th April 2006, 09:32	#47 (permalink)
Jason Blackwell Bloody Rebreathers! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima Dolphin Ray Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA Posts: 361	Re: Opinions on bail-out Jordan, what size off board O2 are you carrying? __________________ Jason Blackwell TDI Instructor Trainer #1358 Optima...Inspiration/Evolution...KISS...and what is next??? www.divedivedive.com.au OZTeK '09 March 2009 Sydney, Australia www.diveoztek.com.au
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28th April 2006, 10:05	#48 (permalink)
mstroeck New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 32	Re: Opinions on bail-out Just to add my 2 cents as a not-yet-rebreather diver: Personally, I can't really rationalize not carrying a redundant 200bar/30cf "bail-out" bottle on anything deeper than 20 meters anymore, unless I'm diving doubles. Slung to the left like a stage it isn't even really noticeable.
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28th April 2006, 10:13	#49 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 968	Re: Opinions on bail-out Quote: (Originally Posted by mstroeck) Just to add my 2 cents as a not-yet-rebreather diver: Personally, I can't really rationalize not carrying a redundant 200bar/30cf "bail-out" bottle on anything deeper than 20 meters anymore, unless I'm diving doubles. Slung to the left like a stage it isn't even really noticeable. "not really noticeable" depends on the rebreather. Handling stages on a rebreather with OTS counter lungs is not as easy as on OC. Especially if you are carying other stuff like a video camera (e.g. Phenom) or a still camera with big strobes.
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28th April 2006, 13:18	#50 (permalink)
Jordan EBT called me stroppy! Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Garner, NC Posts: 226	Re: Opinions on bail-out Quote: (Originally Posted by Jason Blackwell) Jordan, what size off board O2 are you carrying? a 30 or 40 or 52 -- whatever is full. I only carry the O2 for about 75 feet before I stash it somewhere so it really doesn't matter what size it is. __________________ Is it clear? No. Well, let's go anyways. "Those who would sacrifice a little freedom for a little order, will lose both, and deserve neither." Thomas Jefferson
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