Optima/ Micropore Questions

Crazyduck · 4th January 2006, 04:28

Does damaging the Micropore product effect the ability of the product?
- This is relation to crushed or bent corners.
- Impact to the body sections and any impacts, marks or wear?
- Bascially what happens in the field.

What is the effective difference between the model that is made for the Dolphin and the Diverite Optima? I have not seen anything on the website from Micropore. Different size, length, media choice…

On the Diverite manual they show a tube that runs through the core of the Micropore cartridge. Is this the oxygen injection point for the scrubber- I was not too sure with the way the loop was running right to left or left to right?

I understand the flow patterns of the gas through kitty litter, what changes for this media material- maybe a link or industry explanation would be cool. I am concerned with the flow rate through the media and keeping up with the diver.

There is references to Farallon USA and the designer of the breathing loop. What breathing loops has Farallon USA developed in the past for Military rebreathers?

Specific Ref- http://www.farallonusa.com/whatsnew.html

Direct Quote-
“Prior to research and development of Optima, we took a good look at what is in the market, thus Optima will be an upgrade choice to what is in the market today” said Rudi Asseer, President of FarallonUSA. Gone are the days of custom tools to assemble your rebreather.
Farallon has used its military experience to deliver a state of the art rebreather. The Optima has been designed to use standard tools for assembly, standard hose fittings throughout the unit, and even standard 11” center holes for the harness and bladder allowing the user to easily customize his unit.

These are honest questions and not intended to be an attack on the unit I am looking for realistic answers.

Thanks, Andrew

***caveseeker7*** · 4th January 2006, 08:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by Crazyduck)

On the Diverite manual they show a tube that runs through the core of the Micropore cartridge. Is this the oxygen injection point for the scrubber - I was not too sure with the way the loop was running right to left or left to right?

Did you NOT read my DEMA report?!

The solenoid is in the "head" end of the scrubber (diver's left), the metal pipe routes the gas to the entry side of the scrubber so it injected into the loop before the cartridge.

Quote:

... thus Optima will be an upgrade choice to what is in the market today

I predict falling prices for used CCRs, Megs and Borises will flood the second hand market.

Quote:

Farallon has used its military experience to deliver a state of the art rebreather.

The guy in shipping used to be in the army?

**JPJones** · 4th January 2006, 14:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by Crazyduck)

Does damaging the Micropore product effect the ability of the product?
- This is relation to crushed or bent corners.
- Impact to the body sections and any impacts, marks or wear?
- Bascially what happens in the field.

What is the effective difference between the model that is made for the Dolphin and the Diverite Optima? I have not seen anything on the website from Micropore. Different size, length, media choice…

On the Diverite manual they show a tube that runs through the core of the Micropore cartridge. Is this the oxygen injection point for the scrubber- I was not too sure with the way the loop was running right to left or left to right?

I understand the flow patterns of the gas through kitty litter, what changes for this media material- maybe a link or industry explanation would be cool. I am concerned with the flow rate through the media and keeping up with the diver.

There is references to Farallon USA and the designer of the breathing loop. What breathing loops has Farallon USA developed in the past for Military rebreathers?

Specific Ref- http://www.farallonusa.com/whatsnew.html

Direct Quote-
“Prior to research and development of Optima, we took a good look at what is in the market, thus Optima will be an upgrade choice to what is in the market today” said Rudi Asseer, President of FarallonUSA. Gone are the days of custom tools to assemble your rebreather.
Farallon has used its military experience to deliver a state of the art rebreather. The Optima has been designed to use standard tools for assembly, standard hose fittings throughout the unit, and even standard 11” center holes for the harness and bladder allowing the user to easily customize his unit.

These are honest questions and not intended to be an attack on the unit I am looking for realistic answers.

Thanks, Andrew

Andrew there is nothing new in the design it is all existing and proved technology. I answer for you once before why the scubber was located where it is. I t does two things shorted the breathing loop and make it more water resistant.

They ask a lot of industry leaders for input into what they wanted in a rebreather and tried to follow their recommendations. We had ten units in the field and tested them for over a year and made numerous changes over that time from what we learned from doing real dives. I quit counting my dives on it at 300 and it has held up real well. Most of my dives have been in caves and I have had it close to 300 ft depth on more than one occasion. Joe Dituri has a lot of time on his unit and he has just completed his PHD with the Navy and could very well be a future head of Navy Diving. Tom Mount has had a lot of input into the project and I consider him and Joe two of the more knowledgable people on the subject.

What Rudi was talking about is it is set up to take anyone's wings or harness because they used the standard 11 inch bolt spacing.

I hope I answered most of your questions and my offer still stands get with me sometime when your in the area and I will take your through the unit.

Crazyduck · 4th January 2006, 20:25

John,
Thank you for answering my post, I appricate it.

Regards, Andrew

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

Andrew there is nothing new in the design it is all existing and proved technology. I answer for you once before why the scubber was located where it is. I t does two things shorted the breathing loop and make it more water resistant.

They ask a lot of industry leaders for input into what they wanted in a rebreather and tried to follow their recommendations. We had ten units in the field and tested them for over a year and made numerous changes over that time from what we learned from doing real dives. I quit counting my dives on it at 300 and it has held up real well. Most of my dives have been in caves and I have had it close to 300 ft depth on more than one occasion. Joe Dituri has a lot of time on his unit and he has just completed his PHD with the Navy and could very well be a future head of Navy Diving. Tom Mount has had a lot of input into the project and I consider him and Joe two of the more knowledgable people on the subject.

What Rudi was talking about is it is set up to take anyone's wings or harness because they used the standard 11 inch bolt spacing.

I hope I answered most of your questions and my offer still stands get with me sometime when your in the area and I will take your through the unit.

Crazyduck · 4th January 2006, 20:34

Trouble maker!

I was not so lucky to hit DEMA this year, maybe next.

Also for my sanity I need a break to go diving on vacation.

MEXICO is calling my name!

Thanks dude!
Andrew

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Did you NOT read my DEMA report?!

JimG · 5th January 2006, 03:26

Since when did the Navy confer the Ph.D. degree?

JimG
Tampa

**JPJones** · 5th January 2006, 12:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by JimG)

Since when did the Navy confer the Ph.D. degree?

JimG
Tampa

They sent him and paid for it and paid him while he went. This is a common practice in all branches of service. The ones of us that know him are very proud of a young man that started as an enlisted seaman and has worked hard to get where he is.

decoweenie · 5th January 2006, 13:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

They sent him and paid for it and paid him while he went.

You meant...

"We (as in US taxpayers) sent him and paid for it and paid him while he went"

Good job, Joe!

**JPJones** · 5th January 2006, 15:45

[quote=decoweenie]You meant...

"We (as in US taxpayers) sent him and paid for it and paid him while he went"

Good job, Joe![/qu

amen

Crazyduck · 5th January 2006, 18:43

I for one appricate the sacrifices that the men and woman of our armed forces make for all of us. We need to provide them with not only the best equipment but also the Best Education that we can because battles are won by the man in the field and his/her ability to visualize and beat the enemy mentally as well as physically.

Lets not forget the men and woman who are in harms way; this includes the private contractors who support and are private warriors.

Andrew

4th January 2006, 04:28	#1 (permalink)
Crazyduck Underwater Mechanic Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS, Dallas/ Ft.Worth Posts: 712	Optima/ Micropore Questions Does damaging the Micropore product effect the ability of the product? This is relation to crushed or bent corners. Impact to the body sections and any impacts, marks or wear? Bascially what happens in the field. What is the effective difference between the model that is made for the Dolphin and the Diverite Optima? I have not seen anything on the website from Micropore. Different size, length, media choice… On the Diverite manual they show a tube that runs through the core of the Micropore cartridge. Is this the oxygen injection point for the scrubber- I was not too sure with the way the loop was running right to left or left to right? I understand the flow patterns of the gas through kitty litter, what changes for this media material- maybe a link or industry explanation would be cool. I am concerned with the flow rate through the media and keeping up with the diver. There is references to Farallon USA and the designer of the breathing loop. What breathing loops has Farallon USA developed in the past for Military rebreathers? Specific Ref- http://www.farallonusa.com/whatsnew.html Direct Quote- “Prior to research and development of Optima, we took a good look at what is in the market, thus Optima will be an upgrade choice to what is in the market today” said Rudi Asseer, President of FarallonUSA. Gone are the days of custom tools to assemble your rebreather. Farallon has used its military experience to deliver a state of the art rebreather. The Optima has been designed to use standard tools for assembly, standard hose fittings throughout the unit, and even standard 11” center holes for the harness and bladder allowing the user to easily customize his unit. These are honest questions and not intended to be an attack on the unit I am looking for realistic answers. Thanks, Andrew __________________ Howdy Senor- What’s Happening! Rob Davie April 2005- Presently in a state of transition from Open Circuit to Closed Circuit. "You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by it." - Buddha. Last edited by Crazyduck : 4th January 2006 at 04:29. Reason: need to learn how to spell
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4th January 2006, 08:15	#2 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,496	Re: Optima/ Micropore Questions Quote: (Originally Posted by Crazyduck) On the Diverite manual they show a tube that runs through the core of the Micropore cartridge. Is this the oxygen injection point for the scrubber - I was not too sure with the way the loop was running right to left or left to right? Did you NOT read my DEMA report?! The solenoid is in the "head" end of the scrubber (diver's left), the metal pipe routes the gas to the entry side of the scrubber so it injected into the loop before the cartridge. Quote: ... thus Optima will be an upgrade choice to what is in the market today I predict falling prices for used CCRs, Megs and Borises will flood the second hand market. Quote: Farallon has used its military experience to deliver* a state of the art rebreather.* The guy in shipping used to be in the army? __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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4th January 2006, 14:09	#3 (permalink)
JPJones O2ptima Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 367	Re: Optima/ Micropore Questions Quote: (Originally Posted by Crazyduck) Does damaging the Micropore product effect the ability of the product? This is relation to crushed or bent corners. Impact to the body sections and any impacts, marks or wear? Bascially what happens in the field. What is the effective difference between the model that is made for the Dolphin and the Diverite Optima? I have not seen anything on the website from Micropore. Different size, length, media choice… On the Diverite manual they show a tube that runs through the core of the Micropore cartridge. Is this the oxygen injection point for the scrubber- I was not too sure with the way the loop was running right to left or left to right? I understand the flow patterns of the gas through kitty litter, what changes for this media material- maybe a link or industry explanation would be cool. I am concerned with the flow rate through the media and keeping up with the diver. There is references to Farallon USA and the designer of the breathing loop. What breathing loops has Farallon USA developed in the past for Military rebreathers? Specific Ref- http://www.farallonusa.com/whatsnew.html Direct Quote- “Prior to research and development of Optima, we took a good look at what is in the market, thus Optima will be an upgrade choice to what is in the market today” said Rudi Asseer, President of FarallonUSA. Gone are the days of custom tools to assemble your rebreather. Farallon has used its military experience to deliver a state of the art rebreather. The Optima has been designed to use standard tools for assembly, standard hose fittings throughout the unit, and even standard 11” center holes for the harness and bladder allowing the user to easily customize his unit. These are honest questions and not intended to be an attack on the unit I am looking for realistic answers. Thanks, Andrew Andrew there is nothing new in the design it is all existing and proved technology. I answer for you once before why the scubber was located where it is. I t does two things shorted the breathing loop and make it more water resistant. They ask a lot of industry leaders for input into what they wanted in a rebreather and tried to follow their recommendations. We had ten units in the field and tested them for over a year and made numerous changes over that time from what we learned from doing real dives. I quit counting my dives on it at 300 and it has held up real well. Most of my dives have been in caves and I have had it close to 300 ft depth on more than one occasion. Joe Dituri has a lot of time on his unit and he has just completed his PHD with the Navy and could very well be a future head of Navy Diving. Tom Mount has had a lot of input into the project and I consider him and Joe two of the more knowledgable people on the subject. What Rudi was talking about is it is set up to take anyone's wings or harness because they used the standard 11 inch bolt spacing. I hope I answered most of your questions and my offer still stands get with me sometime when your in the area and I will take your through the unit. __________________ NSS/CDS Training Chairman www.jpjscuba.com
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4th January 2006, 20:25	#4 (permalink)
Crazyduck Underwater Mechanic Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS, Dallas/ Ft.Worth Posts: 712	Re: Optima/ Micropore Questions John, Thank you for answering my post, I appricate it. Regards, Andrew Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) Andrew there is nothing new in the design it is all existing and proved technology. I answer for you once before why the scubber was located where it is. I t does two things shorted the breathing loop and make it more water resistant. They ask a lot of industry leaders for input into what they wanted in a rebreather and tried to follow their recommendations. We had ten units in the field and tested them for over a year and made numerous changes over that time from what we learned from doing real dives. I quit counting my dives on it at 300 and it has held up real well. Most of my dives have been in caves and I have had it close to 300 ft depth on more than one occasion. Joe Dituri has a lot of time on his unit and he has just completed his PHD with the Navy and could very well be a future head of Navy Diving. Tom Mount has had a lot of input into the project and I consider him and Joe two of the more knowledgable people on the subject. What Rudi was talking about is it is set up to take anyone's wings or harness because they used the standard 11 inch bolt spacing. I hope I answered most of your questions and my offer still stands get with me sometime when your in the area and I will take your through the unit. __________________ Howdy Senor- What’s Happening! Rob Davie April 2005- Presently in a state of transition from Open Circuit to Closed Circuit. "You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by it." - Buddha.
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4th January 2006, 20:34	#5 (permalink)
Crazyduck Underwater Mechanic Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS, Dallas/ Ft.Worth Posts: 712	Re: Optima/ Micropore Questions Trouble maker! I was not so lucky to hit DEMA this year, maybe next. Also for my sanity I need a break to go diving on vacation. MEXICO is calling my name! Thanks dude! Andrew Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Did you NOT read my DEMA report?! __________________ Howdy Senor- What’s Happening! Rob Davie April 2005- Presently in a state of transition from Open Circuit to Closed Circuit. "You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by it." - Buddha.
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5th January 2006, 03:26	#6 (permalink)
JimG New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 39	Re: Optima/ Micropore Questions Since when did the Navy confer the Ph.D. degree? JimG Tampa
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5th January 2006, 12:01	#7 (permalink)
JPJones O2ptima Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 367	Re: Optima/ Micropore Questions Quote: (Originally Posted by JimG) Since when did the Navy confer the Ph.D. degree? JimG Tampa They sent him and paid for it and paid him while he went. This is a common practice in all branches of service. The ones of us that know him are very proud of a young man that started as an enlisted seaman and has worked hard to get where he is. __________________ NSS/CDS Training Chairman www.jpjscuba.com
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5th January 2006, 13:08	#8 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Optima/ Micropore Questions Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) They sent him and paid for it and paid him while he went. You meant... "We (as in US taxpayers) sent him and paid for it and paid him while he went" Good job, Joe! __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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5th January 2006, 15:45	#9 (permalink)
JPJones O2ptima Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 367	Re: Optima/ Micropore Questions [quote=decoweenie]You meant... "We (as in US taxpayers) sent him and paid for it and paid him while he went" Good job, Joe![/qu amen __________________ NSS/CDS Training Chairman www.jpjscuba.com
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5th January 2006, 18:43	#10 (permalink)
Crazyduck Underwater Mechanic Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS, Dallas/ Ft.Worth Posts: 712	Re: Optima/ Micropore Questions I for one appricate the sacrifices that the men and woman of our armed forces make for all of us. We need to provide them with not only the best equipment but also the Best Education that we can because battles are won by the man in the field and his/her ability to visualize and beat the enemy mentally as well as physically. Lets not forget the men and woman who are in harms way; this includes the private contractors who support and are private warriors. Andrew __________________ Howdy Senor- What’s Happening! Rob Davie April 2005- Presently in a state of transition from Open Circuit to Closed Circuit. "You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by it." - Buddha.
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