What is your greatest Rebreather fear?

***caveseeker7*** · 24th May 2005, 19:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mr. Greekbird)

Wow, the chronology of the icons is perfect, that must have taken you ages

Actually the one were you kiss your ass good bye is missing.

pchanning · 24th May 2005, 19:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

As mentioned above the one thing that is really out of your control is a CO2 hit. I came very close to a cocktail the other week which was a wake up call.

What really worries me is screwing up. I think I am probably the biggest danger to my own safety, and I don't mean that flippantly. If you look at most risky activities, an awful lot of incidents, maybe most, happen because of something the participant does. I had a very near miss on sunday through complacency that made me stop and think. I've been gas diving for ten years (though playing on rebreathers for only two) and it shocked me how easily and simply I almost made it to the dive accident reports.

At the moment I think technology is fairly reliable. The big factor I've considered in moving to rebreathers is whether or not you can rely on yourself to do things right each time. There is not much margin for error or bodging things. I think I am still at the uptight, anal stage of rebreather diving, I haven't been doing it long enough to get complacent. That I suppose is my greatest fear because I am sure it will come as it is human nature and a combo of luck and skill as to whether or not you survive to learn your lesson.

Cheers,

Stuart

Well, come on, what did you do?? ...you cant chuck us a big line like that and not commit... share for the benefit of all n' all that.

I'll make an offerring in trade:

A while ago I got the o2 and dil cylinders the wrong way round. Didn't get near the water. I just looked at it the next day and......................

.....TOSSER..!!

As it happened I conducted a little experiment to see whether the breather (Inspiration) would've let me dive and sure enough I wouldn't have. It wouldn't have been able to get the loop anywhere near setpoint, it would've showed a low o2 warning straight off.

Just as well I wasn't on the boat... I wouldn't have lived it down. me:

them:

Easily done, but I wont do it again.

paul

Mdemon · 24th May 2005, 20:04

Following on from that, my biggest fear is screwing up.

My second biggest is getting found out...

**wedivebc** · 24th May 2005, 21:34

My biggest fear is screwing up and then having you lot discussing how bad I screwed up after I'm gone

***schford*** · 24th May 2005, 21:39

But we would be soo keeping your memory alive Dave!

All joking aside - don't joke about things like that dude!

Stuart

buggeriamold · 24th May 2005, 21:56

Leaving my young bloke with out a father, because I ****ed up in the name of having fun!

RebreatherDave · 25th May 2005, 03:19

For those that fear a caustic cocktail, perhaps AP's in-the-works Expedition rebreather with a recoverable scrubber will be just your ticket.....

JonnyB · 25th May 2005, 06:09

i agree with everything said above, for me i day to day basis my greatest fear is not making hte actual dive, I am concerned though about hypoxia, hyperoxia and hypercapnia. These are all serious situations and you should not take them lightly, in doubt bailout!!!

/Jonny

lizardland · 25th May 2005, 09:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

Following on from that, my biggest fear is screwing up.

My second biggest is getting found out...

The Astronauts' Prayer from Tom Wolfe's The Right Stuff went along the lines of:

"I'm not worried about screwing up, just please don't let anyone see"

OK, what happened on my dive probably isn't that exciting but for me it was a good slap round the head and a grumble of don't be so cocky. I was diving on OC on a nice, simple 40m wreck. But as usual I got distracted talking shite whilst loading my kit on the boat, forgetting my mask and bottom timer. MAsk I borrowed and thought as long as I stick close to my buddy then I don't need the timer. I broke a finstrap getting in the water and with all the hassle I couldn't be bothered taking my O2 bottle which in retrospect saved my life. Do the dive, had a nice swim about, go back to the shot, ascended, all good. After a while my buddy gives me a signal to stop and shows me her computer, showing 10min of stops. So we stay there for 10min, all the while my buddy keeps showing me her computer. Yeah, yeah, I thought and went back to sleep. Only it turned out we weren't at 6m, it was 21m. She had wanted to do a short deep stop and assumed I'd looked at the depth. I'd assumed we were going to 6m so didn't bother.

Like I said, not that exciting but when I hit my stop I remember thinking I really wish I'd brought the O2 bottle now. It was only afterwards I realised that if I had I wouldn't have thought twice about switching to it. 3.1bar of O2 I don't imagine would have been too good, my buddy probably wouldn't have stopped me because she is a DIR diver, 21m is the standard switch to EAN50 so everything would appear to be to plan. It was only the broken fin strap that pissed me off enough to stop me taking it. If I had I would have used it and I'd more than likely be dead.

Cheers,

Stuart

***schford*** · 25th May 2005, 11:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherDave)

For those that fear a caustic cocktail, perhaps AP's in-the-works Expedition rebreather with a recoverable scrubber will be just your ticket.....

Or if you don't want to wait for ever

pick up a second hand CIS Lunar Scrubber and stick it in a Meg or wait a few months and pick up a new one this summer...

24th May 2005, 19:13	#11 (permalink)
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24th May 2005, 19:26	#12 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) As mentioned above the one thing that is really out of your control is a CO2 hit. I came very close to a cocktail the other week which was a wake up call. What really worries me is screwing up. I think I am probably the biggest danger to my own safety, and I don't mean that flippantly. If you look at most risky activities, an awful lot of incidents, maybe most, happen because of something the participant does. I had a very near miss on sunday through complacency that made me stop and think. I've been gas diving for ten years (though playing on rebreathers for only two) and it shocked me how easily and simply I almost made it to the dive accident reports. At the moment I think technology is fairly reliable. The big factor I've considered in moving to rebreathers is whether or not you can rely on yourself to do things right each time. There is not much margin for error or bodging things. I think I am still at the uptight, anal stage of rebreather diving, I haven't been doing it long enough to get complacent. That I suppose is my greatest fear because I am sure it will come as it is human nature and a combo of luck and skill as to whether or not you survive to learn your lesson. Cheers, Stuart Well, come on, what did you do?? ...you cant chuck us a big line like that and not commit... share for the benefit of all n' all that. I'll make an offerring in trade: A while ago I got the o2 and dil cylinders the wrong way round. Didn't get near the water. I just looked at it the next day and...................... .....TOSSER..!! As it happened I conducted a little experiment to see whether the breather (Inspiration) would've let me dive and sure enough I wouldn't have. It wouldn't have been able to get the loop anywhere near setpoint, it would've showed a low o2 warning straight off. Just as well I wasn't on the boat... I wouldn't have lived it down. me: them: Easily done, but I wont do it again. paul
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24th May 2005, 20:04	#13 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,906	Following on from that, my biggest fear is screwing up. My second biggest is getting found out... __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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24th May 2005, 21:34	#14 (permalink)
wedivebc FIGJAM Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,411	My biggest fear is screwing up and then having you lot discussing how bad I screwed up after I'm gone __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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24th May 2005, 21:39	#15 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,674	But we would be soo keeping your memory alive Dave! All joking aside - don't joke about things like that dude! Stuart
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24th May 2005, 21:56	#16 (permalink)
buggeriamold Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: australia Posts: 100	Leaving my young bloke with out a father, because I ****ed up in the name of having fun! __________________ Well, it is cheap stuff and it comes almost from the local gardening store, but it works fine and it's very solid. We tried to destroy one by hitting it with a hammer... we succeeded but we really had to hit it hard.
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25th May 2005, 03:19	#17 (permalink)
RebreatherDave Maximum **** Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s:** Join Date: May 2005 Location: L.A., where the debris meets the sea Posts: 227	Solution to caustic cocktails For those that fear a caustic cocktail, perhaps AP's in-the-works Expedition rebreather with a recoverable scrubber will be just your ticket.....
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25th May 2005, 06:09	#18 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 962	i agree with everything said above, for me i day to day basis my greatest fear is not making hte actual dive, I am concerned though about hypoxia, hyperoxia and hypercapnia. These are all serious situations and you should not take them lightly, in doubt bailout!!! /Jonny
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25th May 2005, 09:04	#19 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,256	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) Following on from that, my biggest fear is screwing up. My second biggest is getting found out... The Astronauts' Prayer from Tom Wolfe's The Right Stuff went along the lines of: "I'm not worried about screwing up, just please don't let anyone see" OK, what happened on my dive probably isn't that exciting but for me it was a good slap round the head and a grumble of don't be so cocky. I was diving on OC on a nice, simple 40m wreck. But as usual I got distracted talking shite whilst loading my kit on the boat, forgetting my mask and bottom timer. MAsk I borrowed and thought as long as I stick close to my buddy then I don't need the timer. I broke a finstrap getting in the water and with all the hassle I couldn't be bothered taking my O2 bottle which in retrospect saved my life. Do the dive, had a nice swim about, go back to the shot, ascended, all good. After a while my buddy gives me a signal to stop and shows me her computer, showing 10min of stops. So we stay there for 10min, all the while my buddy keeps showing me her computer. Yeah, yeah, I thought and went back to sleep. Only it turned out we weren't at 6m, it was 21m. She had wanted to do a short deep stop and assumed I'd looked at the depth. I'd assumed we were going to 6m so didn't bother. Like I said, not that exciting but when I hit my stop I remember thinking I really wish I'd brought the O2 bottle now. It was only afterwards I realised that if I had I wouldn't have thought twice about switching to it. 3.1bar of O2 I don't imagine would have been too good, my buddy probably wouldn't have stopped me because she is a DIR diver, 21m is the standard switch to EAN50 so everything would appear to be to plan. It was only the broken fin strap that pissed me off enough to stop me taking it. If I had I would have used it and I'd more than likely be dead. Cheers, Stuart
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25th May 2005, 11:34	#20 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,674	Quote: (Originally Posted by RebreatherDave) For those that fear a caustic cocktail, perhaps AP's in-the-works Expedition rebreather with a recoverable scrubber will be just your ticket..... Or if you don't want to wait for ever pick up a second hand CIS Lunar Scrubber and stick it in a Meg or wait a few months and pick up a new one this summer...
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