Diverite

***caveseeker7*** · 20th June 2006, 01:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

But I do have Dive Rite tatooed on my rearend

A mental image I shall savor.

Quote: (Originally Posted by jiseson)

this all sounds like kindergarden

Indeed it does.

Some people, when they actually have a thought ... they should keep it to themselves.

Unfortunately, they ususally don't.

dantheman · 20th June 2006, 02:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

But I do have Dive Rite tatooed on my rearend

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

A mental image I shall savor.

I, on the other hand, felt an immediate need to wash my hands

--dan

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 20th June 2006, 03:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

I own a Kiss and think they are a good MCCR and have around 40 hours on the Inspiration and only around 10 on the Meg. But I do have Dive Rite tatooed on my rearend

Sounds like someone who knows enough to be in a position to comment.

Hard . . . to resist . . . must not make derogatory comments about other units . . . . Must . . . resist . . . .

. Sorry, I just couldn't help myself.

MikeH · 20th June 2006, 03:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

But I do have Dive Rite tatooed on my rearend

Thanks a lot, John....that's an image I DIDN'T need!!

Mike

decoweenie · 20th June 2006, 06:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

I own a Kiss and think they are a good MCCR and have around 40 hours on the Inspiration and only around 10 on the Meg.

Fair enough.

Quote:

I do have Dive Rite tatooed on my rearend

I do agree that's the perfect location given the nicknames of the unit by the Oz guys...

Jason Blackwell · 20th June 2006, 06:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Fair enough.

I do agree that's the perfect location given the nicknames of the unit by the Oz guys...

Getting all defensive here.....pray tell what do they call a unit they have not even seen in the "flesh" so to speak? I had the only one in Oz until the first student was certified just 3 weeks ago.

**Gill Envy** · 20th June 2006, 17:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

I have one question for the nay sayers have you ever dove the Optima and used the Micropore Cartridge in the Optima. I dive both Kisses, the MEG and the Inspiration and I still love my Optima.

well, ok, yes, i have "dove" the optima, and really like it, felt great, nice harness, easy to breathe, intuitive display...AND very expensive cartridge with no adapter for sorb when the cartridge is not available on an expedition. As far as a scrubber canister comparison, i'm getting 3-5 hours off of my evo scrubber, can actually monitor it with the temp stick, which makes using the same scrubber for multiple dives, even with a week inbetween, possible and feel more sane. And I don't think the small size of the potential market for the cartridge is likely to reach a significantly better economy of scale any time soon: i think it's going to remain quite pricey for the time being.

As for caustic cocktail, i just don't buy that with todays front mounted counter lungs that you are likely to ever encounter that anyway.

My bottom line is don't buy the optima if you're doing it to be economical, you will spend the difference on the extend air cartridges over a relatively short period of time (a couple of years) vs the evo/inspo/vision or the meg (for even comparison-when it's available with integrated deco). Do buy the optima if you like it and feel that the cost benefit analysis of the extend air cartridge is worth it to you, just don't kid yourself about saving money.

Jordan · 20th June 2006, 19:38

I bought the Optima because the cost benefit was a win win

Sorry, had to

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 20th June 2006, 22:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gillenvy)

My bottom line is don't buy the optima if you're doing it to be economical, you will spend the difference on the extend air cartridges over a relatively short period of time (a couple of years) vs the evo/inspo/vision or the meg (for even comparison-when it's available with integrated deco). Do buy the optima if you like it and feel that the cost benefit analysis of the extend air cartridge is worth it to you, just don't kid yourself about saving money.

It costs more but not enough to matter a whole lot over the course of time unless you only dive shallow for short intervals with many days between dive sessions. On the other hand, I am willing to pay a little more for convenience and an added safety margin.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gillenvy)

As for caustic cocktail, i just don't buy that with todays front mounted counter lungs that you are likely to ever encounter that anyway.

You can minimize the issue of caustic cocktails in your mind if you wish. However, the EAC virtually eliminates them unless you pretty much set out to make them happen by leaving a completely flooded loop in the water for a long time (like more than 30 minutes) and then attempting to clear it and breathe from it. There are certainly accounts of this happening with standard scrubber material. So, it is not exactly fair to minimize such a serious issue and then to dwell on a little extra cost as being a big thing.

**JPJones** · 20th June 2006, 22:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gillenvy)

well, ok, yes, i have "dove" the optima, and really like it, felt great, nice harness, easy to breathe, intuitive display...AND very expensive cartridge with no adapter for sorb when the cartridge is not available on an expedition. As far as a scrubber canister comparison, i'm getting 3-5 hours off of my evo scrubber, can actually monitor it with the temp stick, which makes using the same scrubber for multiple dives, even with a week inbetween, possible and feel more sane. And I don't think the small size of the potential market for the cartridge is likely to reach a significantly better economy of scale any time soon: i think it's going to remain quite pricey for the time being.

As for caustic cocktail, i just don't buy that with todays front mounted counter lungs that you are likely to ever encounter that anyway.

My bottom line is don't buy the optima if you're doing it to be economical, you will spend the difference on the extend air cartridges over a relatively short period of time (a couple of years) vs the evo/inspo/vision or the meg (for even comparison-when it's available with integrated deco). Do buy the optima if you like it and feel that the cost benefit analysis of the extend air cartridge is worth it to you, just don't kid yourself about saving money.

I don't think your in the right sport if your trying to save money.

20th June 2006, 01:18	#31 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,435	Re: Diverite Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) But I do have Dive Rite tatooed on my rearend A mental image I shall savor. Quote: (Originally Posted by jiseson) this all sounds like kindergarden Indeed it does. Some people, when they actually have a thought ... they should keep it to themselves. Unfortunately, they ususally don't. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.'!"
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20th June 2006, 02:38	#32 (permalink)
dantheman Emoticonoclast Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: NorthEast USA Posts: 393	Re: Diverite Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) But I do have Dive Rite tatooed on my rearend Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) A mental image I shall savor. I, on the other hand, felt an immediate need to wash my hands --dan
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20th June 2006, 03:20	#33 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,076	Re: Diverite Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) I own a Kiss and think they are a good MCCR and have around 40 hours on the Inspiration and only around 10 on the Meg. But I do have Dive Rite tatooed on my rearend Sounds like someone who knows enough to be in a position to comment. Hard . . . to resist . . . must not make derogatory comments about other units . . . . Must . . . resist . . . . . Sorry, I just couldn't help myself. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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20th June 2006, 03:43	#34 (permalink)
MikeH Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL USA Posts: 178	Re: Diverite Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) But I do have Dive Rite tatooed on my rearend Thanks a lot, John....that's an image I DIDN'T need!! Mike
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20th June 2006, 06:23	#35 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: Diverite Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) I own a Kiss and think they are a good MCCR and have around 40 hours on the Inspiration and only around 10 on the Meg. Fair enough. Quote: I do have Dive Rite tatooed on my rearend I do agree that's the perfect location given the nicknames of the unit by the Oz guys...
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20th June 2006, 06:40	#36 (permalink)
Jason Blackwell Bloody Rebreathers! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima Dolphin Ray Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA Posts: 361	Re: Diverite Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Fair enough. I do agree that's the perfect location given the nicknames of the unit by the Oz guys... Getting all defensive here.....pray tell what do they call a unit they have not even seen in the "flesh" so to speak? I had the only one in Oz until the first student was certified just 3 weeks ago. __________________ Jason Blackwell TDI Instructor Trainer #1358 Optima...Inspiration/Evolution...KISS...and what is next??? www.divedivedive.com.au OZTeK '09 March 2009 Sydney, Australia www.diveoztek.com.au
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20th June 2006, 17:56	#37 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Diver Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,302	Re: Diverite Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) I have one question for the nay sayers have you ever dove the Optima and used the Micropore Cartridge in the Optima. I dive both Kisses, the MEG and the Inspiration and I still love my Optima. well, ok, yes, i have "dove" the optima, and really like it, felt great, nice harness, easy to breathe, intuitive display...AND very expensive cartridge with no adapter for sorb when the cartridge is not available on an expedition. As far as a scrubber canister comparison, i'm getting 3-5 hours off of my evo scrubber, can actually monitor it with the temp stick, which makes using the same scrubber for multiple dives, even with a week inbetween, possible and feel more sane. And I don't think the small size of the potential market for the cartridge is likely to reach a significantly better economy of scale any time soon: i think it's going to remain quite pricey for the time being. As for caustic cocktail, i just don't buy that with todays front mounted counter lungs that you are likely to ever encounter that anyway. My bottom line is don't buy the optima if you're doing it to be economical, you will spend the difference on the extend air cartridges over a relatively short period of time (a couple of years) vs the evo/inspo/vision or the meg (for even comparison-when it's available with integrated deco). Do buy the optima if you like it and feel that the cost benefit analysis of the extend air cartridge is worth it to you, just don't kid yourself about saving money. __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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20th June 2006, 19:38	#38 (permalink)
Jordan ebt called me stroppy! Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: North Florida Posts: 225	Re: Diverite I bought the Optima because the cost benefit was a win win Sorry, had to __________________ Is it clear? No. Well, let's go anyways. "Those who would sacrifice a little freedom for a little order, will lose both, and deserve neither." Thomas Jefferson
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20th June 2006, 22:15	#39 (permalink)
*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,076	Re: Diverite Quote: (Originally Posted by Gillenvy) My bottom line is don't buy the optima if you're doing it to be economical, you will spend the difference on the extend air cartridges over a relatively short period of time (a couple of years) vs the evo/inspo/vision or the meg (for even comparison-when it's available with integrated deco). Do buy the optima if you like it and feel that the cost benefit analysis of the extend air cartridge is worth it to you, just don't kid yourself about saving money. It costs more but not enough to matter a whole lot over the course of time unless you only dive shallow for short intervals with many days between dive sessions. On the other hand, I am willing to pay a little more for convenience and an added safety margin. Quote: (Originally Posted by Gillenvy) As for caustic cocktail, i just don't buy that with todays front mounted counter lungs that you are likely to ever encounter that anyway. You can minimize the issue of caustic cocktails in your mind if you wish. However, the EAC virtually eliminates them unless you pretty much set out to make them happen by leaving a completely flooded loop in the water for a long time (like more than 30 minutes) and then attempting to clear it and breathe from it. There are certainly accounts of this happening with standard scrubber material. So, it is not exactly fair to minimize such a serious issue and then to dwell on a little extra cost as being a big thing. __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com Last edited by ScubaDadMiami : 21st June 2006 at 00:35.
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20th June 2006, 22:34	#40 (permalink)
JPJones O2ptima Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 367	Re: Diverite Quote: (Originally Posted by Gillenvy) well, ok, yes, i have "dove" the optima, and really like it, felt great, nice harness, easy to breathe, intuitive display...AND very expensive cartridge with no adapter for sorb when the cartridge is not available on an expedition. As far as a scrubber canister comparison, i'm getting 3-5 hours off of my evo scrubber, can actually monitor it with the temp stick, which makes using the same scrubber for multiple dives, even with a week inbetween, possible and feel more sane. And I don't think the small size of the potential market for the cartridge is likely to reach a significantly better economy of scale any time soon: i think it's going to remain quite pricey for the time being. As for caustic cocktail, i just don't buy that with todays front mounted counter lungs that you are likely to ever encounter that anyway. My bottom line is don't buy the optima if you're doing it to be economical, you will spend the difference on the extend air cartridges over a relatively short period of time (a couple of years) vs the evo/inspo/vision or the meg (for even comparison-when it's available with integrated deco). Do buy the optima if you like it and feel that the cost benefit analysis of the extend air cartridge is worth it to you, just don't kid yourself about saving money. I don't think your in the right sport if your trying to save money. __________________ NSS/CDS Training Chairman www.jpjscuba.com
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