Poll to find out Meg or vision ???

ajmtucke · 6th June 2006, 15:43

Ok very simple poll here to gauge to views of the rebreather massive.

Thinking of an imminent purchase, even though there don't seem to be any visions currently available anywhere !!

cheers

ash

***schford*** · 6th June 2006, 15:51

Why dont you tell us about you first and about the diving you want to do.

Simple things like amount of travel you do, whether you need a clutter free chest or wanting integrated deco can affect our reccomendations.

Cheers

Stuart

ajmtucke · 6th June 2006, 16:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Why dont you tell us about you first and about the diving you want to do.
Simple things like amount of travel you do, whether you need a clutter free chest or wanting integrated deco can affect our reccomendations.

I can do, but i was rather wanting just peoples unbiased choices...

I will be doing trimix dives on everything from 10m to 100m (eventually !!)
Not much international travel with the unit, but quite a lot of UK travel. Have a VR3 already which would be a backup along with tables.

cheers

ash

***schford*** · 6th June 2006, 16:05

Picking a unit is such a subjective thing though IMHO...eg if you care about being able to resell it in the EU then your choies all of a sudden are the Insp / Evo or Boris ye ye Dolphin or Submatix

I picked a Meg(with Shearwater) and that was right for me but it might not be right for you - likewise people pick Inspirations and are more than happy with them (especially with cool shit like Phis Frame)

I think if cash was no limit I would have a Meg, Sport Kiss, Boris oh and maybe a 15.5 as well

James · 6th June 2006, 16:44

I find diving on the vision very easy which comes in handy when I'm doing video work. I think it is the most user friendly unit on the market and at the moment it is the best overall package. It isn't rated to go more than 100m, but how many 100m+ dives do most people do?

I like the Megs build quality & design, but I think its electronics are a long way behind the vision.

James.

***Decodiver*** · 6th June 2006, 19:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

Picking a unit is such a subjective thing though IMHO...eg if you care about being able to resell it in the EU then your choies all of a sudden are the Insp / Evo or Boris ye ye Dolphin or Submatix

Sorry Stu but this is not true, CE is not needed to sell a second hand unit in any way.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

***Decodiver*** · 6th June 2006, 19:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by James)

I find diving on the vision very easy which comes in handy when I'm doing video work. I think it is the most user friendly unit on the market and at the moment it is the best overall package. It isn't rated to go more than 100m, but how many 100m+ dives do most people do?

I like the Megs build quality & design, but I think its electronics are a long way behind the vision.

James.

James,

Have you dived both?

I do.

If not I do not see how you can make that comparison.

I teach both units to mixed gas level and am an IT on the Inspiration and Evolution.

For shear modularity and build quality the Meg gets my vote.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

dave t · 6th June 2006, 20:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Sorry Stu but this is not true, CE is not needed to sell a second hand unit in any way.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

Err. dont think that is right Dave, if you sell a second hand non CE rebreather in the EU you are technically breaking the laws of CE mark. If you buy a non ce rebreather and sell it to a student or anyone for that matter, you become the "importer" and all the liability issues that go with it, such as product liability insurance, responsibility for the CE mark (or lack of it) In short if you do this transaction and something goes wrong you could be in a world of Pain!!

Dave

***schford*** · 6th June 2006, 20:28

Unless some one showed me case law which established that you can legally sell a non CE marked unit in Europe then you would be barking to do it...

Whether it is new or second hand is irrelevant.....If you sold it and anything happened to the person diving it - then your going to be in a world of pain as Dave (T) so elequantly put it! Like possibly being liable for all their lost earnings to their family....not a risk I would be willing to take.

Stuart

***Decodiver*** · 6th June 2006, 20:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t)

Err. dont think that is right Dave, if you sell a second hand non CE rebreather in the EU you are technically breaking the laws of CE mark. If you buy a non ce rebreather and sell it to a student or anyone for that matter, you become the "importer" and all the liability issues that go with it, such as product liability insurance, responsibility for the CE mark (or lack of it) In short if you do this transaction and something goes wrong you could be in a world of Pain!!

Dave

Sorry Dave I do not agree. As an instructor yes this is precluded but as a non commercial entity ie diver to diver I see no issues.

Hence the sale of second hand KISS's and Hammerheads and Megs etc.

Dave.

View Poll Results: Meg or Vision ??
Megalodon	49	40.50%
Inspiration Vision	47	38.84%
Other (ie. kiss/classic/boris)	25	20.66%
Voters: 121. You may not vote on this poll

6th June 2006, 15:43	#1 (permalink)
ajmtucke New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Posts: 83	Poll to find out Meg or vision ??? Ok very simple poll here to gauge to views of the rebreather massive. Thinking of an imminent purchase, even though there don't seem to be any visions currently available anywhere !! cheers ash
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6th June 2006, 15:51	#2 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,562	Re: Poll to find out Meg or vision ??? Why dont you tell us about you first and about the diving you want to do. Simple things like amount of travel you do, whether you need a clutter free chest or wanting integrated deco can affect our reccomendations. Cheers Stuart __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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6th June 2006, 16:01	#3 (permalink)
ajmtucke New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Posts: 83	Re: Poll to find out Meg or vision ??? Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) Why dont you tell us about you first and about the diving you want to do. Simple things like amount of travel you do, whether you need a clutter free chest or wanting integrated deco can affect our reccomendations. I can do, but i was rather wanting just peoples unbiased choices... I will be doing trimix dives on everything from 10m to 100m (eventually !!) Not much international travel with the unit, but quite a lot of UK travel. Have a VR3 already which would be a backup along with tables. cheers ash
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6th June 2006, 16:05	#4 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,562	Re: Poll to find out Meg or vision ??? Picking a unit is such a subjective thing though IMHO...eg if you care about being able to resell it in the EU then your choies all of a sudden are the Insp / Evo or Boris ye ye Dolphin or Submatix I picked a Meg(with Shearwater) and that was right for me but it might not be right for you - likewise people pick Inspirations and are more than happy with them (especially with cool shit like Phis Frame) I think if cash was no limit I would have a Meg, Sport Kiss, Boris oh and maybe a 15.5 as well __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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6th June 2006, 16:44	#5 (permalink)
James New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 59	Re: Poll to find out Meg or vision ??? I find diving on the vision very easy which comes in handy when I'm doing video work. I think it is the most user friendly unit on the market and at the moment it is the best overall package. It isn't rated to go more than 100m, but how many 100m+ dives do most people do? I like the Megs build quality & design, but I think its electronics are a long way behind the vision. James.
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6th June 2006, 19:20	#6 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,181	Re: Poll to find out Meg or vision ??? Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) Picking a unit is such a subjective thing though IMHO...eg if you care about being able to resell it in the EU then your choies all of a sudden are the Insp / Evo or Boris ye ye Dolphin or Submatix Sorry Stu but this is not true, CE is not needed to sell a second hand unit in any way. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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6th June 2006, 19:23	#7 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,181	Re: Poll to find out Meg or vision ??? Quote: (Originally Posted by James) I find diving on the vision very easy which comes in handy when I'm doing video work. I think it is the most user friendly unit on the market and at the moment it is the best overall package. It isn't rated to go more than 100m, but how many 100m+ dives do most people do? I like the Megs build quality & design, but I think its electronics are a long way behind the vision. James. James, Have you dived both? I do. If not I do not see how you can make that comparison. I teach both units to mixed gas level and am an IT on the Inspiration and Evolution. For shear modularity and build quality the Meg gets my vote. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions Last edited by Decodiver : 6th June 2006 at 19:26.
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6th June 2006, 20:09	#8 (permalink)
dave t Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 654	Re: Poll to find out Meg or vision ??? Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Sorry Stu but this is not true, CE is not needed to sell a second hand unit in any way. Cheers, Dave Cooper. Err. dont think that is right Dave, if you sell a second hand non CE rebreather in the EU you are technically breaking the laws of CE mark. If you buy a non ce rebreather and sell it to a student or anyone for that matter, you become the "importer" and all the liability issues that go with it, such as product liability insurance, responsibility for the CE mark (or lack of it) In short if you do this transaction and something goes wrong you could be in a world of Pain!! Dave
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6th June 2006, 20:28	#9 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,562	Re: Poll to find out Meg or vision ??? Unless some one showed me case law which established that you can legally sell a non CE marked unit in Europe then you would be barking to do it... Whether it is new or second hand is irrelevant.....If you sold it and anything happened to the person diving it - then your going to be in a world of pain as Dave (T) so elequantly put it! Like possibly being liable for all their lost earnings to their family....not a risk I would be willing to take. Stuart __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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6th June 2006, 20:48	#10 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,181	Re: Poll to find out Meg or vision ??? Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t) Err. dont think that is right Dave, if you sell a second hand non CE rebreather in the EU you are technically breaking the laws of CE mark. If you buy a non ce rebreather and sell it to a student or anyone for that matter, you become the "importer" and all the liability issues that go with it, such as product liability insurance, responsibility for the CE mark (or lack of it) In short if you do this transaction and something goes wrong you could be in a world of Pain!! Dave Sorry Dave I do not agree. As an instructor yes this is precluded but as a non commercial entity ie diver to diver I see no issues. Hence the sale of second hand KISS's and Hammerheads and Megs etc. Dave. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions Last edited by Decodiver : 6th June 2006 at 21:06.
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