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Old 2nd May 2006, 17:41   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Fiance says NO to me diving with a Rebreather... under the thumb or wot!

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Old 2nd May 2006, 21:45   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Fiance says NO to me diving with a Rebreather... under the thumb or wot!

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My plan was to wait and see how they get on, after all they are effectively excluding themselves from the deepish wrecks we plan on checking out on completion of the trimix as they will have to start from scratch

Also one has done 65 dives in total and the other has only done 30 max... This to me seems very little to be considering this move...
Just a thought, and pardon if I'm reading into the above too much...

At 65 / 30 dives, how are your ex students going to become trimix certified to do 'deepish' wrecks? Man, I was puddling along in the shallows, having a ball, for ages. The trimix and number of dives combined gets my alarm bells ringing.

Then, add going to a 'dive show' and coming back sold on rebreather diving sounds more like good salesmanship, rather than reasoned decision making. Again, my alarm bells, in particular 'this is an accident waiting to happen' ones which are now ringing with those attached blinking lights starting to flash as well!

I would sit back, watch and learn, glean as much information as you can from Rebreather World and let these two get on with whatever they think they are doing. Something does not sound right, IMHO. I would, however, be delighted to be wrong.
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Old 2nd May 2006, 22:30   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Fiance says NO to me diving with a Rebreather... under the thumb or wot!

Is the type of dead you are after dying using open circuit a different type of dead from dying on a CCR?
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Old 2nd May 2006, 22:45   #14 (permalink)
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Re: Fiance says NO to me diving with a Rebreather... under the thumb or wot!

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My plan was to wait and see how they get on, after all they are effectively excluding themselves from the deepish wrecks we plan on checking out on completion of the trimix as they will have to start from scratch

Also one has done 65 dives in total and the other has only done 30 max.. this to me seems very little to be considering this move...
What can I say? Find yourself some new dive buddies...

I didnt get into mix until I had done 500+ dives, and didnt get into RBs until 1000+ dives.

Take it slow, become uber comfortable in the water on OC no matter what shit hits the fan (this really does take over 200 dives to get it) and enjoy the diving!
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Old 2nd May 2006, 22:46   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Fiance says NO to me diving with a Rebreather... under the thumb or wot!

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Diving will never be 100% safe.

Tech diving IS dangerous some people (sometimes very experienced people) WILL and DO die doing it.

One should of course do all one can to make it as safe as possible - but lets not kid ourselves it is a dangerous sport.
I agree completely.

Humm, depending on the country of origin, are you allowed more that one wife or fiance?
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Re: Fiance says NO to me diving with a Rebreather... under the thumb or wot!

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What concerns me is the deaths were the diver was found floating unconsious and was never revived (or similar). In these cases it seems to me that the diver has not had chance to swap to the bail out system.............. As i dive with them weekly and dont wanna be left out ive decided to look into RBs more closely and see if i can be converted too...................... However, i would need to be 100% that what i was doing was as safe (well as safe as diving Air to 50m!).........but i think my main concerns are of dying for unexplained reasons. I love the sport but still dont want to pay the ultimate price for doing it.......................................... am i being overly cautious? .
Manxie, Reading your post, I smiled. It made me realize that the thought process that went into my choosing to dive a Rebreather, was a good one. I am not a "veteran RB" diver.I started with a Dolphin (un-modified) and now dive a Sport KISS. Your concerns of death and wanting assurances that diving a RB won't kill you are interesting. Here's a couple of things to think about: Do I understand how a Rebreather works? Am I committed to my equipment in a big way? Do I know a highly recommended and professional RB instructor? Am I wlling to be diligent about the setup, pre dive checks, UW use, post dive checks, breakdown and storage protocols, EVERY TIME and ALL THE TIME? Ask yourself do I realize that even if I do that, there is no certainty that I won't experience a negative life event while partaking in RB diving? If you're diligent, you lessen the chances that you'll experience a negative life event, you don't erase the possibility. If you're willing to do the up front work, RB diving is bliss untold. If not, you'll hasten your demise. I notice in your post a comment regarding divers floating unconscious and your thoughts on what happened. I personally have not had a friend of mine die on a RB. I have had people who have either directly or indirectly helped guide me in my selection process, from this board, die on a RB. I would request that you refrain from lumping them into a category of any kind. We have no idea why some of the divers passed on. We weren't there and it' possible that even if we were, it still wouldn't be clear as to what happened. What should be clear is that if you look at the skillsets of some of those divers, you'll find that they were damn good divers. Respect what they accomplished in their lives, respect the education passed on to us who are still here, respect the knowledge to be gleaned from this board but most of all, respect a RB, if you don't, it will kill you. Most of us have, on some level accepted that reality. We beat the odds through education, training and diligence to a particular dogma. If you don't want to be regimented in taking this RB s**t seriosly, stop now, go back to OC, continue to blow bubbles and enjoy life. If you do proceed, humble yourself, start at square one and come into the world of rebreathers slowly and with an open mind for learning. I wish you long life and true friends!
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Old 2nd May 2006, 23:28   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Fiance says NO to me diving with a Rebreather... under the thumb or wot!

There are very few cases of rebreather divers being killed by rebreathers i.e. where the cause of death was directly the rebreather. Rebreather diving does not allow for lax diving protocols. You need to be confident that you can do most things right most of the time. You also need to be confident that you have the in water common sense to deal with whatever happens.

Above all you need to look at what type of diving you are doing. If you are doing (or plan to do) deep dives then I doubt if many people here will disagree that rebreathers are actually safer than OC for deep dives.

You're also lucky that your missus is stopping you Rebreather diving due to safety concerns. Mine was only concerned about how much it was going to cost and I got given an ultimatum in no uncertain terms over me buying a Mk15.5. No mention was made of a KISS so I thought I was safe in buying one, especially as it cost a lot less. Never mind... I got a rebreather and a house out of the whole thing
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Maybe you just need a different fiance' Good luck Dave
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Re: Fiance says NO to me diving with a Rebreather... under the thumb or wot!

If she takes your rebreather, your balls are next.....
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Re: Fiance says NO to me diving with a Rebreather... under the thumb or wot!

You absolutely must put the wedding off until you get a Rebreather. Once you say "I do" it will be 15 - 20 years before you get another chance !

Remember:
o Rebreathers are safer - you don't run out of bubbles on a Rebreather;
o Rebreathers are safer - you use trimix on every dive as you can afford to;
o Rebreathers are cheaper - having written off the purchase cost to your wild bachelor days, they are cheap to run using trimix - which is safer;
o Rebreathers help spouses - higher ppO2s and lower ppN2s reduce post dive fatigue and get more housework done;
o Rebreathers get you home sooner - less deco, more housework;
o Rebreathers make a happier marriage - being the last OC diver on the boat reduces your self esteem, and therefore your success in life and work, and therefore your happiness at home and in marriage;

YOU SIMPLY CANNOT PUT IT OFF ANOTHER DAY IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A HAPPY WIFE ! THIS IS A TEST OF YOUR MANHOOD ! SHE WANTS AND EXPECTS YOU TO BUY A REBREATHER !
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