Dummies guide to rebreathers

wreckferret · 30th April 2005, 08:16

Sounds like a good idea , I also am keen to purchase a rebreather but am not very technically minded so a guide for Non-engineers would be good.

AM · 2nd May 2005, 02:17

Diving Dude I would be happy to write some basics down for you as a comparison between YBOD and KISS - I have dived several years on YBOD and dive on KISS now and I am in love with KISS, the streamlining is fantastic in the water compared to the drag on the YBOD and you can go digging round in little small spaces that KATO won't fit into. This is just a "swim/trim" difference, there are obviously much bigger differences.

Anyway if your quest for knowledge has not been satisfied by the existing stuff on the site let me know and I will send you a bunch of stuff, in 2002 (I think?) I did some major research between both units as KISS was originally going to be my first rebreather.

A point to note - YBOD factory support is in this country and is very good, and you will encounted lots of YBOD divers on the boats, so in the field repairs are not too bad but KISS has a lot fewer failure points.

Regards

AnneMarie

EDIT - another point, it is important to carefully examine the reasons behind changing to closed circuit and what exactly you want to do with a rebreather. This is critical to make the right choice of unit for you. If you know very little of CCR then potentially electronic control is the best way to start, however if you run an eCCR manually all the time you will quickly learn what your ppO2 and controller *should* be doing at all stages of the dive, this is important for manual rebreather diving.

***EBT*** · 2nd May 2005, 14:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by AnneMarie)

it is important to carefully examine the reasons behind changing to closed circuit and what exactly you want to do with a rebreather. This is critical to make the right choice of unit for you.

Agreed entirely and be VERY honest with yourself. If its just cos you want a new toy, then accept that. As long as you're aware of ALL the pro's and con's, any decision you take can be defended to yourself.

Quote: (Originally Posted by AnneMarie)

If you know very little of CCR then potentially electronic control is the best way to start, however if you run an eCCR manually all the time you will quickly learn what your ppO2 and controller *should* be doing at all stages of the dive, this is important for manual rebreather diving.

I'd disagree here, if you know very little of CCR diving, then research/reading are your starting point. (Could even take the form of a course)

Anyone diving ANY rebreather should be aware of how it works and its ideosynchrasies. This is what keeps you alive when it goes wrong.

AM · 2nd May 2005, 14:33

zak, research prior to starting would be something I would take for granted.

I meant after all the research, then it may be best to use eCCR at the start, if you know little of real world diving with CCR, the idiosyncrasies of many units don't become apparent until real diving is conducted.

Regards
AM

Mdemon · 2nd May 2005, 15:57

I'm not sure how many people splash out £4k+ without doing research first.

I do wonder how many people keep it up after splashing it out...

***EBT*** · 2nd May 2005, 16:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

I do wonder how many people keep it up after splashing it out...

You'd have to have a childish sense of humour to comment on this one..... fortunately .....

***caveseeker7*** · 3rd May 2005, 06:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by Diving Dude)

So anyone fancy doing a dummies guide to rebreathers?? and when l say dummies l mean it, real easy to understand stuff.

Aside from the before mentioned "Mastering Rebreathers" by Jeff Bozanic there are two other books on the subject:

"A Simple Guide To Rebreathers" by Steve Barsky which is just that. Less in depth than Bozanic's Book, but it also reads less like a textbook (it's NAUI's textbook for Rebreather training and was conceived as such). It's out of print, but you should be able to find it on the net.

"Tek Closed Circuit Rebreathers" by Tom Mount, David Sawatzky and Joerg Hess.
It's a new book that I haven't read yet. It's available through Dive Rite Express, the link is usually at the bottom of this page. Judging by the contents listing on Dive Rite Express' website (plenty on CO2 and a chapter on CCR accidents) it should make a good read. They also sell Bozanic's book.

JonnyB · 3rd May 2005, 06:40

Hey Stefan, i have been searching for Steve Barsky's book for almost 2 year and i have yet to find it. So if you know anyone who wants to sell it

I'd appreciate the information...

/Jonny

***caveseeker7*** · 3rd May 2005, 07:06

If I had known that it was going out of print I would have bought a bunch.
They used to have them here in many dive stores, even non-Rebreather stores. Barsky lives in Santa Barbara, and wrote a bunch of books about local diving, so they're fairly popular. It's easy reading, but a few years older than Bozanic's, covers less detail. Nice to have if you're building up a library, but really very simple.

I'm curious about the new book that Dive Rite Express has listed.

JonnyB · 3rd May 2005, 07:20

I'll tell you all about it as soon as i get it

/Jonny

30th April 2005, 08:16	#11 (permalink)
wreckferret New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Belfast, N.Ireland Posts: 8	Sounds like a good idea , I also am keen to purchase a rebreather but am not very technically minded so a guide for Non-engineers would be good. __________________ *wreckferret ( Dave )*
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2nd May 2005, 02:17	#12 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 554	Diving Dude I would be happy to write some basics down for you as a comparison between YBOD and KISS - I have dived several years on YBOD and dive on KISS now and I am in love with KISS, the streamlining is fantastic in the water compared to the drag on the YBOD and you can go digging round in little small spaces that KATO won't fit into. This is just a "swim/trim" difference, there are obviously much bigger differences. Anyway if your quest for knowledge has not been satisfied by the existing stuff on the site let me know and I will send you a bunch of stuff, in 2002 (I think?) I did some major research between both units as KISS was originally going to be my first rebreather. A point to note - YBOD factory support is in this country and is very good, and you will encounted lots of YBOD divers on the boats, so in the field repairs are not too bad but KISS has a lot fewer failure points. Regards AnneMarie EDIT - another point, it is important to carefully examine the reasons behind changing to closed circuit and what exactly you want to do with a rebreather. This is critical to make the right choice of unit for you. If you know very little of CCR then potentially electronic control is the best way to start, however if you run an eCCR manually all the time you will quickly learn what your ppO2 and controller should be doing at all stages of the dive, this is important for manual rebreather diving. __________________ Attitude keeps you alive
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2nd May 2005, 14:31	#13 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,904	Quote: (Originally Posted by AnneMarie) it is important to carefully examine the reasons behind changing to closed circuit and what exactly you want to do with a rebreather. This is critical to make the right choice of unit for you. Agreed entirely and be VERY honest with yourself. If its just cos you want a new toy, then accept that. As long as you're aware of ALL the pro's and con's, any decision you take can be defended to yourself. Quote: (Originally Posted by AnneMarie) If you know very little of CCR then potentially electronic control is the best way to start, however if you run an eCCR manually all the time you will quickly learn what your ppO2 and controller should be doing at all stages of the dive, this is important for manual rebreather diving. I'd disagree here, if you know very little of CCR diving, then research/reading are your starting point. (Could even take the form of a course) Anyone diving ANY rebreather should be aware of how it works and its ideosynchrasies. This is what keeps you alive when it goes wrong. __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service Real diving t-shirts for real divers
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2nd May 2005, 14:33	#14 (permalink)
AM Highly amused!! Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Earth. Posts: 554	zak, research prior to starting would be something I would take for granted. I meant after all the research, then it may be best to use eCCR at the start, if you know little of real world diving with CCR, the idiosyncrasies of many units don't become apparent until real diving is conducted. Regards AM __________________ Attitude keeps you alive
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2nd May 2005, 15:57	#15 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,903	I'm not sure how many people splash out £4k+ without doing research first. I do wonder how many people keep it up after splashing it out... __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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2nd May 2005, 16:15	#16 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,904	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) I do wonder how many people keep it up after splashing it out... You'd have to have a childish sense of humour to comment on this one..... fortunately ..... __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service Real diving t-shirts for real divers
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3rd May 2005, 06:23	#17 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,419	Rebreather Books Quote: (Originally Posted by Diving Dude) So anyone fancy doing a dummies guide to rebreathers?? and when l say dummies l mean it, real easy to understand stuff. Aside from the before mentioned "Mastering Rebreathers" by Jeff Bozanic there are two other books on the subject: "A Simple Guide To Rebreathers" by Steve Barsky which is just that. Less in depth than Bozanic's Book, but it also reads less like a textbook (it's NAUI's textbook for Rebreather training and was conceived as such). It's out of print, but you should be able to find it on the net. "Tek Closed Circuit Rebreathers" by Tom Mount, David Sawatzky and Joerg Hess. It's a new book that I haven't read yet. It's available through Dive Rite Express, the link is usually at the bottom of this page. Judging by the contents listing on Dive Rite Express' website (plenty on CO2 and a chapter on CCR accidents) it should make a good read. They also sell Bozanic's book. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.'!"
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3rd May 2005, 06:40	#18 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 956	Hey Stefan, i have been searching for Steve Barsky's book for almost 2 year and i have yet to find it. So if you know anyone who wants to sell it I'd appreciate the information... /Jonny
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3rd May 2005, 07:06	#19 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,419	If I had known that it was going out of print I would have bought a bunch. They used to have them here in many dive stores, even non-Rebreather stores. Barsky lives in Santa Barbara, and wrote a bunch of books about local diving, so they're fairly popular. It's easy reading, but a few years older than Bozanic's, covers less detail. Nice to have if you're building up a library, but really very simple. I'm curious about the new book that Dive Rite Express has listed. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.'!"
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3rd May 2005, 07:20	#20 (permalink)
JonnyB Johnny The Hatch Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Titan Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other CCR Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sweden (Stockholm)/Cyprus(Ayia Napa) Posts: 956	I'll tell you all about it as soon as i get it /Jonny
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