Enough money for module 1 rebreather but not to buy rebreather..should i pick up??

lizardland · 3rd April 2006, 08:38

I'd say don't do it too for the same reasons given by everyone else who said it.

I'd also add that rebreather diving is an expensive hobby, it's more than just the unit/course costs. You don't just buy the unit and that's it, no more expense. I don't know where the money goes but you never really seem to own a rebreather, it feels like you rent the thing. Maintenance, consumables, add ons, upgrades, accessories, more diving, more trips, etc. Rebreather diving is not something to be done on the cheap and that pains me to say it because I am incredibly tight

Mdemon · 3rd April 2006, 14:14

Buy it.

Take it to bits, fiddle with it, play with it, learn it.

I'd be surprised if you don't find the cash for the course very soon afterwards.

Doing the course with no hope of getting a unit is pointless. The same is not true the other way round IMHO - if you don't like the unit, you can still sell it. Whether you dive it without a course or not is your business, but if you do then I'd hope you'd have read everything there is to read on rebreathers, spoken to everyone there is to speak to on rebreathers and do it in a shallow pool with half a dozen people ready to pull you out!

Ben Field · 3rd April 2006, 14:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

I'd also add that rebreather diving is an expensive hobby, it's more than just the unit/course costs. You don't just buy the unit and that's it, no more expense. I don't know where the money goes but you never really seem to own a rebreather, it feels like you rent the thing. Maintenance, consumables, add ons, upgrades, accessories, more diving, more trips, etc. Rebreather diving is not something to be done on the cheap and that pains me to say it because I am incredibly tight

I'll second that...

Your costings should NOT look like this-
Rebreather + Course = Diving Happiness

but like this-
Rebreather + Course + Assocaited course costs (petrol, consumables, boat fees/dive centre entry fees) + new spare parts kit + purchasing of bits you never thought you'd need + Constant PPO2 computer = the first few months floating around in quarries prayings its as good once you hit the sea!

On the other hand- it is all worth it!! (IMVVHO)

BEN

onetime · 3rd April 2006, 14:50

If you were to take a course when do you think you'd be able to afford an Rebreather? There are, of course, some used units around (especially earlier Inspos) which may help you get there faster. Of course there is also the SCR route (which I never thought I'd advocate) but in this case it may be a good fit. Less expensive units, less expensive training and you begin to get the feel for the changes from OC.

***EBT*** · 3rd April 2006, 17:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

Constant PPO2 computer

Not really necessary to be honest. Nice to have, Im sure, but I still dive without one.

Ben Field · 3rd April 2006, 17:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT)

Not really necessary to be honest. Nice to have, Im sure, but I still dive without one.

I know, I know... was just an example of the all consuming snowball of debt to which diving in general but CCR in particular can lead to...

BEN

RMalahowski · 4th April 2006, 00:30

I'd have to vote for "don't do the course" also - at least until you can afford the rebreather, or until you're reasonably close to being able to afford a rebreather. Otherwise, you'll probably just be suffering waiting until you can afford a unit and you'll have the added expense of the refresher course which will further delay the date.

If you really can't wait to try - find a shop that has a rebreather experience course. If you're a real salesman, you may be able to talk them down on a promise that if you do get a rebreather, you'll go through them for the training. This assumes of course that you have a shop that rents rebreathers reasonably close.

**Gill Envy** · 5th April 2006, 19:56

I think it's worth hitting up the relative, getting a house mate, applying for more credit or whatever it takes to to start out with the purchase that is right for you and not bother with the training until then. If you truly love diving, and their is any way to make it happen, it's not worth the wait. depending on the kind of diving you do, it will likely suit you well to get a used inspiration, they are $5500 usd with training around here. i'm starting training tomorrow on the evolution, so i speak as a newbie, but i would advise against taking a training course more than a month or two in advance of getting your unit and would highly recommend getting one and training on the actual one you will be diving, especially if it is going to be used so that you have someone who is experienced to look over your shoulder and make sure everthing is working properly and so that you can get back in the water to solidify motor memory and logic of skills shortly after the course is done.

Jason Blackwell · 5th April 2006, 21:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by nickywater)

Hi, i'm really really interested in learning rebreathers and i see it as an eventuality for me. I do hope to learn it asap but currently i'm at a dillema. I have sufficient money for module 1 rebreather course for evolution/vision inspiration but i will not have sufficient money for rebreathers..

Is it feasible for me to learn the course or should i just delay the plan till i can afford it in the future....which probably will be quite a couple of years time considering i'm studying now.

Please advise!!!

I thought it'd be good if i can spend month long hols volunteering to work at a rebreather training agency etc..but figured out not likely than any rebreather trainers need help from a novice.

Normally I would agree with almost everyone else and say wait. BUT in this case I say do the course!

You said Inspiration training? Right?

Why do it??? As a couple of others have eluded in their posts; there are some really good bargains of 2nd hand Inspirations around as current owners need cash to upgrade to their 2nd unit. (Whether Vision or another brand)

Why do it??? This will give you REAL (but limited) time on the unit, so will have a better understanding of all of the posts you read here on Rebreather World.

Why do it??? If you purchased a unit in the distant future, then organize a “refresher” (if it was an Inspiration) or some type of cross over if you decided by the time you saved your $$$ (and by reading Rebreather World) that you wanted a different unit.

Why do it??? You could hire units while on holidays

Why do it??? OR to help out at a Rebreather training centre as you said. You are useless if you haven’t done a course.

Why do it??? In some places in the world (like here in Qld, Australia) being qualified as a DM or higher AND on a rebreather means you can be a Rebreather Dive Supervisor.

Just my 2 (insert your favourite currency here) worth.

Why don’t do it?

You WILL go into debt to buy one after the course

3rd April 2006, 08:38	#11 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,312	Re: Enough money for module 1 rebreather but not to buy rebreather..should i pick up?? I'd say don't do it too for the same reasons given by everyone else who said it. I'd also add that rebreather diving is an expensive hobby, it's more than just the unit/course costs. You don't just buy the unit and that's it, no more expense. I don't know where the money goes but you never really seem to own a rebreather, it feels like you rent the thing. Maintenance, consumables, add ons, upgrades, accessories, more diving, more trips, etc. Rebreather diving is not something to be done on the cheap and that pains me to say it because I am incredibly tight __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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3rd April 2006, 14:14	#12 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,932	Re: Enough money for module 1 rebreather but not to buy rebreather..should i pick up?? Buy it. Take it to bits, fiddle with it, play with it, learn it. I'd be surprised if you don't find the cash for the course very soon afterwards. Doing the course with no hope of getting a unit is pointless. The same is not true the other way round IMHO - if you don't like the unit, you can still sell it. Whether you dive it without a course or not is your business, but if you do then I'd hope you'd have read everything there is to read on rebreathers, spoken to everyone there is to speak to on rebreathers and do it in a shallow pool with half a dozen people ready to pull you out! __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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3rd April 2006, 14:42	#13 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,631	Re: Enough money for module 1 rebreather but not to buy rebreather..should i pick up?? Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) I'd also add that rebreather diving is an expensive hobby, it's more than just the unit/course costs. You don't just buy the unit and that's it, no more expense. I don't know where the money goes but you never really seem to own a rebreather, it feels like you rent the thing. Maintenance, consumables, add ons, upgrades, accessories, more diving, more trips, etc. Rebreather diving is not something to be done on the cheap and that pains me to say it because I am incredibly tight I'll second that... Your costings should NOT look like this- Rebreather + Course = Diving Happiness but like this- Rebreather + Course + Assocaited course costs (petrol, consumables, boat fees/dive centre entry fees) + new spare parts kit + purchasing of bits you never thought you'd need + Constant PPO2 computer = the first few months floating around in quarries prayings its as good once you hit the sea! On the other hand- it is all worth it!! (IMVVHO) BEN __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer and RTFM! Beware Fridge Suck! www.hugsac.org.uk
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3rd April 2006, 14:50	#14 (permalink)
onetime Classic KISSer #138 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: US, NJ Posts: 674	Re: Enough money for module 1 rebreather but not to buy rebreather..should i pick up?? If you were to take a course when do you think you'd be able to afford an Rebreather? There are, of course, some used units around (especially earlier Inspos) which may help you get there faster. Of course there is also the SCR route (which I never thought I'd advocate) but in this case it may be a good fit. Less expensive units, less expensive training and you begin to get the feel for the changes from OC.
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3rd April 2006, 17:09	#15 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,978	Re: Enough money for module 1 rebreather but not to buy rebreather..should i pick up?? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) Constant PPO2 computer Not really necessary to be honest. Nice to have, Im sure, but I still dive without one. __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service
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3rd April 2006, 17:16	#16 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,631	Re: Enough money for module 1 rebreather but not to buy rebreather..should i pick up?? Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT) Not really necessary to be honest. Nice to have, Im sure, but I still dive without one. I know, I know... was just an example of the all consuming snowball of debt to which diving in general but CCR in particular can lead to... BEN __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer and RTFM! Beware Fridge Suck! www.hugsac.org.uk
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4th April 2006, 00:30	#17 (permalink)
RMalahowski New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California Posts: 18	Re: Enough money for module 1 rebreather but not to buy rebreather..should i pick up?? I'd have to vote for "don't do the course" also - at least until you can afford the rebreather, or until you're reasonably close to being able to afford a rebreather. Otherwise, you'll probably just be suffering waiting until you can afford a unit and you'll have the added expense of the refresher course which will further delay the date. If you really can't wait to try - find a shop that has a rebreather experience course. If you're a real salesman, you may be able to talk them down on a promise that if you do get a rebreather, you'll go through them for the training. This assumes of course that you have a shop that rents rebreathers reasonably close. __________________ Bob M.
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5th April 2006, 19:56	#18 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,319	Re: Enough money for module 1 rebreather but not to buy rebreather..should i pick up?? I think it's worth hitting up the relative, getting a house mate, applying for more credit or whatever it takes to to start out with the purchase that is right for you and not bother with the training until then. If you truly love diving, and their is any way to make it happen, it's not worth the wait. depending on the kind of diving you do, it will likely suit you well to get a used inspiration, they are $5500 usd with training around here. i'm starting training tomorrow on the evolution, so i speak as a newbie, but i would advise against taking a training course more than a month or two in advance of getting your unit and would highly recommend getting one and training on the actual one you will be diving, especially if it is going to be used so that you have someone who is experienced to look over your shoulder and make sure everthing is working properly and so that you can get back in the water to solidify motor memory and logic of skills shortly after the course is done. __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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5th April 2006, 21:55	#19 (permalink)
Jason Blackwell Bloody Rebreathers! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima Dolphin Ray Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland, AUSTRALIA Posts: 361	Re: Enough money for module 1 rebreather but not to buy rebreather..should i pick up?? Quote: (Originally Posted by nickywater) Hi, i'm really really interested in learning rebreathers and i see it as an eventuality for me. I do hope to learn it asap but currently i'm at a dillema. I have sufficient money for module 1 rebreather course for evolution/vision inspiration but i will not have sufficient money for rebreathers.. Is it feasible for me to learn the course or should i just delay the plan till i can afford it in the future....which probably will be quite a couple of years time considering i'm studying now. Please advise!!! I thought it'd be good if i can spend month long hols volunteering to work at a rebreather training agency etc..but figured out not likely than any rebreather trainers need help from a novice. Normally I would agree with almost everyone else and say wait. BUT in this case I say do the course! You said Inspiration training? Right? Why do it??? As a couple of others have eluded in their posts; there are some really good bargains of 2nd hand Inspirations around as current owners need cash to upgrade to their 2nd unit. (Whether Vision or another brand) Why do it??? This will give you REAL (but limited) time on the unit, so will have a better understanding of all of the posts you read here on Rebreather World. Why do it??? If you purchased a unit in the distant future, then organize a “refresher” (if it was an Inspiration) or some type of cross over if you decided by the time you saved your $$$ (and by reading Rebreather World) that you wanted a different unit. Why do it??? You could hire units while on holidays Why do it??? OR to help out at a Rebreather training centre as you said. You are useless if you haven’t done a course. Why do it??? In some places in the world (like here in Qld, Australia) being qualified as a DM or higher AND on a rebreather means you can be a Rebreather Dive Supervisor. Just my 2 (insert your favourite currency here) worth. Why don’t do it? You WILL go into debt to buy one after the course __________________ Jason Blackwell TDI Instructor Trainer #1358 Optima...Inspiration/Evolution...KISS...and what is next??? www.divedivedive.com.au OZTeK '09 March 2009 Sydney, Australia www.diveoztek.com.au
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