Drager Disinfectant

magentaseas · 7th March 2006, 13:48

Hi peeps

Ive read in previous posts about using Virkon for disinfecting rebreathers and what shouldnt be used...

Is it ok to use stuff such as Milton Fluid or similar own brand versians?
For those that dont know Milton Fluid is used for cleaning babies bottles etc.

cheers

sharon

AMW · 7th March 2006, 13:53

I use Miltons fluid on my unit, some people do not like it as it is sodium hypochlorite based and this could damage the plastics in the Rebreather.
Andrew.

**nigelh** · 7th March 2006, 14:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by magentaseas)

Ive read in previous posts about using Virkon for disinfecting rebreathers and what shouldnt be used...
Is it ok to use stuff such as Milton Fluid or similar own brand versians?
For those that dont know Milton Fluid is used for cleaning babies bottles etc.

Milton has a reputation for hardening plastics and making them brittle.
I use Trigene on my YBOD.

It doesn't score at the top of the list kiling things list but it doesn't damage things.

Donald · 7th March 2006, 16:50

Hello Sharon,
There are a number of other sanitizing agents available such as:

1, Wescodyne. (A military favourite)
2, SaniZide Plus.(Considered the best all around disinfecting agent and one
we suggest for the Compact Oxy)
3, Bi-arrest 2.

Virkon and Milton Fluid is something new to me, however as my daughter is
more then 25 years old I do not think that it was about during my daughters infancy. If you want further information on the above please feel free to
contact me.

best regards,
Don Watson.

Quote: (Originally Posted by magentaseas)

Hi peeps

Ive read in previous posts about using Virkon for disinfecting rebreathers and what shouldnt be used...

Is it ok to use stuff such as Milton Fluid or similar own brand versians?
For those that dont know Milton Fluid is used for cleaning babies bottles etc.

cheers

sharon

***jradomski*** · 7th March 2006, 17:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Donald)

Hello Sharon,
There are a number of other sanitizing agents available such as:

1, Wescodyne. (A military favourite)
2, SaniZide Plus.(Considered the best all around disinfecting agent and one
we suggest for the Compact Oxy)
3, Bi-arrest 2.

Virkon and Milton Fluid is something new to me, however as my daughter is
more then 25 years old I do not think that it was about during my daughters infancy. If you want further information on the above please feel free to
contact me.

best regards,
Don Watson.

Don,
Actually these days Virkon is considered by far the best sanitizing agent around.. Its non toxic and has the highest range of bacteria/virus ect that it can kill..

It was originally an agriculture product, but is now available (officially) for human use..

from th CDF report
"

The products Sanizide Plus, Confidence Plus and Advance TBE have been suggested as safe for use under hyperbaric conditions [5], however, Quaternary Ammonium Compounds (QAC’s) do not meet the efficacy requirements for open water diving and CUMA/CCDA use as they are ineffective against non-enveloped viruses [26, 35] and QAC’s are known to be easily inactivated by detergents, organic matter and hard water [26, 40]."

The product Bi-Arrest 2 was also suggested as safe for hyperbaric conditions [5], however, the Phenolic component in Bi-Arrest 2 is considered a possible carcinogen [75] and consequently, human health may be at risk when dealing with this product. This product is also ineffective against non-enveloped viruses [26] and thus it does not meet the efficacy requirement for CUMA/CCDA use.

Virkon S

is considered a very efficient and effective broad spectrum disinfectant, proving its bactericidal, virucidal (against enveloped and non-enveloped viruses), fungicidal and tuberculocidal capabilities through multiple studies [23-25, 27-30, 61-71]. Virkon S is

considered a non-irritant at its working concentration of 1% [17, 18, 60], there are no acute effects to inhalation [20], exposure to product components are not associated with a risk of occupational asthma [19] and exposure has not resulted in toxic effects to animals [28]. The product has no vapour phase and is not inactivated by detergents or hard water [26], and if the product is used as prescribed with the preventive preparation precautions there are no significant health risks.

magentaseas · 8th March 2006, 14:13

Many thanks for the replies and info.
I think i might change to Virkon especially as its available in tablet form which is dead handy.

cheers
Sharon

Toren · 8th March 2006, 17:26

After you mix it up it's good for at least 7 days, too, which is quite handy.
I mix up a gallon inside a dry bag, dump in the bits, and agitate well. Let it sit for 10 minutes then drain, rinse, and dry. The dry bag is sealed up and I'm good to go for the next day.
Careful when measuring out the power form, inhaling the dust can be quite harmful. Treat it like the dust from sorb.
I also use the veterinary form, Virkon S, since my cousin the veterinary pharmaceuticals rep assures me it's the same chemical as the human version, just significantly cheaper.

Donald · 9th March 2006, 16:36

Hello Joe,
Thank you for the information, I will certainly check Virkon for use with
our Compact Oxy instead of Sanizide.
I have read a few US Navy reports which were not encouraging to say the least regarding Sanizide and effects on equipment.

best regards,
Don Watson.

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

Don,
Actually these days Virkon is considered by far the best sanitizing agent around.. Its non toxic and has the highest range of bacteria/virus ect that it can kill..

It was originally an agriculture product, but is now available (officially) for human use..

from th CDF report
"

The products Sanizide Plus, Confidence Plus and Advance TBE have been suggested as safe for use under hyperbaric conditions [5], however, Quaternary Ammonium Compounds (QAC’s) do not meet the efficacy requirements for open water diving and CUMA/CCDA use as they are ineffective against non-enveloped viruses [26, 35] and QAC’s are known to be easily inactivated by detergents, organic matter and hard water [26, 40]."

The product Bi-Arrest 2 was also suggested as safe for hyperbaric conditions [5], however, the Phenolic component in Bi-Arrest 2 is considered a possible carcinogen [75] and consequently, human health may be at risk when dealing with this product. This product is also ineffective against non-enveloped viruses [26] and thus it does not meet the efficacy requirement for CUMA/CCDA use.

Virkon S

is considered a very efficient and effective broad spectrum disinfectant, proving its bactericidal, virucidal (against enveloped and non-enveloped viruses), fungicidal and tuberculocidal capabilities through multiple studies [23-25, 27-30, 61-71]. Virkon S is

considered a non-irritant at its working concentration of 1% [17, 18, 60], there are no acute effects to inhalation [20], exposure to product components are not associated with a risk of occupational asthma [19] and exposure has not resulted in toxic effects to animals [28]. The product has no vapour phase and is not inactivated by detergents or hard water [26], and if the product is used as prescribed with the preventive preparation precautions there are no significant health risks.

magentaseas · 10th March 2006, 10:09

[quote=Toren]After you mix it up it's good for at least 7 days, too, which is quite handy.
I mix up a gallon inside a dry bag, dump in the bits, and agitate well. Let it sit for 10 minutes then drain, rinse, and dry. The dry bag is sealed up and I'm good to go for the next day.

I love the dry bag idea, brilliant!

sharon

7th March 2006, 13:48	#1 (permalink)
magentaseas New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: London Posts: 56	Drager Disinfectant Hi peeps Ive read in previous posts about using Virkon for disinfecting rebreathers and what shouldnt be used... Is it ok to use stuff such as Milton Fluid or similar own brand versians? For those that dont know Milton Fluid is used for cleaning babies bottles etc. cheers sharon
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7th March 2006, 13:53	#2 (permalink)
AMW Technical caver Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cam ,Glos, England Posts: 171	Re: Drager Disinfectant I use Miltons fluid on my unit, some people do not like it as it is sodium hypochlorite based and this could damage the plastics in the Rebreather. Andrew. __________________ AMW Blog (very poor effort :-) http://a-m-ward.blogspot.com/ http://amward.myblogsite.com/ Lot ,France cave diving sites and area resources. www.lot46.com Caving and cave diving photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/amward/
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7th March 2006, 14:09	#3 (permalink)
nigelh New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, Sussex, UK Posts: 824	Re: Drager Disinfectant Quote: (Originally Posted by magentaseas) Ive read in previous posts about using Virkon for disinfecting rebreathers and what shouldnt be used... Is it ok to use stuff such as Milton Fluid or similar own brand versians? For those that dont know Milton Fluid is used for cleaning babies bottles etc. Milton has a reputation for hardening plastics and making them brittle. I use Trigene on my YBOD. It doesn't score at the top of the list kiling things list but it doesn't damage things. __________________ nigelh
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7th March 2006, 16:50	#4 (permalink)
Donald New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Israel Posts: 6	Re: Drager Disinfectant Hello Sharon, There are a number of other sanitizing agents available such as: 1, Wescodyne. (A military favourite) 2, SaniZide Plus.(Considered the best all around disinfecting agent and one we suggest for the Compact Oxy) 3, Bi-arrest 2. Virkon and Milton Fluid is something new to me, however as my daughter is more then 25 years old I do not think that it was about during my daughters infancy. If you want further information on the above please feel free to contact me. best regards, Don Watson. Quote: (Originally Posted by magentaseas) Hi peeps Ive read in previous posts about using Virkon for disinfecting rebreathers and what shouldnt be used... Is it ok to use stuff such as Milton Fluid or similar own brand versians? For those that dont know Milton Fluid is used for cleaning babies bottles etc. cheers sharon
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7th March 2006, 17:30	#5 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,896	Re: Drager Disinfectant Quote: (Originally Posted by Donald) Hello Sharon, There are a number of other sanitizing agents available such as: 1, Wescodyne. (A military favourite) 2, SaniZide Plus.(Considered the best all around disinfecting agent and one we suggest for the Compact Oxy) 3, Bi-arrest 2. Virkon and Milton Fluid is something new to me, however as my daughter is more then 25 years old I do not think that it was about during my daughters infancy. If you want further information on the above please feel free to contact me. best regards, Don Watson. Don, Actually these days Virkon is considered by far the best sanitizing agent around.. Its non toxic and has the highest range of bacteria/virus ect that it can kill.. It was originally an agriculture product, but is now available (officially) for human use.. from th CDF report " The products Sanizide Plus, Confidence Plus and Advance TBE have been suggested as safe for use under hyperbaric conditions [5], however, Quaternary Ammonium Compounds (QAC’s) do not meet the efficacy requirements for open water diving and CUMA/CCDA use as they are ineffective against non-enveloped viruses [26, 35] and QAC’s are known to be easily inactivated by detergents, organic matter and hard water [26, 40]." The product Bi-Arrest 2 was also suggested as safe for hyperbaric conditions [5], however, the Phenolic component in Bi-Arrest 2 is considered a possible carcinogen [75] and consequently, human health may be at risk when dealing with this product. This product is also ineffective against non-enveloped viruses [26] and thus it does not meet the efficacy requirement for CUMA/CCDA use. Virkon S is considered a very efficient and effective broad spectrum disinfectant, proving its bactericidal, virucidal (against enveloped and non-enveloped viruses), fungicidal and tuberculocidal capabilities through multiple studies [23-25, 27-30, 61-71]. Virkon S is considered a non-irritant at its working concentration of 1% [17, 18, 60], there are no acute effects to inhalation [20], exposure to product components are not associated with a risk of occupational asthma [19] and exposure has not resulted in toxic effects to animals [28]. The product has no vapour phase and is not inactivated by detergents or hard water [26], and if the product is used as prescribed with the preventive preparation precautions there are no significant health risks. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 7th March 2006 at 17:44.
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8th March 2006, 14:13	#6 (permalink)
magentaseas New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: London Posts: 56	Re: Drager Disinfectant Many thanks for the replies and info. I think i might change to Virkon especially as its available in tablet form which is dead handy. cheers Sharon
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8th March 2006, 17:26	#7 (permalink)
Toren In Rebreather holding pattern... Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SF, CA Posts: 114	Re: Drager Disinfectant After you mix it up it's good for at least 7 days, too, which is quite handy. I mix up a gallon inside a dry bag, dump in the bits, and agitate well. Let it sit for 10 minutes then drain, rinse, and dry. The dry bag is sealed up and I'm good to go for the next day. Careful when measuring out the power form, inhaling the dust can be quite harmful. Treat it like the dust from sorb. I also use the veterinary form, Virkon S, since my cousin the veterinary pharmaceuticals rep assures me it's the same chemical as the human version, just significantly cheaper. __________________ ------ "Sh*t does happen, it is our job to keep it a minor annoyance by training, proper gear configuration, emergency skills practice and a survival mindset." --Ron Micjan
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9th March 2006, 16:36	#8 (permalink)
Donald New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Israel Posts: 6	Re: Drager Disinfectant Hello Joe, Thank you for the information, I will certainly check Virkon for use with our Compact Oxy instead of Sanizide. I have read a few US Navy reports which were not encouraging to say the least regarding Sanizide and effects on equipment. best regards, Don Watson. Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) Don, Actually these days Virkon is considered by far the best sanitizing agent around.. Its non toxic and has the highest range of bacteria/virus ect that it can kill.. It was originally an agriculture product, but is now available (officially) for human use.. from th CDF report " The products Sanizide Plus, Confidence Plus and Advance TBE have been suggested as safe for use under hyperbaric conditions [5], however, Quaternary Ammonium Compounds (QAC’s) do not meet the efficacy requirements for open water diving and CUMA/CCDA use as they are ineffective against non-enveloped viruses [26, 35] and QAC’s are known to be easily inactivated by detergents, organic matter and hard water [26, 40]." The product Bi-Arrest 2 was also suggested as safe for hyperbaric conditions [5], however, the Phenolic component in Bi-Arrest 2 is considered a possible carcinogen [75] and consequently, human health may be at risk when dealing with this product. This product is also ineffective against non-enveloped viruses [26] and thus it does not meet the efficacy requirement for CUMA/CCDA use. Virkon S is considered a very efficient and effective broad spectrum disinfectant, proving its bactericidal, virucidal (against enveloped and non-enveloped viruses), fungicidal and tuberculocidal capabilities through multiple studies [23-25, 27-30, 61-71]. Virkon S is considered a non-irritant at its working concentration of 1% [17, 18, 60], there are no acute effects to inhalation [20], exposure to product components are not associated with a risk of occupational asthma [19] and exposure has not resulted in toxic effects to animals [28]. The product has no vapour phase and is not inactivated by detergents or hard water [26], and if the product is used as prescribed with the preventive preparation precautions there are no significant health risks.
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10th March 2006, 10:09	#9 (permalink)
magentaseas New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: London Posts: 56	Re: Drager Disinfectant [quote=Toren]After you mix it up it's good for at least 7 days, too, which is quite handy. I mix up a gallon inside a dry bag, dump in the bits, and agitate well. Let it sit for 10 minutes then drain, rinse, and dry. The dry bag is sealed up and I'm good to go for the next day. I love the dry bag idea, brilliant! sharon
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