OT: rebreather mask for emergencies

tompoe · 11th February 2006, 01:56

I'm interested in what you folks think might be a good rebreather mask for emergencies like the 9/11 tragedy. Recommendations? Price range considerations? Any help appreciated.

***caveseeker7*** · 11th February 2006, 02:58

A rebreather mask?

You mean a full face mask for use with a surface rebreather?
Have a look at Rebreathers Worldwide, the Oxygen Rebreather Database.

There you will find many rebreathers used for mine rescue and emergency services. Some of the scuba manufacturers like Dräger manufacture non diving rebreathers, others are build by companies that only make non-diving equipment. Most rescue personel uses full face masks, and manufacturers are frequently the same as the ones catering to the scuba market. Afaik several popular models used for diving are adapted or based on designs for surface use (Dräger (draegersafety.com I believe) and Interspiro come to mind).

You can also try and google "MRA", "mine rescue aparatus" and such.

Good luck.

Nick uk. · 11th February 2006, 08:27

Just recently on e-Bay an AGA full face mask and corbon fiber tank with harness ex-firebregade i think, sold for about 50 GBP. Every no and agian you can find these items without too much trouble.

Royal Red · 21st February 2006, 02:17

Tough question to answer.

If you want protection just from air-bourne contaminates you would have to know in advance what contaminates you are trying to filter out if you want a simple facepiece with filter cartridges. Cartridges are certified for specific contaminates and no one unit will work for everything.

If you want supplied breathing atmosphere you can achieve a 4-hour maximum duration with a closed-circuit rebreather. These devices are only meant for the highly trained user and are not suitable for the "Every day Joe". You might find reluctance by any manufacturer of such units to even sell one to you. List prices for such devices can run from $3000-$15,000.

Open-Circuit devices (Such as what fire fighters utilize) will supply a 30-60 minute duration and do not require the high level of user training. However one must ask the question of what is 60-minutes of air supply going to do for you? Can you get away from the perceived threat in that amount of time?

There is really no simple solution to this issue for the general public. Would suggest that if something does in your area to simply get out there as quickly as possible.

lizardland · 21st February 2006, 15:57

Biopak's come up for sale every now and again on ebay. The model number refers to the endurance e.g. BP45 is a 45min unit, BP240 (rarer to see) is 4hrs. Some come with a gas cooling system for hot environments and have a full face mask as standard.

Do you have a genuine reason to be worried about needing one? Most rebreathers need a certain amount of preparation/maintenance. If you work in a high risk environment then I'd presume that adequate breathing equipment and training was being provided by your employer.

Digger · 21st February 2006, 16:36

I have a Siebe Gorman FFM for use on land, I think it's ex fire brigade equipment, I got it for about £50 I think, if anyone's interested it's yours for a sensible price. Comes with 232 bar DIN fitting and cylinder valve with pressure gauge.

Digs.

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11th February 2006, 02:58	#2 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,287	Re: OT: rebreather mask for emergencies A rebreather mask? You mean a full face mask for use with a surface rebreather? Have a look at Rebreathers Worldwide, the Oxygen Rebreather Database. There you will find many rebreathers used for mine rescue and emergency services. Some of the scuba manufacturers like Dräger manufacture non diving rebreathers, others are build by companies that only make non-diving equipment. Most rescue personel uses full face masks, and manufacturers are frequently the same as the ones catering to the scuba market. Afaik several popular models used for diving are adapted or based on designs for surface use (Dräger (draegersafety.com I believe) and Interspiro come to mind). You can also try and google "MRA", "mine rescue aparatus" and such. Good luck. __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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11th February 2006, 08:27	#3 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 579	Re: OT: rebreather mask for emergencies Just recently on e-Bay an AGA full face mask and corbon fiber tank with harness ex-firebregade i think, sold for about 50 GBP. Every no and agian you can find these items without too much trouble. __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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21st February 2006, 02:17	#4 (permalink)
Royal Red New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 8	Re: OT: rebreather mask for emergencies Tough question to answer. If you want protection just from air-bourne contaminates you would have to know in advance what contaminates you are trying to filter out if you want a simple facepiece with filter cartridges. Cartridges are certified for specific contaminates and no one unit will work for everything. If you want supplied breathing atmosphere you can achieve a 4-hour maximum duration with a closed-circuit rebreather. These devices are only meant for the highly trained user and are not suitable for the "Every day Joe". You might find reluctance by any manufacturer of such units to even sell one to you. List prices for such devices can run from $3000-$15,000. Open-Circuit devices (Such as what fire fighters utilize) will supply a 30-60 minute duration and do not require the high level of user training. However one must ask the question of what is 60-minutes of air supply going to do for you? Can you get away from the perceived threat in that amount of time? There is really no simple solution to this issue for the general public. Would suggest that if something does in your area to simply get out there as quickly as possible.
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lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Ray Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,148	Re: OT: rebreather mask for emergencies Biopak's come up for sale every now and again on ebay. The model number refers to the endurance e.g. BP45 is a 45min unit, BP240 (rarer to see) is 4hrs. Some come with a gas cooling system for hot environments and have a full face mask as standard. Do you have a genuine reason to be worried about needing one? Most rebreathers need a certain amount of preparation/maintenance. If you work in a high risk environment then I'd presume that adequate breathing equipment and training was being provided by your employer. __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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Digger Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Midlands UK Posts: 204	Re: OT: rebreather mask for emergencies I have a Siebe Gorman FFM for use on land, I think it's ex fire brigade equipment, I got it for about £50 I think, if anyone's interested it's yours for a sensible price. Comes with 232 bar DIN fitting and cylinder valve with pressure gauge. Digs.
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