HUD's

Nick uk. · 11th December 2005, 15:23

Speaking for a buddy inspiration.

If one wanted a heads up display on an inspiration, choosing a vision upgrade, would you not keep the warranty of the machine and the CE certificate, if so why do so many people appear to be choosing other makes/models, thereby voiding the warranty on their machines?

***caveseeker7*** · 11th December 2005, 19:10

I can only guess ...
- Vision upgrade is quite expensive
- Vision upgrade not easily available
- unit's already out of warranty
- any change (like replacing Auto Air) voids CE ...

- different electronics layout (like HH, 1 controller & 1 monitor) preferred

Mark Chase · 11th December 2005, 21:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.)

Speaking for a buddy inspiration.

If one wanted a heads up display on an inspiration, choosing a vision upgrade, would you not keep the warranty of the machine and the CE certificate, if so why do so many people appear to be choosing other makes/models, thereby voiding the warranty on their machines?

The Warranty is non transferable and only lasts 12months and i am more worried about staying alive than meeting European regulations

Vision upgrade £2900 and they havent realy got it working yet
Hammer Head £1650 and aparently they have
Uri HUD £ 750 Not exaxtly problem free but simple to fix

ATB

Mark Chase

Nick uk. · 11th December 2005, 21:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

The Warranty is non transferable and only lasts 12months and i am more worried about staying alive than meeting European regulations

Vision upgrade £2900 and they havent realy got it working yet
Hammer Head £1650 and aparently they have
Uri HUD £ 750 Not exaxtly problem free but simple to fix

ATB

Mark Chase

Ok, this is quite a convincing argument!

What do you mean by the vision eletronics not 'working' yet? any specific problems?

paulraymaekers · 12th December 2005, 06:56

just two more months, and they're on the market: the rEvodream :-)

two cell gauge/hud, backlight, switch-free, auto-callibration, changeble 'green-zone', 150m, auto-off, ...

complete soft-ware settable: one or two cell's, backlight continues or 15 sec after you tap on the unit, yes or no auto-off (15 min with PPO2< 0.5), green-zone between 1.25 and 1.40 or 0.95/1.10, leds on/off (to save batterie)

pictures of the prototypes beiing used at the moment: in the serie-model, the LCD is located in the middle :-)

http://www.fr.smartgroups.com/pictur...lbumID=5905817

endprice: 380 euro plus taxes/transport

the unit is meanth as O2 gauge for a mCCR, together with a second measuring device, as computer with cell or other gauge.
It can also be used as hud on an existing eCCR, I would in that case only use one cell, keeping two other cells non-touched, suppose a complete cable-cut of the added unit, it would not interfere with the working of the basic unit. Monitoring one cell by means of a HUD on a eCCR with voting logic gives you a far higher protection, (just analyse all possible failures, and the 'likelyhoud' of each)

I'll keep you informed

paul

Mark Chase · 12th December 2005, 09:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.)

What do you mean by the vision electronics not 'working' yet? any specific problems?

Just search around on here and you will find them. In out group we have two classics and 6 Visions. I have seen most of the failures people are experiencing on the Vision/Evo first hand. On one famous dive we had so many missed deco alarms going off at the same time no one could tell which units were failing. The bloom on the hand set

prevented reading that as errrrrr we were still on the boat and hadn't even done the dive yet. Turned out all 6 Visions had failed together.

There have been numerous software upgrades to fix the problems but still more problems keep cropping up. I am sure they will sort it but it remains to be seen how long that will take.

To be fair I have herd about problems with other Deco system ECCRs as well on units like the Shearwater Electronics on the Meg so this new type of unit does appear to have teething troubles. The meg problems were confirmed by two of the team I will be diving with next year who both got SWMegs late last year. Apparently they were sorted and they have been offered a free upgrade to the Apex2 when it comes out so pretty good service from the supplier.

ATB

Mark Chase

decoweenie · 12th December 2005, 10:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

Turned out all 6 Visions had failed together.

Mark,

Could you elaborate more about the specifics of these failures ?

Were the 6 Evo units on Nitrox or Trimix software ?

This is news to me since I only aware of the time-keeping issue with the Nitrox software.

ccscuba · 13th December 2005, 20:29

No software problems on ouroboros.
Interestingly, just read the review of Nick's CIS by Ron Micjan - very good article. I dive with Nick and Mark, who both dive CIS and a lot of the features on the CIS are present in Boris - which you'd expect, I guess, given the amount of time that Kevin spent with Bill Stone and the mark iv/v design.
Still some really good stuff on the CIS which is just not available any more, mostly the hydrophobic can and the gas block, but I think Boris is pretty close.
I've got an 80% finished review/contrast with inspo on my pc, if anyone's interested I could finish it off and ask one of the administrators to post it.

Martin

***caveseeker7*** · 13th December 2005, 21:56

Martin, thanks for the offer. I certainly am intrested, I'm sure others are.
The Inspiration is a well known entity, the Ouroboros much less so.
For publication best contact louby-lou who administers the library.

***Louby Lou*** · 13th December 2005, 22:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Martin, thanks for the offer. I certainly am intrested, I'm sure others are.
The Inspiration is a well known entity, the Ouroboros much less so.
For publication best contact louby-lou who administers the library.

And if by magic, I appear......

Thanks Stefan

Martin

We would love to publish your article in the library section of Rebreather World. I am in the process of uploading and formatting the articles from the old site but would really like to put your article up as soon as; if you would like us too?

Just drop me a PM and I'll let you know my email address and what is the best way to send it etc...

Thanks

Lou

PS: Sorry for the thread hi-jack

11th December 2005, 15:23	#1 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 579	HUD's Speaking for a buddy inspiration. If one wanted a heads up display on an inspiration, choosing a vision upgrade, would you not keep the warranty of the machine and the CE certificate, if so why do so many people appear to be choosing other makes/models, thereby voiding the warranty on their machines? __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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11th December 2005, 19:10	#2 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,281	Re: HUD's I can only guess ... - Vision upgrade is quite expensive - Vision upgrade not easily available - unit's already out of warranty - any change (like replacing Auto Air) voids CE ... - different electronics layout (like HH, 1 controller & 1 monitor) preferred __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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11th December 2005, 21:32	#3 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,410	Re: HUD's Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.) Speaking for a buddy inspiration. If one wanted a heads up display on an inspiration, choosing a vision upgrade, would you not keep the warranty of the machine and the CE certificate, if so why do so many people appear to be choosing other makes/models, thereby voiding the warranty on their machines? The Warranty is non transferable and only lasts 12months and i am more worried about staying alive than meeting European regulations Vision upgrade £2900 and they havent realy got it working yet Hammer Head £1650 and aparently they have Uri HUD £ 750 Not exaxtly problem free but simple to fix ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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11th December 2005, 21:53	#4 (permalink)
Nick uk. Made in England. Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Azimuth Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Viale C.Colombo 75 Marina di Carrara. MS 54036 Italy Posts: 579	Re: HUD's Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) The Warranty is non transferable and only lasts 12months and i am more worried about staying alive than meeting European regulations Vision upgrade £2900 and they havent realy got it working yet Hammer Head £1650 and aparently they have Uri HUD £ 750 Not exaxtly problem free but simple to fix ATB Mark Chase Ok, this is quite a convincing argument! What do you mean by the vision eletronics not 'working' yet? any specific problems? __________________ If it aint broke....don't fix it, and if it is.............well......get another one! divechief2000@hotmail.com
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12th December 2005, 06:56	#5 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,344	Re: HUD's just two more months, and they're on the market: the rEvodream :-) two cell gauge/hud, backlight, switch-free, auto-callibration, changeble 'green-zone', 150m, auto-off, ... complete soft-ware settable: one or two cell's, backlight continues or 15 sec after you tap on the unit, yes or no auto-off (15 min with PPO2< 0.5), green-zone between 1.25 and 1.40 or 0.95/1.10, leds on/off (to save batterie) pictures of the prototypes beiing used at the moment: in the serie-model, the LCD is located in the middle :-) http://www.fr.smartgroups.com/pictur...lbumID=5905817 endprice: 380 euro plus taxes/transport the unit is meanth as O2 gauge for a mCCR, together with a second measuring device, as computer with cell or other gauge. It can also be used as hud on an existing eCCR, I would in that case only use one cell, keeping two other cells non-touched, suppose a complete cable-cut of the added unit, it would not interfere with the working of the basic unit. Monitoring one cell by means of a HUD on a eCCR with voting logic gives you a far higher protection, (just analyse all possible failures, and the 'likelyhoud' of each) I'll keep you informed paul Last edited by paulraymaekers : 12th December 2005 at 07:05.
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12th December 2005, 09:43	#6 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,410	Re: HUD's Quote: (Originally Posted by Nick uk.) What do you mean by the vision electronics not 'working' yet? any specific problems? Just search around on here and you will find them. In out group we have two classics and 6 Visions. I have seen most of the failures people are experiencing on the Vision/Evo first hand. On one famous dive we had so many missed deco alarms going off at the same time no one could tell which units were failing. The bloom on the hand set prevented reading that as errrrrr we were still on the boat and hadn't even done the dive yet. Turned out all 6 Visions had failed together. There have been numerous software upgrades to fix the problems but still more problems keep cropping up. I am sure they will sort it but it remains to be seen how long that will take. To be fair I have herd about problems with other Deco system ECCRs as well on units like the Shearwater Electronics on the Meg so this new type of unit does appear to have teething troubles. The meg problems were confirmed by two of the team I will be diving with next year who both got SWMegs late last year. Apparently they were sorted and they have been offered a free upgrade to the Apex2 when it comes out so pretty good service from the supplier. ATB Mark Chase __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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12th December 2005, 10:16	#7 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,509	Re: HUD's Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) Turned out all 6 Visions had failed together. Mark, Could you elaborate more about the specifics of these failures ? Were the 6 Evo units on Nitrox or Trimix software ? This is news to me since I only aware of the time-keeping issue with the Nitrox software. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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13th December 2005, 20:29	#8 (permalink)
ccscuba New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: England Posts: 70	Re: HUD's No software problems on ouroboros. Interestingly, just read the review of Nick's CIS by Ron Micjan - very good article. I dive with Nick and Mark, who both dive CIS and a lot of the features on the CIS are present in Boris - which you'd expect, I guess, given the amount of time that Kevin spent with Bill Stone and the mark iv/v design. Still some really good stuff on the CIS which is just not available any more, mostly the hydrophobic can and the gas block, but I think Boris is pretty close. I've got an 80% finished review/contrast with inspo on my pc, if anyone's interested I could finish it off and ask one of the administrators to post it. Martin
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13th December 2005, 21:56	#9 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,281	Re: HUD's Martin, thanks for the offer. I certainly am intrested, I'm sure others are. The Inspiration is a well known entity, the Ouroboros much less so. For publication best contact louby-lou who administers the library. __________________ Cheers Stefan Be Water, My Friend - Bruce Lee Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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13th December 2005, 22:11	#10 (permalink)
*Louby Lou* Slave to an MSc Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Roman Corinium! Posts: 1,016	Re: HUD's Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Martin, thanks for the offer. I certainly am intrested, I'm sure others are. The Inspiration is a well known entity, the Ouroboros much less so. For publication best contact louby-lou who administers the library. And if by magic, I appear...... Thanks Stefan Martin We would love to publish your article in the library section of Rebreather World. I am in the process of uploading and formatting the articles from the old site but would really like to put your article up as soon as; if you would like us too? Just drop me a PM and I'll let you know my email address and what is the best way to send it etc... Thanks Lou PS: Sorry for the thread hi-jack __________________ Miss Lou x Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreatherworld Terms and Conditions - Please read! Outlaw Divers - Sssh we're diving! You heff vays uff dealink vis zem, oh Miss Rebreather World Admin! - Rob Davie Feb 06
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