Evo anyone in SE UK ?

colinicky · 17th November 2005, 17:23

Has anyone in the southeast got an evo that they would be prepared to let me have a go on ? the reason for this is that I am getting different answers from different people as to the amount of lead neaded in comparrison to the inspo even to getting different answers from ap !

so the only way would seam to be try one all i need is to do a weight check in leybourne /wraysbury & i will know the answer to my problem!
The thing is I did my mod 1 on the inspo & know that I need 9kg ,Ishould have my new unit by the end of the year if I make up my mind which I want but 5k is a lot of money to spend & then wish I'd bought the other one

Please help

UKSteve · 17th November 2005, 18:31

Colin,

Reading your post it would seem that the amount of lead required is the only criteria you have for choosing one from the other ...I'm sure that I'm mistaken!!

I went for an Inspiration with Vision elecs and did my course with two Evos. I have to say I'm glad I went for the inspiration...its a lot longer and suits me more when kitting up (6ft 2" tall). I'm sure I'll attract flaming but I instinctively feel more comfortable with a 3 litre diluent cylinder rather than 2 litre... however I am still a total beginner.

Certainly feel that I can find the cylinder valves more easily and repeatedly with the longer bottles (I can scratch my ass more easily than my kidneys!!) but again thats probably just a matter of practise.

The trim in the water has proved to be a real pleasure...effortless (well most of the time

)

It is certainly not so air-portable as the Evo but I hope to solve that problem c/o Phi's new travel frame

. Cannot imagine travelling by air with the cylinders too.

I'm not sure that the extra scrubber life will be an issue for me for the forseeable future...especially with the scrubber monitor.

Regards

Steve

***Louby Lou*** · 17th November 2005, 18:46

Colin

Just my 2p worth

I was going to go for the Evo, being only 5ft it made some sense to go for the smaller unit. However; a number of people commented about the weight issue and advised that maybe the Inspo would give me more benefit in that area

If weight is a major factor in your decision, it might be worth checking Stuart's Guide to Weight. It does work, I lost 10kg pounds on Stuart's diet

**Simon TW** · 17th November 2005, 19:01

I'd perfer the inspiration if i had to pick one. The evo is fine if you weight it right, I found it top heavy and needed to sort the weight in order to take the strain off my lower back.

The cylinder size is only an issue if your doing long deep dives.

If you want to try one it's in Yorkshire.

colinicky · 17th November 2005, 20:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve)

Colin,

Reading your post it would seem that the amount of lead required is the only criteria you have for choosing one from the other ...I'm sure that I'm mistaken!!

Nope your dead right as it happens !
The 2 reasons I considered ccr in the first place was 1st & most important was getting weight of my back compared to my twins & 2nd was the fact that we lost our local dive shop & driving 1hr each way + 2 hours sitting around waiting was not fun now even if I buy spare cylinders for the evo it isn't a prob but the weight is .
some people have said that they require less lead on the evo than on an inspo due to less bouyancy with smaller cylinders & scrubber other have said they need more some alot more !

UKSteve · 18th November 2005, 04:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by Simon TW)

The cylinder size is only an issue if your doing long deep dives.

At the risk of going off-subject (and if so feel free to drop this into another thread) ....actually I think that the onboard diluent cylinder size might be more significant on long shallower dives.... because these are the ones where you may be less inclined to carry off-board bail-out/diluent. While you should not be using significant amounts of diluent on a nice square profile dive unless you are doing a load of drills with dil flushes and bailing off and back onto the loop, if you are in the 15 - 25m range the it is possible to burn through diluent if you are, for instance, drifting along on an undulating bottom and having to make adjustments to your loop volume.

On my Mod 1 course, the two Evo users found it was pretty tight at the end of a hour long dive - with a number of drills - to perform an open circuit bail-out ascent from 20m using the 2 litre on-board diluent cylinder. Admittedly they had also shot DSMBs using their Air IIs (whereas I used my Buddy DSMB with mini bottle).

Dunno if its been done already but might make an interesting subject of a survey to see what kind of dives people will do without carrying off-board bailout.

Very conscious of my "amateur" status so happy to receive contructive critisism!!

Steve

colinicky · 18th November 2005, 06:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve)

Dunno if its been done already but might make an interesting subject of a survey to see what kind of dives people will do without carrying off-board bailout.

Very conscious of my "amateur" status so happy to receive contructive critisism!!

Good point but it depends on how much you trust the unit ,I seem to remember that one of the magazine writers said that " Mad Mike" (his words ) at AP had been diving a prototype with 1L cylinders to 100 metres with no bail out !

On the second point when I reach " amateur " status can someone tell me ?

John Speers · 18th November 2005, 10:24

Hi Colnicky,

I did the Mod 1 with UKSteve and my mate, we both had the Evos (with V30 Trimix software, no problems so far,,) and thoroughly enjoyed the force 8 gales and 25cm viz that we had on that particular week!

All in all, the unit performed well and did all the right things when we wanted it to, apart from my mates handset freezing on one occasion, but that's a story for another day.

I'm using about 10Kg of lead in a compressed neoprene dry suit and my mate's using 6Kg in a membrane.

Yes, we did a lot of drills and flushes at 20 meters and must have dil flushed the bugger down for 5 minutes at one stage, bailed out at 20M OC and got to 6 M, back on the loop and still had 100 bar on the 2L dil from 180 bar starting pressure.

In my own personal opinion, If I was diving deeper that 30 M on it, I certainly wouldn't be relying on the 2L Dil cylinder to get me out of trouble, but having said that, I recently completed a 40 meter dive with no bail out at all, but that was my decision. Normally I have a side slung 3 liter on.

Anyway, I think that we all love our own units in our own particular way (oh err!) and lets face it, after spending all that wonga, you certainly don't want to feel that you have made the wrong decision!

Looking forward to next year and the Mod 2/3 (plus some decent diving on it, of course.)

TTFN

colinicky · 18th November 2005, 10:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by John Speers)

Hi Colnicky,

I'm using about 10Kg of lead in a compressed neoprene dry suit and my mate's using 6Kg in a membrane.

This is my point I use 9kg on an inspo with membrane ,which is why if I can try an evo (hint hint ) or (BIGGER HINT HINT) & find I only need 6kg with the evo then with the evo being 10kg lighter to start with ,I then end up 13kg lighter than with the inspo which is already 19 kg lighter than my twinset rig ! Then I would be a very happy bunny indeed

& more importantly so will my back which means less trips to the osteopath & more money for diving

John Speers · 18th November 2005, 10:41

So, where are you living at the moment?

Been to Leyborne but that was cr*p, not enough depth for proper drills. Might consider Wrasbury next if I can get my mate to give me a lift.

17th November 2005, 17:23	#1 (permalink)
colinicky Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 650	Evo anyone in SE UK ? Has anyone in the southeast got an evo that they would be prepared to let me have a go on ? the reason for this is that I am getting different answers from different people as to the amount of lead neaded in comparrison to the inspo even to getting different answers from ap ! so the only way would seam to be try one all i need is to do a weight check in leybourne /wraysbury & i will know the answer to my problem! The thing is I did my mod 1 on the inspo & know that I need 9kg ,Ishould have my new unit by the end of the year if I make up my mind which I want but 5k is a lot of money to spend & then wish I'd bought the other one Please help __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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17th November 2005, 18:31	#2 (permalink)
UKSteve Still a novice... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 557	Re: Evo anyone in SE UK ? Colin, Reading your post it would seem that the amount of lead required is the only criteria you have for choosing one from the other ...I'm sure that I'm mistaken!! I went for an Inspiration with Vision elecs and did my course with two Evos. I have to say I'm glad I went for the inspiration...its a lot longer and suits me more when kitting up (6ft 2" tall). I'm sure I'll attract flaming but I instinctively feel more comfortable with a 3 litre diluent cylinder rather than 2 litre... however I am still a total beginner. Certainly feel that I can find the cylinder valves more easily and repeatedly with the longer bottles (I can scratch my ass more easily than my kidneys!!) but again thats probably just a matter of practise. The trim in the water has proved to be a real pleasure...effortless (well most of the time ) It is certainly not so air-portable as the Evo but I hope to solve that problem c/o Phi's new travel frame . Cannot imagine travelling by air with the cylinders too. I'm not sure that the extra scrubber life will be an issue for me for the forseeable future...especially with the scrubber monitor. Regards Steve
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17th November 2005, 18:46	#3 (permalink)
*Louby Lou* Slave to an MSc Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Roman Corinium! Posts: 1,016	Re: Evo anyone in SE UK ? Colin Just my 2p worth I was going to go for the Evo, being only 5ft it made some sense to go for the smaller unit. However; a number of people commented about the weight issue and advised that maybe the Inspo would give me more benefit in that area If weight is a major factor in your decision, it might be worth checking Stuart's Guide to Weight. It does work, I lost 10kg pounds on Stuart's diet __________________ Miss Lou x Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreatherworld Terms and Conditions - Please read! Outlaw Divers - Sssh we're diving! You heff vays uff dealink vis zem, oh Miss Rebreather World Admin! - Rob Davie Feb 06
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17th November 2005, 19:01	#4 (permalink)
Simon TW Martini Diver Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hurghada (Egypt) and Lancaster (England) Posts: 152	Re: Evo anyone in SE UK ? I'd perfer the inspiration if i had to pick one. The evo is fine if you weight it right, I found it top heavy and needed to sort the weight in order to take the strain off my lower back. The cylinder size is only an issue if your doing long deep dives. If you want to try one it's in Yorkshire.
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17th November 2005, 20:08	#5 (permalink)
colinicky Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 650	Re: Evo anyone in SE UK ? Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve) Colin, Reading your post it would seem that the amount of lead required is the only criteria you have for choosing one from the other ...I'm sure that I'm mistaken!! Nope your dead right as it happens ! The 2 reasons I considered ccr in the first place was 1st & most important was getting weight of my back compared to my twins & 2nd was the fact that we lost our local dive shop & driving 1hr each way + 2 hours sitting around waiting was not fun now even if I buy spare cylinders for the evo it isn't a prob but the weight is . some people have said that they require less lead on the evo than on an inspo due to less bouyancy with smaller cylinders & scrubber other have said they need more some alot more ! __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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18th November 2005, 04:16	#6 (permalink)
UKSteve Still a novice... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Weymouth, UK Posts: 557	Significance of diluent cylinder size Quote: (Originally Posted by Simon TW) The cylinder size is only an issue if your doing long deep dives. At the risk of going off-subject (and if so feel free to drop this into another thread) ....actually I think that the onboard diluent cylinder size might be more significant on long shallower dives.... because these are the ones where you may be less inclined to carry off-board bail-out/diluent. While you should not be using significant amounts of diluent on a nice square profile dive unless you are doing a load of drills with dil flushes and bailing off and back onto the loop, if you are in the 15 - 25m range the it is possible to burn through diluent if you are, for instance, drifting along on an undulating bottom and having to make adjustments to your loop volume. On my Mod 1 course, the two Evo users found it was pretty tight at the end of a hour long dive - with a number of drills - to perform an open circuit bail-out ascent from 20m using the 2 litre on-board diluent cylinder. Admittedly they had also shot DSMBs using their Air IIs (whereas I used my Buddy DSMB with mini bottle). Dunno if its been done already but might make an interesting subject of a survey to see what kind of dives people will do without carrying off-board bailout. Very conscious of my "amateur" status so happy to receive contructive critisism!! Steve
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18th November 2005, 06:04	#7 (permalink)
colinicky Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 650	Re: Significance of diluent cylinder size Quote: (Originally Posted by UKSteve) Dunno if its been done already but might make an interesting subject of a survey to see what kind of dives people will do without carrying off-board bailout. Very conscious of my "amateur" status so happy to receive contructive critisism!! Good point but it depends on how much you trust the unit ,I seem to remember that one of the magazine writers said that " Mad Mike" (his words ) at AP had been diving a prototype with 1L cylinders to 100 metres with no bail out ! On the second point when I reach " amateur " status can someone tell me ? __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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18th November 2005, 10:24	#8 (permalink)
John Speers New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 19	Re: Evo anyone in SE UK ? Hi Colnicky, I did the Mod 1 with UKSteve and my mate, we both had the Evos (with V30 Trimix software, no problems so far,,) and thoroughly enjoyed the force 8 gales and 25cm viz that we had on that particular week! All in all, the unit performed well and did all the right things when we wanted it to, apart from my mates handset freezing on one occasion, but that's a story for another day. I'm using about 10Kg of lead in a compressed neoprene dry suit and my mate's using 6Kg in a membrane. Yes, we did a lot of drills and flushes at 20 meters and must have dil flushed the bugger down for 5 minutes at one stage, bailed out at 20M OC and got to 6 M, back on the loop and still had 100 bar on the 2L dil from 180 bar starting pressure. In my own personal opinion, If I was diving deeper that 30 M on it, I certainly wouldn't be relying on the 2L Dil cylinder to get me out of trouble, but having said that, I recently completed a 40 meter dive with no bail out at all, but that was my decision. Normally I have a side slung 3 liter on. Anyway, I think that we all love our own units in our own particular way (oh err!) and lets face it, after spending all that wonga, you certainly don't want to feel that you have made the wrong decision! Looking forward to next year and the Mod 2/3 (plus some decent diving on it, of course.) TTFN
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18th November 2005, 10:36	#9 (permalink)
colinicky Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 650	Re: Evo anyone in SE UK ? Quote: (Originally Posted by John Speers) Hi Colnicky, I'm using about 10Kg of lead in a compressed neoprene dry suit and my mate's using 6Kg in a membrane. This is my point I use 9kg on an inspo with membrane ,which is why if I can try an evo (hint hint ) or (BIGGER HINT HINT) & find I only need 6kg with the evo then with the evo being 10kg lighter to start with ,I then end up 13kg lighter than with the inspo which is already 19 kg lighter than my twinset rig ! Then I would be a very happy bunny indeed & more importantly so will my back which means less trips to the osteopath & more money for diving __________________ Colin I trust my rebreather completely , I just don't trust the user onwards & downwards
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18th November 2005, 10:41	#10 (permalink)
John Speers New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 19	Re: Evo anyone in SE UK ? So, where are you living at the moment? Been to Leyborne but that was cr*p, not enough depth for proper drills. Might consider Wrasbury next if I can get my mate to give me a lift.
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