OC bail out question

deepseamark · 1st November 2005, 17:19

Hi Guys

I do the training course and pick up my inspiration this weekend and I can't wait.

I want to pick your brains about OC bailout. How do you attach a pony cylinder to the actual Inspiration. I have a metal sub pony bracket and was hoping to use this but I'm not sure how to mount the bracket.
Can you add a second stage to the dilutant cylinder in the inspiration as well as having the air 2

Many Thanks in advance for your help

mark

Juz · 1st November 2005, 18:37

I mount a 3l off board pony to my Inspo with a metal sub bracket.

I use the velcro band of the dil tank and use the part of the bracket WITHOUT the button. Undo the band, and take it back through the bracket - the bracket just fits neatly up against the clips.

The other part of the bracket, WITH the button is cam banded to the pony.

Make sure the velcro band has weight retainers inside the box so that if the velcro comes undone you still wont lose your pony - it'll flop about but you wont lose it. This has never happened to me yet tho, just make sure the velcro is done up properly.

Juz

**JPJones** · 1st November 2005, 20:56

I would contact my Instructor and see what he or she wants. I rig mine like a standard stage bottle.

RonMicjan · 1st November 2005, 23:13

I agree with JP on asking your instructor and hope that they suggest carrying it clipped to your harness in the front, sling or stage style. Couple reasons, one, you can get to the valve, gauge and 2nd stage and know what you are handling (not confusing it with your onboard gas supply),two, you can hand off the entire system to another diver who may need it, swapping with one they have used part of, so each diver would still have some gas left if they had a failure also. Me personally i have been known to remove my Rebreather and sneak into a hole in a wreck with just my stage bottle, hard to do with it mounted to your RB.
my thoughts...

Drmike · 2nd November 2005, 00:59

I agree with previous 2 posters - normal slinging on the side has lots of advantages.

I cant think of any advantages of clipping it to the side of the unit - maybe others can suggest some.

MikeH · 2nd November 2005, 01:06

I am in the process of setting up a system for my Meg that would allow me to NOT carry external bailout on the majority of the dives I will use the unit for. The exception would be deco gas, which would be dropped at the entrance to the cave(99%+ of the dives I do are cave). Once I finally get it all rigged up and tested out, I will post a detailed explanation/teardown of the unit.

For those of you thinking it...this is NOT a setup using a BOB.

Mike

**JPJones** · 2nd November 2005, 03:21

Quote: (Originally Posted by MikeH)

I am in the process of setting up a system for my Meg that would allow me to NOT carry external bailout on the majority of the dives I will use the unit for. The exception would be deco gas, which would be dropped at the entrance to the cave(99%+ of the dives I do are cave). Once I finally get it all rigged up and tested out, I will post a detailed explanation/teardown of the unit.

For those of you thinking it...this is NOT a setup using a BOB.

Mike

Mike, how do you plan on sharing bailout gas with your buddy?

Deep Thought · 2nd November 2005, 05:54

I've been on dives with people who mount a small pony on the shell / side of an inspiration with slide clips (not usually larger than 3 lt), be considerate of the position for trim and profile. Typical instalation has been just behind shoulder blade on dil side / dil. If you dive dry suit you may want to save this space, and mount option for a drysuit gas other than onboard.

If you dive deep you will need a larger quantity of offboard gas than you would want to mount hard to the rig, sling would be better option.

Personally I prefer stage for reasons already stated in above posts...

Not a fan of adding 2nd stage to dil regulator, as long as you already have a air2 you already have the option of breathing this gas oc, plus open loop if you have a adv... Too many redundant options leads to confusion, keep it clean. Save the dil onboard for flushes and bail out until you can get to your off board, then carry additional gas as necessary for profile.

enjoy training!

MikeH · 2nd November 2005, 14:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones)

Mike, how do you plan on sharing bailout gas with your buddy?

Long hose.

Mike

***schford*** · 2nd November 2005, 15:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by MikeH)

Long hose.

Mike

Would you be running that from a larger on board dil cylinder?

My only concern would be what to do in the event of a first stage problem and that cylinder.

Personally I really like an independant bailout system.....shame it's not a BOB!

Stuart

1st November 2005, 17:19	#1 (permalink)
deepseamark New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: england yorkshire Posts: 4	OC bail out question Hi Guys I do the training course and pick up my inspiration this weekend and I can't wait. I want to pick your brains about OC bailout. How do you attach a pony cylinder to the actual Inspiration. I have a metal sub pony bracket and was hoping to use this but I'm not sure how to mount the bracket. Can you add a second stage to the dilutant cylinder in the inspiration as well as having the air 2 Many Thanks in advance for your help mark
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1st November 2005, 18:37	#2 (permalink)
Juz Team Kinky Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 146	Re: OC bail out question I mount a 3l off board pony to my Inspo with a metal sub bracket. I use the velcro band of the dil tank and use the part of the bracket WITHOUT the button. Undo the band, and take it back through the bracket - the bracket just fits neatly up against the clips. The other part of the bracket, WITH the button is cam banded to the pony. Make sure the velcro band has weight retainers inside the box so that if the velcro comes undone you still wont lose your pony - it'll flop about but you wont lose it. This has never happened to me yet tho, just make sure the velcro is done up properly. Juz __________________ ~KINKY DIVERS~ Because going down is fun We are all prompted by the same motives, all deceived by the same fallacies, all animated by hope, obstructed by danger, entangled by desire and seduced by pleasure. Welcome to Kinky Divers!
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1st November 2005, 20:56	#3 (permalink)
JPJones O2ptima Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 367	Re: OC bail out question I would contact my Instructor and see what he or she wants. I rig mine like a standard stage bottle. __________________ NSS/CDS Training Chairman www.jpjscuba.com
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1st November 2005, 23:13	#4 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,082	Re: OC bail out question I agree with JP on asking your instructor and hope that they suggest carrying it clipped to your harness in the front, sling or stage style. Couple reasons, one, you can get to the valve, gauge and 2nd stage and know what you are handling (not confusing it with your onboard gas supply),two, you can hand off the entire system to another diver who may need it, swapping with one they have used part of, so each diver would still have some gas left if they had a failure also. Me personally i have been known to remove my Rebreather and sneak into a hole in a wreck with just my stage bottle, hard to do with it mounted to your RB. my thoughts... __________________ Ron "Life is pain princess, anyone who tells you different, is selling something", The Dread Pirate Wesley. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc.
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2nd November 2005, 00:59	#5 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,128	Re: OC bail out question I agree with previous 2 posters - normal slinging on the side has lots of advantages. I cant think of any advantages of clipping it to the side of the unit - maybe others can suggest some. __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you
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2nd November 2005, 01:06	#6 (permalink)
MikeH Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL USA Posts: 178	Re: OC bail out question I am in the process of setting up a system for my Meg that would allow me to NOT carry external bailout on the majority of the dives I will use the unit for. The exception would be deco gas, which would be dropped at the entrance to the cave(99%+ of the dives I do are cave). Once I finally get it all rigged up and tested out, I will post a detailed explanation/teardown of the unit. For those of you thinking it...this is NOT a setup using a BOB. Mike
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2nd November 2005, 03:21	#7 (permalink)
JPJones O2ptima Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 367	Re: OC bail out question Quote: (Originally Posted by MikeH) I am in the process of setting up a system for my Meg that would allow me to NOT carry external bailout on the majority of the dives I will use the unit for. The exception would be deco gas, which would be dropped at the entrance to the cave(99%+ of the dives I do are cave). Once I finally get it all rigged up and tested out, I will post a detailed explanation/teardown of the unit. For those of you thinking it...this is NOT a setup using a BOB. Mike Mike, how do you plan on sharing bailout gas with your buddy? __________________ NSS/CDS Training Chairman www.jpjscuba.com
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2nd November 2005, 05:54	#8 (permalink)
Deep Thought Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 190	Re: OC bail out question I've been on dives with people who mount a small pony on the shell / side of an inspiration with slide clips (not usually larger than 3 lt), be considerate of the position for trim and profile. Typical instalation has been just behind shoulder blade on dil side / dil. If you dive dry suit you may want to save this space, and mount option for a drysuit gas other than onboard. If you dive deep you will need a larger quantity of offboard gas than you would want to mount hard to the rig, sling would be better option. Personally I prefer stage for reasons already stated in above posts... Not a fan of adding 2nd stage to dil regulator, as long as you already have a air2 you already have the option of breathing this gas oc, plus open loop if you have a adv... Too many redundant options leads to confusion, keep it clean. Save the dil onboard for flushes and bail out until you can get to your off board, then carry additional gas as necessary for profile. enjoy training!
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2nd November 2005, 14:30	#9 (permalink)
MikeH Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL USA Posts: 178	Re: OC bail out question Quote: (Originally Posted by JPJones) Mike, how do you plan on sharing bailout gas with your buddy? Long hose. Mike
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2nd November 2005, 15:19	#10 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,662	Re: OC bail out question Quote: (Originally Posted by MikeH) Long hose. Mike Would you be running that from a larger on board dil cylinder? My only concern would be what to do in the event of a first stage problem and that cylinder. Personally I really like an independant bailout system.....shame it's not a BOB! Stuart
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