Submatix rebreathers

jondive · 10th October 2005, 17:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rod Baverstock)

. Actually he has been very helpful and is arranging for me to borrow a unit to go on the course in France .

Rod

Hi Rod

If your off to France I guess your off to see Penny (Mrs Rebreather). I did the course with her at NDC last December, 4 degrees C!) Shes great and you should enjoy the experience. I'd never touched a rebreather before the course and dispite completing the exam at gone midnight in the pub I've managed to stay safe this past year. I put this down to her. Please say Hi for me. Shes some trainer

!

silentscuba · 10th October 2005, 17:35

At DEMA they had a SCR and a CCR with a "KISS" style flow valve. The SCR can be easily converted to a CCR for about $600. We brought back the SCR with us from DEMA and will be converting to CCR in a few weeks. Mel is writing the TDI Training Manuals for both units. Will let you know how it works out.

Sincerely,

Curt

Deep Thought · 13th October 2005, 16:49

Questions:

Is the "KISS" style flow valve a factory product, or aftermarket?

The unit on display showed two cylinders, in nitrox mode is one cylinder dedicated to bailout?

How soon will you be posting a write up on the features?

ron

silentscuba · 13th October 2005, 19:44

The KISS Style valve on the CCR is factory. On the SCR both bottles are tied together (I think) and are Nitrox. On the CCR, one bottle is the Diluent and bailout and the other O2. More information coming as it is aquired.

Sincerely,

Curt

scubagrunt · 14th October 2005, 04:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought)

Questions:

Is the "KISS" style flow valve a factory product, or aftermarket?

The unit on display showed two cylinders, in nitrox mode is one cylinder dedicated to bailout?

How soon will you be posting a write up on the features?

ron

Hey there deep thought!

The Submatix has 3 units and they are working on a fourth unit. The current available units are the SCR 100 ST, SCR 100 XT and the CCR 100 SMS. The SCR 100 ST is a CE approved SCR. It has two nitrox cylinders; the two first stages are connected by a low pressure "bridge". What this means is the gas from the two cylinders is flowing into the loop. This unit is not meant to have different nitrox mixes in the cylinders, the same mix in both cylinders. There is a bail out reg off the cylinder, and like a KISS unit this bailout reg is for a couple sanity breaths only while you deploy your off board bailout. This unit is a mass flow SCR. Then the SCR 100 XT is like the azimuth. It has two nitrox cylinders with different mixes in them. The mixes are controlled by a gas flow "block" allowing the diver to have either two different bottom mixes for a multi level dive or a more enriched mix in one cylinder to increase off gassing at shallower depths. This unit is also a mass flow SCR. Finally the CCR 100 SMS, is a manual fully closed circuit rebreather. Like the KISS it has a constant flow of O2 into the loop which can be preset by the diver to match their metabolic rate. It also has an O2 add valve for adjusting the PO2. Currently the unit only has one PPO2 sensor which the manufacture is going to offer a three sensor / display unit soon. The units are very sleek looking. Another nice feature is all units can be upgraded to a CCR very easily. The manufacture offers an upgrade kit. All you need to do is install the "blanking plug" on the O2 reg, add the PPO2 displays (if not already installed) and change some of the hose routing, and presto a CCR!!! Great idea for those who feel they need to do SCR before moving to CCR (why? I have no idea!!!)

The fourth rebreather they are working on but is not available yet is a CCR with a completely separate BOB (bail out rebreather) all in one. They say this new CCR will be slightly bigger but not much. I look forward to this!

Hope this helps! I have a SCR 100 ST which will be a CCR 100 SMS very very soon! If you want to see one send me a PM.

jondive · 14th October 2005, 07:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt)

Hope this helps! I have a SCR 100 ST which will be a CCR 100 SMS very very soon! .

Hi

Can you tell me what they retail for (ST) in the US excluding training

scubagrunt · 14th October 2005, 14:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by jondive)

Hi

Can you tell me what they retail for (ST) in the US excluding training

i can only guess, as there is no retailer in the US. but the SCR 100 ST unit sells for 2595 pounds in britian here is the link http://www.abyssuk.com/products/prod...bcatcode=SMSCR
i am working with the manufacture to set up a US distribution. PM me if you want more details.

Deep Thought · 18th October 2005, 14:04

What sensor is the display using?

Yes the unit is sleek looking, how does it feel in the water, meaning what type of harness are you diving the unit with?

Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt)

Hey there deep thought!

The Submatix has 3 units and they are working on a fourth unit. The current available units are the SCR 100 ST, SCR 100 XT and the CCR 100 SMS. The SCR 100 ST is a CE approved SCR. It has two nitrox cylinders; the two first stages are connected by a low pressure "bridge". What this means is the gas from the two cylinders is flowing into the loop. This unit is not meant to have different nitrox mixes in the cylinders, the same mix in both cylinders. There is a bail out reg off the cylinder, and like a KISS unit this bailout reg is for a couple sanity breaths only while you deploy your off board bailout. This unit is a mass flow SCR. Then the SCR 100 XT is like the azimuth. It has two nitrox cylinders with different mixes in them. The mixes are controlled by a gas flow "block" allowing the diver to have either two different bottom mixes for a multi level dive or a more enriched mix in one cylinder to increase off gassing at shallower depths. This unit is also a mass flow SCR. Finally the CCR 100 SMS, is a manual fully closed circuit rebreather. Like the KISS it has a constant flow of O2 into the loop which can be preset by the diver to match their metabolic rate. It also has an O2 add valve for adjusting the PO2. Currently the unit only has one PPO2 sensor which the manufacture is going to offer a three sensor / display unit soon. The units are very sleek looking. Another nice feature is all units can be upgraded to a CCR very easily. The manufacture offers an upgrade kit. All you need to do is install the "blanking plug" on the O2 reg, add the PPO2 displays (if not already installed) and change some of the hose routing, and presto a CCR!!! Great idea for those who feel they need to do SCR before moving to CCR (why? I have no idea!!!)

The fourth rebreather they are working on but is not available yet is a CCR with a completely separate BOB (bail out rebreather) all in one. They say this new CCR will be slightly bigger but not much. I look forward to this!

Hope this helps! I have a SCR 100 ST which will be a CCR 100 SMS very very soon! If you want to see one send me a PM.

decoweenie · 18th October 2005, 16:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt)

...the SCR 100 ST unit sells for 2595 pounds in britian...

Should be able to get a second-hand Inspiration or CK or new SK for that price...

db8us · 19th October 2005, 11:41

Watch out for their new channel-crossing record :-)

10th October 2005, 17:17	#21 (permalink)
jondive New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Diss Norfolk Engalnd Posts: 37	Quote: (Originally Posted by Rod Baverstock) . Actually he has been very helpful and is arranging for me to borrow a unit to go on the course in France . Rod Hi Rod If your off to France I guess your off to see Penny (Mrs Rebreather). I did the course with her at NDC last December, 4 degrees C!) Shes great and you should enjoy the experience. I'd never touched a rebreather before the course and dispite completing the exam at gone midnight in the pub I've managed to stay safe this past year. I put this down to her. Please say Hi for me. Shes some trainer !
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10th October 2005, 17:35	#22 (permalink)
silentscuba rEvo CCR Driver Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic rEvo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mill Creek, WA USA Posts: 587	Submatix At DEMA they had a SCR and a CCR with a "KISS" style flow valve. The SCR can be easily converted to a CCR for about $600. We brought back the SCR with us from DEMA and will be converting to CCR in a few weeks. Mel is writing the TDI Training Manuals for both units. Will let you know how it works out. Sincerely, Curt __________________ Curt McNamee rEvo CCR Diver KISS CCR Diver www.silentscuba.com
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13th October 2005, 16:49	#23 (permalink)
Deep Thought Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 190	Questions: Is the "KISS" style flow valve a factory product, or aftermarket? The unit on display showed two cylinders, in nitrox mode is one cylinder dedicated to bailout? How soon will you be posting a write up on the features? ron
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13th October 2005, 19:44	#24 (permalink)
silentscuba rEvo CCR Driver Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic rEvo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mill Creek, WA USA Posts: 587	Submatix The KISS Style valve on the CCR is factory. On the SCR both bottles are tied together (I think) and are Nitrox. On the CCR, one bottle is the Diluent and bailout and the other O2. More information coming as it is aquired. Sincerely, Curt __________________ Curt McNamee rEvo CCR Diver KISS CCR Diver www.silentscuba.com
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14th October 2005, 04:57	#25 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 430	submatix Quote: (Originally Posted by Deep Thought) Questions: Is the "KISS" style flow valve a factory product, or aftermarket? The unit on display showed two cylinders, in nitrox mode is one cylinder dedicated to bailout? How soon will you be posting a write up on the features? ron Hey there deep thought! The Submatix has 3 units and they are working on a fourth unit. The current available units are the SCR 100 ST, SCR 100 XT and the CCR 100 SMS. The SCR 100 ST is a CE approved SCR. It has two nitrox cylinders; the two first stages are connected by a low pressure "bridge". What this means is the gas from the two cylinders is flowing into the loop. This unit is not meant to have different nitrox mixes in the cylinders, the same mix in both cylinders. There is a bail out reg off the cylinder, and like a KISS unit this bailout reg is for a couple sanity breaths only while you deploy your off board bailout. This unit is a mass flow SCR. Then the SCR 100 XT is like the azimuth. It has two nitrox cylinders with different mixes in them. The mixes are controlled by a gas flow "block" allowing the diver to have either two different bottom mixes for a multi level dive or a more enriched mix in one cylinder to increase off gassing at shallower depths. This unit is also a mass flow SCR. Finally the CCR 100 SMS, is a manual fully closed circuit rebreather. Like the KISS it has a constant flow of O2 into the loop which can be preset by the diver to match their metabolic rate. It also has an O2 add valve for adjusting the PO2. Currently the unit only has one PPO2 sensor which the manufacture is going to offer a three sensor / display unit soon. The units are very sleek looking. Another nice feature is all units can be upgraded to a CCR very easily. The manufacture offers an upgrade kit. All you need to do is install the "blanking plug" on the O2 reg, add the PPO2 displays (if not already installed) and change some of the hose routing, and presto a CCR!!! Great idea for those who feel they need to do SCR before moving to CCR (why? I have no idea!!!) The fourth rebreather they are working on but is not available yet is a CCR with a completely separate BOB (bail out rebreather) all in one. They say this new CCR will be slightly bigger but not much. I look forward to this! Hope this helps! I have a SCR 100 ST which will be a CCR 100 SMS very very soon! If you want to see one send me a PM. __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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14th October 2005, 07:54	#26 (permalink)
jondive New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Diss Norfolk Engalnd Posts: 37	Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt) Hope this helps! I have a SCR 100 ST which will be a CCR 100 SMS very very soon! . Hi Can you tell me what they retail for (ST) in the US excluding training
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14th October 2005, 14:15	#27 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 430	Quote: (Originally Posted by jondive) Hi Can you tell me what they retail for (ST) in the US excluding training i can only guess, as there is no retailer in the US. but the SCR 100 ST unit sells for 2595 pounds in britian here is the link http://www.abyssuk.com/products/prod...bcatcode=SMSCR i am working with the manufacture to set up a US distribution. PM me if you want more details. __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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18th October 2005, 14:04	#28 (permalink)
Deep Thought Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 190	What sensor is the display using? Yes the unit is sleek looking, how does it feel in the water, meaning what type of harness are you diving the unit with? Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt) Hey there deep thought! The Submatix has 3 units and they are working on a fourth unit. The current available units are the SCR 100 ST, SCR 100 XT and the CCR 100 SMS. The SCR 100 ST is a CE approved SCR. It has two nitrox cylinders; the two first stages are connected by a low pressure "bridge". What this means is the gas from the two cylinders is flowing into the loop. This unit is not meant to have different nitrox mixes in the cylinders, the same mix in both cylinders. There is a bail out reg off the cylinder, and like a KISS unit this bailout reg is for a couple sanity breaths only while you deploy your off board bailout. This unit is a mass flow SCR. Then the SCR 100 XT is like the azimuth. It has two nitrox cylinders with different mixes in them. The mixes are controlled by a gas flow "block" allowing the diver to have either two different bottom mixes for a multi level dive or a more enriched mix in one cylinder to increase off gassing at shallower depths. This unit is also a mass flow SCR. Finally the CCR 100 SMS, is a manual fully closed circuit rebreather. Like the KISS it has a constant flow of O2 into the loop which can be preset by the diver to match their metabolic rate. It also has an O2 add valve for adjusting the PO2. Currently the unit only has one PPO2 sensor which the manufacture is going to offer a three sensor / display unit soon. The units are very sleek looking. Another nice feature is all units can be upgraded to a CCR very easily. The manufacture offers an upgrade kit. All you need to do is install the "blanking plug" on the O2 reg, add the PPO2 displays (if not already installed) and change some of the hose routing, and presto a CCR!!! Great idea for those who feel they need to do SCR before moving to CCR (why? I have no idea!!!) The fourth rebreather they are working on but is not available yet is a CCR with a completely separate BOB (bail out rebreather) all in one. They say this new CCR will be slightly bigger but not much. I look forward to this! Hope this helps! I have a SCR 100 ST which will be a CCR 100 SMS very very soon! If you want to see one send me a PM.
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18th October 2005, 16:02	#29 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Quote: (Originally Posted by scubagrunt) ...the SCR 100 ST unit sells for 2595 pounds in britian... Should be able to get a second-hand Inspiration or CK or new SK for that price... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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19th October 2005, 11:41	#30 (permalink)
db8us Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 227	Watch out for their new channel-crossing record :-)
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