A better ADV & shut off ?

colinicky · 27th September 2005, 20:53

Hi
Is there a better adv & shut off valve than that offered by ap on the inspo if so who's & were ? Just wondering as I need to tell them what I want before long

LukeN · 28th September 2005, 00:55

Zeagle do nice one as do http://www.omniswivel.com/products.html (used on the Meg)

Luke

Chris · 28th September 2005, 02:02

I am using the Zeagle Isolator valve on the PRISM, I tried an AP, and it just leaked

Zeagle one

Zeagle one is about half the size of the AP, I believe Apeks do the same as well.

Cheers
Chris

Drmike · 28th September 2005, 02:30

I think you will find all the shut off valve designs are the same (same concept of sliding o-ring) so there wont be any real difference between any of them.

I have an AP one and a Zeagle that Ive been using for over 2 years, neither have ever been serviced - both work fine. I preffer the AP one as it has a longer stroke which makes it easier to feel the position/use with gloves.

***jradomski*** · 28th September 2005, 03:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky)

Hi
Is there a better adv & shut off valve than that offered by ap on the inspo if so who's & were ? Just wondering as I need to tell them what I want before long

AP one leaks too easily.. The apeks one works better but needs routine rebuilds.. The most reliable one I have found are those sold by Oxycheq.. They have two versions. The original version that head a heavy barrel (a bit tight when used with the AP adv) and the slimline version..

another point to note the oxycheq version (manufactured by mj) works in a more logical manner, the isolator slid towards the device allows gas flow (think connect to source), operated away from desitination device cuts off gas flow (thing break connection)

***Beanie*** · 28th September 2005, 08:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

AP one leaks too easily.. The apeks one works better but needs routine rebuilds.. The most reliable one I have found are those sold by Oxycheq.. They have two versions. The original version that head a heavy barrel (a bit tight when used with the AP adv) and the slimline version..

another point to note the oxycheq version (manufactured by mj) works in a more logical manner, the isolator slid towards the device allows gas flow (think connect to source), operated away from desitination device cuts off gas flow (thing break connection)

Where as I go for pull towards to shut off cause thats the one I want to be able to do in a hurry.

The Apeks one doesn't fit the APD ADV, you need to go for a slimline one.

***jradomski*** · 28th September 2005, 08:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie)

Where as I go for pull towards to shut off cause thats the one I want to be able to do in a hurry.

The Apeks one doesn't fit the APD ADV, you need to go for a slimline one.

There is almost no need to ever "need to do in a hurry"..

The only only think I can think of is a catostropic failure during descent even that an be rectified by shutting down the dil (maybe even faster than sliding the swithch)..

I teach my student to shut the Adv off once they reach dept.. this way they have better control of the breathing bags volume.. Most emergency skills like running SCR can be done much more effectively using the manual inflators instead of the adv..

Phil · 28th September 2005, 13:50

I have been using an APEKS shut-off with AP ADV for the last 2 years without any problem. The only issue I can think off is that sometimes the groves on the APEKS handle get stuck in the T. I only need to lift up a little the APEKS and then I can slide it without problem.

***Beanie*** · 28th September 2005, 14:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by Phil)

I have been using an APEKS shut-off with AP ADV for the last 2 years without any problem. The only issue I can think off is that sometimes the groves on the APEKS handle get stuck in the T. I only need to lift up a little the APEKS and then I can slide it without problem.

that and it push the feed stem out from the ADV body.

well according to Mike at APD when he saw mine anyway

pchanning · 28th September 2005, 14:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

*snip* Most emergency skills like running SCR can be done much more effectively using the manual inflators instead of the adv..

unless one should have a Co2 hit, in which case breathing open loop might just be about all one can do. Saved Mikes life IIRC.

Just playing Devils Advocate Joe. I'm interested as I suffer the same problems as everyone else. Sometimes the ADV leaks and I try using the isolater (which sods law usually rings true and it wont work). This is only really noticable in the shallows as I realise that I'm bleeding through lots of gas. In this case I have to shut the pillar valve which is OK as I always have seperate suit inflation. If not, one would have to recover a partial runaway descent using o2. As I always dive dry with seperate suit inflation I dont suffer this circumstance so I dont know. Just an observation.

However on one of my first CC dives, I jumped in negative and the ADV isolater was on AND working. I fumbled like pig to get to it. I finally managed to hit the manual inflater at about 8m. Scared the crap out of me.

cheers

Paul

27th September 2005, 20:53	#1 (permalink)
colinicky Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: uk Posts: 661	A better ADV & shut off ? Hi Is there a better adv & shut off valve than that offered by ap on the inspo if so who's & were ? Just wondering as I need to tell them what I want before long
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28th September 2005, 00:55	#2 (permalink)
LukeN New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Prism Topaz Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia,West Aus Posts: 79	Zeagle do nice one as do http://www.omniswivel.com/products.html (used on the Meg) Luke
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28th September 2005, 02:02	#3 (permalink)
Chris Go Nude Or Go Home Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Prism Topaz Sport Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 601	I am using the Zeagle Isolator valve on the PRISM, I tried an AP, and it just leaked Zeagle one Zeagle one is about half the size of the AP, I believe Apeks do the same as well. Cheers Chris __________________ Megalodon Sorb and Sensors whilst in Australia www.divetub.com.au Diving & Photography @ www.uwphotog.com
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28th September 2005, 02:30	#4 (permalink)
Drmike Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,128	I think you will find all the shut off valve designs are the same (same concept of sliding o-ring) so there wont be any real difference between any of them. I have an AP one and a Zeagle that Ive been using for over 2 years, neither have ever been serviced - both work fine. I preffer the AP one as it has a longer stroke which makes it easier to feel the position/use with gloves. __________________ Get a girlfriend you sad twat - a Rebreather is an unfaithful mistress - dont blind yourself to her faults just because she goes down on you
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28th September 2005, 03:39	#5 (permalink)
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28th September 2005, 08:08	#6 (permalink)
*Beanie* Politeness officer Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,163	Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) AP one leaks too easily.. The apeks one works better but needs routine rebuilds.. The most reliable one I have found are those sold by Oxycheq.. They have two versions. The original version that head a heavy barrel (a bit tight when used with the AP adv) and the slimline version.. another point to note the oxycheq version (manufactured by mj) works in a more logical manner, the isolator slid towards the device allows gas flow (think connect to source), operated away from desitination device cuts off gas flow (thing break connection) Where as I go for pull towards to shut off cause thats the one I want to be able to do in a hurry. The Apeks one doesn't fit the APD ADV, you need to go for a slimline one. __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk www.divelife.co.uk
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28th September 2005, 08:43	#7 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,817	Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie) Where as I go for pull towards to shut off cause thats the one I want to be able to do in a hurry. The Apeks one doesn't fit the APD ADV, you need to go for a slimline one. There is almost no need to ever "need to do in a hurry".. The only only think I can think of is a catostropic failure during descent even that an be rectified by shutting down the dil (maybe even faster than sliding the swithch).. I teach my student to shut the Adv off once they reach dept.. this way they have better control of the breathing bags volume.. Most emergency skills like running SCR can be done much more effectively using the manual inflators instead of the adv.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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28th September 2005, 13:50	#8 (permalink)
Phil Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Ouroboros rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Geneva-Switzerland Posts: 170	I have been using an APEKS shut-off with AP ADV for the last 2 years without any problem. The only issue I can think off is that sometimes the groves on the APEKS handle get stuck in the T. I only need to lift up a little the APEKS and then I can slide it without problem. __________________ Phil __________________ CCR/OC Instructor CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com
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28th September 2005, 14:00	#9 (permalink)
*Beanie* Politeness officer Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,163	Quote: (Originally Posted by Phil) I have been using an APEKS shut-off with AP ADV for the last 2 years without any problem. The only issue I can think off is that sometimes the groves on the APEKS handle get stuck in the T. I only need to lift up a little the APEKS and then I can slide it without problem. that and it push the feed stem out from the ADV body. well according to Mike at APD when he saw mine anyway __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk www.divelife.co.uk
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28th September 2005, 14:04	#10 (permalink)
pchanning PFO free :) Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: fixed! Posts: 454	Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) snip Most emergency skills like running SCR can be done much more effectively using the manual inflators instead of the adv.. unless one should have a Co2 hit, in which case breathing open loop might just be about all one can do. Saved Mikes life IIRC. Just playing Devils Advocate Joe. I'm interested as I suffer the same problems as everyone else. Sometimes the ADV leaks and I try using the isolater (which sods law usually rings true and it wont work). This is only really noticable in the shallows as I realise that I'm bleeding through lots of gas. In this case I have to shut the pillar valve which is OK as I always have seperate suit inflation. If not, one would have to recover a partial runaway descent using o2. As I always dive dry with seperate suit inflation I dont suffer this circumstance so I dont know. Just an observation. However on one of my first CC dives, I jumped in negative and the ADV isolater was on AND working. I fumbled like pig to get to it. I finally managed to hit the manual inflater at about 8m. Scared the crap out of me. cheers Paul __________________ Cheers Paul The key to enlightenment... is survival.
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